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Garathorn the Brave
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| GW Economy for "normal" people!!! ;o))))) |
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Unlike a lot of people I've met through GW I am married, have a job and therefore only get to spend a few hours a week online. This means I can clock up around 3k per week in Gold collection.
I like the look of FOW armour but 1.5m is a bit too steep. I'm talking just over 3 years at my current gaming rate assuming I don't buy something else in the meantime! I can earn ฃ40/hour just fixing friends computers and I can buy the 'ingredients' for FOW armour off ebay for around the same as an hours work but this kinda defeats the object of the game and I'm sure it screws up the GW economy.
In my opinion FOW armour is only expensive because of the limit on how much gold a character can hold!!!
To get around the gold limit people now 'hoard' ecto and shards making them drop less and forcing the demand up. This effectively 'hikes' the value of the armour.
I suppose this has made the armour equivalent to 'diamond' jewellery in the real world...serves no greater purpose but looks nice. The real difference though is that diamonds come in a range of prices to suit all pockets. The nice stuff in GW is ALL too expensive for mere mortals like me to even think about buying.
Maybe it would be better if there were large cash rewards at the end of some of the key missions? Maybe 500k at the end of a complete campaign? Maybe the ecto and shards should be made like radioactive materials...decay away after 6 months in your inventory or have a negative effect on your characters health??? What does everyone else think?
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| 12/15/06 08:34 |
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Don't get me wrong i'm all for getting large cash rewards for missions, but would guild wars be as fun when everyones walking around with loadsa cash?
Rare items are dear because they are rare if everyone has cash to spend everyone would be walking around with these rare items. Personally i believe that money should be hard to get because at the end of the day you get more satisfaction for those rare items you buy with your hard earned cash.
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| 12/15/06 08:48 |
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| QUOTE | | Maybe 500k at the end of a complete campaign? |
Well thats a bit to much maybe but yeah i do agree stuff like that would be nice.. and thought about it sinds prophecies.. :)
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| 12/15/06 08:50 |
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I think that things are fine the way they are. The good thing about GW is that there is no difference in the cheapest and most expensive armors in terms of combat.
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| 12/15/06 08:58 |
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luckily im yet to see a fow armour i actually like for the price that it is.. so im just going around enjoying the game for what it is.. tbh i think everything is fine as it is.. Fow armour isnt a neccessity its a money sink. for people who have way to much money to spend it on...
all it really gains is the fact u can say "Look at me in FoW!" "i once had a lot of cash but now i spent it all on this" "isnt it great?" and to this i would reply.. "nah i think your silly, waste of money and the 1.5k stuff looks 10 times better imo"
but then this is what I think.. 1 person in millions.
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| 12/15/06 09:06 |
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Agreed Next.. i havent seen a FoW worth its money either.. And I think that most people not really but FoW for its prettyness but more because other people will think OOOoowooowwhh he has FoW.. they just wanna be ''looked at''. That doesnt mean they cant be nice people tho.. ;)
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| 12/15/06 09:11 |
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500k for end mission would indeed be a lot. And about FoW armor: I think some of them are pretty cool, but then still it's really expensive! Personally I'm going for primevil NF armor. It looks realy great for warrior imo. >Only 35k, 400 bones and 40 steel ignots to go =(
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| 12/15/06 09:21 |
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I like your idea about complete campaign rewards, but that wouldn't help the 'problem' of having 'rich' players, (those who own FoW armour, Crystalline swords etc,) and 'poor' players, (those who stand and beg for hours asking for 50g :P.) This is because, to put it plainly, the 'rich' poeple have really worked for that armour or sword... (deeming it kinda' unfair for all of their ectos/shards to suddenly disappear :P.) If the end of campaign reward was available, what would stop people just repeating the process numerous times? Wouldn't those who were rich before just work hard again and stay 'rich'? :P
Anyway, I do agree that some incentive should be available for certain missions etc. After saying all that, I could be wrong, but I don't think that there is any of removing the 'rich' and 'poor' segregation that is present is almost all MMORPGs. It's all down to luck and perseverance. :)
P.S. IMO FoW is too expensive. It's just a Ford Fiesta with a Ferrari badge! :P
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| 12/15/06 09:46 |
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| QUOTE | Personally I'm going for primevil NF armor. It looks realy great for warrior imo. >Only 35k, 400 bones and 40 steel ignots to go =(
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See this is exactly what i mean - people should work hard for their items its the way the game works, if u got 500k at the end of a campaign u wouldn't get so much dedication
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| 12/15/06 09:55 |
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| QUOTE | | Unlike a lot of people I've met through GW I am married, have a job and therefore only get to spend a few hours a week online. This means I can clock up around 3k per week in Gold collection. |
I too am a married guy, Ive got a 4 year old and a 10 month old. I work 8-6 and I have a mortgage.
