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jamesparmenter
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| Elites die in "low level" arenas |
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Although I saw no announcement in any of the updates I find that you now get a message in the "low level" arenas when you attempt to use an elite skill which informs you that it is not allowed... Oh well, so much for that.
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| 12/22/06 15:42 |
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odin60
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Kind of makes sense since they are "low level".
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| 12/22/06 15:44 |
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Big Boye
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Not having elites wouuld make it be alot more fair for the players that arent rich and cant afford runs to cap elite skills. And elite skills like life Transfer, Poison Arrow, and many others that I know I'm leaving out make it impossible to beat a team unless your team has a person or two with an elite. Should make Ascalon Arenas much for fun and fair for begginers and poorer people.
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| 12/22/06 16:36 |
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I have to disagree on the guy that posted above my post.
Cause MMORPG exist of playing together and compete against each other. People who play longer got a advantage. That's the whole meaning of a MMORPG. Allright in pvp everyone can make a nice character in less a day but u also need strategic. But in PVE people who got more money play longer and so got a advantage.
in short: I disagree because people who play longer should have a advantage
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| 12/22/06 16:54 |
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| QUOTE | I have to disagree on the guy that posted above my post.
Cause MMORPG exist of playing together and compete against each other. People who play longer got a advantage. That's the whole meaning of a MMORPG. Allright in pvp everyone can make a nice character in less a day but u also need strategic. But in PVE people who got more money play longer and so got a advantage.
in short: I disagree because people who play longer should have a advantage |
too bad this isnt an mmorpg huh?
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| 12/22/06 17:09 |
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| QUOTE | I have to disagree on the guy that posted above my post.
Cause MMORPG exist of playing together and compete against each other. People who play longer got a advantage. That's the whole meaning of a MMORPG. Allright in pvp everyone can make a nice character in less a day but u also need strategic. But in PVE people who got more money play longer and so got a advantage.
in short: I disagree because people who play longer should have a advantage |
Anet has said over and over again that they want this game to be about your skills as a player, not your hours played.
If you're a good player and you just get this game, Anet wants you to have the same chances as a player who's been playing since beta. Kinda simplified, but that's the basic idea.
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| 12/22/06 17:13 |
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Awe, but it was so much fun watching a lvl 24 Flesh Golem wipe out my entire team in seconds flat a couple weeks ago. ...Yeah right!
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| 12/22/06 18:03 |
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| QUOTE | | Not having elites wouuld make it be alot more fair for the players that arent rich and cant afford runs to cap elite skills. And elite skills like life Transfer, Poison Arrow, and many others that I know I'm leaving out make it impossible to beat a team unless your team has a person or two with an elite. Should make Ascalon Arenas much for fun and fair for begginers and poorer people. |
yeah and most elites have a non-elite version of the skill that's just a little weaker but it has a similar effect like apply poison/poison arrow, eviscerate/executioners/dismember and it isn't really fun just winning without a challenge 90% of the time except for faction+titles. =^_^=
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| 12/22/06 18:04 |
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Blaze furo
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haha, I remember how cool I felt when I capped grenth's balance on my low level monk last year at wintersday, and I brought it back to the ascalon arena. and yes, I did that wintersday quest with henchies, so I deserved that skill :D (but then I also remember fighting people in that arena with poison arrow and other elites...)
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| 12/22/06 18:22 |
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| QUOTE | I have to disagree on the guy that posted above my post.
Cause MMORPG exist of playing together and compete against each other. People who play longer got a advantage. That's the whole meaning of a MMORPG. Allright in pvp everyone can make a nice character in less a day but u also need strategic. But in PVE people who got more money play longer and so got a advantage.
in short: I disagree because people who play longer should have a advantage |
i completly disagree, lvls 1-10 shouldnt be slaughtered unfairly by a lvl 10 persay using an elite skill, ive found it so unfair before, no i dont know how but ive seen life sheath in ascalon arena, like i said, somone likes to travel or they have a great guild, they were lvl 10 warrior/monk
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| 12/22/06 19:06 |
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Brynden
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| QUOTE | I have to disagree on the guy that posted above my post.