But I can clock 3k in about 10 minutes when I try to. It can be done. I've found Kephket's Refuge farming very lucrative. It takes me 10 mins, I get about 2k in drops and ocassonally, a kephket's refuge or two in a run. The refuges are pretty sought after, as now everyone has 6-10 Talhkora's or whatever the prot hero's name is.
Im not saying farming is the way to go, im just saying that if money is what you are after, then it can be done within your (or my) time constraints.
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| 12/15/06 09:58 |
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| QUOTE | | .....and I can buy the 'ingredients' for FOW armour off ebay for around the same as an hours work but this kinda defeats the object of the game and I'm sure it screws up the GW economy. |
As well as that, it's against the EULA and ANet can block your account if they've had a bad day and are in a bad mood....
Personally I prefer the 15k armours to FoW stuff.....most of mine came from selling greens from trips into UW, which can easily fit into the amount of time you have to play each week (I'm in a similar position).
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| 12/15/06 10:56 |
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The Warrior Of Timi
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Maybe 500k at the end of a complete campaign? |
Well thats a bit to much maybe but yeah i do agree stuff like that would be nice.. and thought about it sinds prophecies.. :)
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| 12/15/06 11:03 |
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Park Warden
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Okay I seriously have to shake my head at this..just a lil bit anyways.
It is not seriously THAT hard to make coin in GW. You dont even have to have max armor, collectors armor works fine too.
When I firt started playing 17 months ago, I knew NO ONE in this game, so I had no one to beg. It was just me and my b/f. For about the first 6 months it was just the two of us in our own guild, and we played the game and did the annoying tedious quests. We also figured out fast what salvage kits do maybe because we know what the word "salvage means" and we tested it out. We started saving iron, and scales and other materials figuring..hmm if its in the game, we MUST need it for something. WOW..would you know, you need stuff like that for armor.
We also sold blue items unless they were better then what we were already using (which were all drops from monsters at this point while doing quests).
We did make some more experienced friends that showed us some areas, helped us do some quests, but we still used our own brains to figure the game out, and learnt..hey..sell the drops to the merchant, pick up all the gold..cool..money.
Later on we realise other ppl either too lazy or didnt know how to, were buying materials they needed for armor, so guess what we used to spend hours first farming for stuff and salvaging certain things, then we'd spend hours (over a period of months) selling them to other people. Below what the trader sold them for. It's a way to make money.
Then we started doing UW/FoW runs (and if you go with a full team its only 125 gold..affordable), did a lot of SF when it came out, sold greens if we didnt need them to others, we did tomb runs when it came out as well.
I can make 3K+ doing one tomb run, not to mention its free, takes about 45 mins with a good team, and you can get ecto, greens and sometimes good drops.
I dont have 12hrs/day to play this game, even when I am at home all day I STILL have things I have to get done..you know housework and supper and spending time with my daughter.
Yes FoW to me, even though I can afford it, is a waste, I am going for primevil armor for my paragon cause I think it looks really cool, but takes rubies and saphires which I wont buy, and dont drop a lot, but Im not in a rush for this.
So if you can only pull off about 3K per WEEK..you are seriously doing something wrong.
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| 12/15/06 11:23 |
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Well I have not problem with the way things are now but mainly cause I'm like some of the others in the fact I haven't seen a FOW armor that I like. I'm also married and with twin 2yr olds and work 10hrs a day. True it takes me longer than most to get that 15k armor I want but what all it boils down to is just the looks cause its actually no better than the 1.5k. I do see your point in that Anet says they focus on skill not time and I think they haven't done too bad at that though it could be improved a little. Yes the more time you spend the nicer looking armor and weapons you can get but those nicer looking things aren't any better than the other stuff, so as long as you got the skill you can still kick their butt even if they have better looking stuff.
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| 12/15/06 19:27 |
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If you got 500k for beating the game, ectos and shards would boot up to 100k+ each.
it's a player controlled economy.
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| 12/15/06 19:30 |
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| QUOTE | If you got 500k for beating the game, ectos and shards would boot up to 100k+ each.
it's a player controlled economy. |
That has got to be exactly right!
Another thing is that just pre NF I was seeing every other person in FoW armour simply because you could farm a dozen ectos a night between 2 people and as many shards alone. My FoW has lost its appeal a little now and I'm glad I've kept my 15k Bonelace since I might start wearing it again.
My first 15k set for my Warrior took me ages to save for through farming lvl 10 Minos outside the Ice Tooth Cave and a couple of good rune drops....and there's the secret!
As you play through you accumulate more than you realise, then you get a Black Dye or a good Rune and your gold goes up by 10k! In the later levels monsters drop 100g at a time but the real cash is in items, pick up EVERYTHING, identify colours and sell the lot.
UW is good if you can play it, I make about 2-3k from items and gold on a 2 man run, ectos are a bonus and rarely drop for me now. Tombs is a free UW and you can get ectos there, you also have a good chance of getting a gold chest item which could be worth a bundle, think of it as winning the lottery!