Cause MMORPG exist of playing together and compete against each other. People who play longer got a advantage. That's the whole meaning of a MMORPG. Allright in pvp everyone can make a nice character in less a day but u also need strategic. But in PVE people who got more money play longer and so got a advantage.
in short: I disagree because people who play longer should have a advantage |
It seems to me like you are a bit confused. This is not referring to people who have a level 20 PvE character fighting in the high end arenas. It is referring to people who are below level 10 fighting in the low-level arenas like Ascalon Arena, Shing Jea Arena, and the Kamadan Arena. So anyone fighting in that arena has pretty much played that specific character about the same amount of time. There is absolutely no reason for a person who has put 2000 hours into his account to have an unfair disadvantage with his level 10 warrior than someone who has just started playing. In short, you are completely off-base. I am extremely glad they did this, since it used to really tick me off when I was fighting in the low-level arenas.
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| 12/22/06 20:01 |
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jamesparmenter
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Unfortunately, all this nerf does is readjust who has an unfair advantage not eliminate advantages.
In fact, at this time warrior elites and ranger elites still are functional, so those of you who hate poison arrow and eviserate are still in trouble.
Also, you can still wear uber armor, use max runes and cap a level 20 spider for the "low level" arenas... and people who run in a ritualist or dervish still have a huge advantage since those rarely had to bother with elites to be uber in the "low level" arenas before and the only people who could stop them were players with *surprise* elites like LT, MS and IW.
"Low level" was already enforced by the fact that only level 10 or below could enter - by nerfing elites it has just made these arenas useless for trying out builds that one might use in random or team arenas since the builds are now not only weaker (as they were before) but after this will have totally (or at least far) different skill sets.
The odd thing is that although I cruise Gameamp, Guru and about 8 other forums on a daily basis I don't recall ever having seen any complaints about the use of elites in the "low level" arenas and so I wonder why this non-issue was even addressed?
Wouldn't it make more sense for Anet to spend time addressing issues that have been brought up in the forums? Like say: increased storage, guild storage, making rez optional arenas to name a few...
Perhaps new arenas where elites are prohibited would be a possibility. Or elite optional arenas to go with or added to rez optional arenas...
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| 12/22/06 20:22 |
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Just a "history" note.
I remember -before Factions came out- when in order to get skills you had to either reach certain towns. Back then... well, at least at the beginning... nobody used elites and everyone had skills from presearing or post-searing Ascalon surrounding quests (since you couldn't buy certain skills from traders unless you reached certain parts of the game). That was a lot of fun, since all the fights in Ascalon tended to be much more ballanced (and i found particulary rewardful the fact that in order to get skills you had to do quests or advance in the game and not just buy them, the trader would offer only the skills you missed because you didn't want to do those quest in an area you left behind. Some others could ONLY be acquired by reaching certain "hidden" towns). After a while, the whole runners thing started to become polemic. Low levels started to get people to run them to high level areas to get skills, armor and elites that would give them an advantage over players who just happen to be in the right place at their levels. And these people started to farm Ascalon arena with a comprehensive advantage. After a little longer, and with Factions about to be released, the whole skill thing became an open market. Title system started back then, so even more people found rewardful to get run to Droknar to get an armor no one recently arrived from pre-searing could match and elites.
I haven't checked Ascalon arena ever since. According to some people's opinion (those I talked to back then that use to farm the arena this way), it shouldn't be penalized to do your best to get the best gear, weapons and skills for your character because that's what the competition in this game is all about.
Now things are the way they are now and I don't feel like ranting about it, but I personally disagree with that opinion. After all you were just getting run everywhere to get that advantage (whether you pay for it or not, I don't care). To that guy who said that about GW being a MMORPG, well, it's not that I just doubt it is, it is just that have a closer look to this game and compare it to any MMORPG. At least focus on Prophecies, which is the one with this arena. When I look at it I see a game with a storyline and with some sort of graduallity along the game that no other MMORPG I've tried had. And as it has been mentioned, it's been said by the developers many times that this game can be enjoyed for a player with little time just as much as for a player who sleeps on the keyboard all the same and tries to offer equal opportunities for both of them. It's been said that this is a game about ballance. So, if we want to obtain that ballance in Ascalon... do we have to say to all lvl 1-10 players that if they want to enjoy Ascalon arena they need to find someone to run them to Droknar? Do we have to tell the newbies and people with less time to play that they need to make a lot of money in order to pay a runner or two, even more money to get a full set of Droknar's armor, still more money for a high level weapon and yet more money to get elite skills and pay a guy to help them cap them?
Now don't get me wrong: Since Anet opened the skill market and didn't discorage -for instance- Droknar running (they even did the opossite), they basically said: That's ok for you to do that. So when I read the original post saying that now you get a message saying something like "oh, it's not very nice from you to use elite skills in Ascalon arena" I couldn't help it: I had to grin.
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EDIT: I just read the last post. Just to tell you: There WAS a lot of complaining (not to mention the arguments in the arena itself whenever someone with elites showed up!), the thing is that this issue was considered done with long ago :/
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| 12/22/06 20:43 |
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jamesparmenter
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I have to say again that this just changes the "advantage" and really does nothing to "level the playing field."
People will still get run somewhere (maybe only to LA or Denravi) to get better armor if they want it and are allowed to go there. People with higher level characters will still give better weapons to their "low level" characters and rangers that can afford it will still have level 20 spiders if they have them and want to do so. People with money will have Superior Vigor runes...
The only way to level the playing field would be to disallow any weapons, armor, skills, runes et cetera that could be obtained past Ascalon - then there would be a nice training arena for PvP in Ascalon for players level 10 or less - but I wonder who would bother to use an arena that trained you for nothing further in the game?
I used to like playing in AA and SA and to hone the skill sets I would later use in RA, TA, HoH, AB et al. But now I think I will mainly be making Factions characters to run up to level 20 asap since they will need to be that big to actually play in a non-crippled version of the game...
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| 12/22/06 21:08 |
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Well, I do think it was kind of silly that they would not completely disable elite skills in low-level arenas, it's probably just a glitch and soon warrior and ranger elites will not work either. I sure hope so.
First of all, there has been a lot of complaining around gameamp about this, it was discussed in several threads awhile back, and the community in general considered it cheating and was rather annoyed with it. If you are more active on guru, I'm not surprised that you see no complaining, it's the guru people that like to cheat like that. I say that from my own experience, when I was doing Ascalon arena with my monk, it was with a ranger who was completely obnoxious, and he had poison arrow, max armor, and a max bow. We completely owned a bunch of teams, and the entire time he and I were arguing about this, he was unable to understand how what he was doing could be considered cheating. And later I found out that he loved guildwarsguru. No surprises there.
Second of all, why the heck would you use Ascalon Arena to test builds? That seems kind of silly to me. Use Random Arenas to test out builds.
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| 12/22/06 21:09 |
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well,It wouldn't be fun if a guy ran around ascalon arena with animate flesh golem and owned everyone,now would it?Unless you were the guy owning,then you'd be like,"woohoo!Take this you poor people!" either way,that's also why they don't let you get an elite in pvp and buy it in kaneing center,because if they did then level 12s would be owning level 20s.
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| 12/22/06 21:33 |
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Best thing since all year besides Nightfall IMO, i hated goign there for some fun low level pvping only to find some group with 3 people with life transfer or other crazy elites.
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| 12/22/06 21:48 |
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| 12/23/06 02:52 |
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