There is also a way to farm with almost every character so you could start making cash with a little expenditure and a lot of effort :p
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| 12/15/06 19:52 |
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| QUOTE | | In the later levels monsters drop 100g at a time but the real cash is in items, pick up EVERYTHING, identify colours and sell the lot. |
Identify all not just the colored items as later in the game you can even get more for a regular item identified than not when you merchant it. You can make money even though you have to buy the ID kits.
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| 12/15/06 20:02 |
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Belive me im not the greatest of money makers but even i can make 3K+ within an hour, i generally do this through running and farming.
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| 12/15/06 21:20 |
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well i must agree with you :) 500k is a lot but 50k would be fine imo. It is hard to make money for people who dont play 24/7 (like me). (and i know no one plays 24/7, i just said it to "enlarge"- if you know what i mean :) )
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| 12/15/06 21:31 |
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Players own the game atm. If everyone ran around with 500k in their pocket the prices would shoot up and make it like what it is now where you still need to make money to buy something, but the prices are just higher. As for FoW armor it's for show. I prefer for my warrior 15k glads over all the rest but i just change my helms from 15k ascalon to 15k platemail to 15k sunspear which gives the armor a totally different look.
quit gw for good. end of story.
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| 12/15/06 21:42 |
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In my oppinion there is onyl 1 fow armor worth it and that is rit. My rit sucks so there would really be no point in buying such retardedly expensive armor. You could try djiin farming thats pretty lucrative nowadays. But dude don't use ebay or anything else to get your money. It will make you feel very bad afterwards. I know from expirience(don't wanna talk about it)
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| 12/15/06 22:06 |
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To get around the gold limit people now 'hoard' ecto and shards making them drop less and forcing the demand up. |
The number of these that drop has no impact on additional drops. There is not a limit on the number that can be in circulation.
Therefore if people DID hoard ectos and shards, the price would actually go down due to an increased supply of these in existance.
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| 12/15/06 23:49 |
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wellll
couple of points
i can only play on weekends, tho to my wifes dismay, i do log a lot of hours during those 2 days and 3 nights.
re FoW, i used to pretty much thinkk it was a waste and out of reach, till I saw the ranger FoW... sooooo, literally worked my but off in tombs and some in FoW to accumulate the required crap... and finally got it
re primevel warrior armor... all I can say is
1) everyone has it
2) it's the ugliest dumbest looking crap i have seen (jmho) (and I am into vanity armors, cool armors, stuff that looks nice, but not that crap)
if the OP can only play a couple hours, then he's right, likely he wont be able to afford some of the stuff, unless he gets some lucky drops... OR, he farms hard. So at this point, you can make one of 3 choices,
play the game and enjoy, channlenge to get all your characters through
disregard the story/game and farm your a** off
go against the eula and the moral high ground and ebay the stuff (not recommended)
ooo, and nice sig Park Warden, but violates the size limits for the site... the horse looks great tho :)
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| 12/16/06 00:55 |
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| 12/16/06 00:55 |
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Basicly ditto what UC said lol. And ele FoW > ranger =p.
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| 12/16/06 01:12 |
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well me it took me 5 trips for my 15k cantha on monk and 3 trip for mesmer and you know what ...
never again,,, as many I dont like FOW that much ( except RIT)
as for 500k reward I think IMO it would throw a wrench in the economy of GW but this is just me
I enjoy gringing when I want something cause in the end I know even if it takes me a month or more that I did it and enjoy the outcome all the more
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| 12/16/06 01:13 |
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The Warrior Of Timi
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My ele is ready for solo UW ( didn't try it but il see what happens )
My ranger is ready for a spike team in the UW
My warrior can do chest runs
It has made me none profit but i o,ly did chest runs so
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| 12/16/06 01:32 |
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I know...how about if u got 60k for completing the game?
That way you could buy yourself a 15k armour set, looking cool, but it would not be enough to tempt people with too much time to play the game over and over....thus leaving the economy relatively stable....
cos seriously, you're nowhere near FoW with 60k but you can afford a 15k set....so while the price of certain crafting materials may rise slightly (steel etc.) Ectos and shards will not risee too much...
btw, I saw that shards were 2k each at the trader one day...so FoW is getting cheaper...
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| 12/16/06 04:15 |
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Lol... 500k at the end of every campain?!?!? Rofl, so now i should have about 1.5 Mil... and... omg, if you want 1.5 mil you have to slit your wrist in front of the screen... (and there is ppl with more money that that XD)
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| 12/16/06 06:21 |
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UCCat, thanks, he is my baby, even though I had to sell him this past summer. My big stallion that is like a lil puppy. Oh and its been rezied, and I checked it, its 243 for height. So hopefully no more pm's about it.
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