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Master Bock

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Restoration better than healing magic?

Well, i just did a bit of research and i found out that restoration prayers are more powerful and heal better and quicker than healing prayers from a monk. So my thoughts are why not use those as your healing prayers when playing monk.. sure you cant get up to 16 in it but 12 restoration and 16 divine could pack a ton of healing. or will the difference not matter? but if you went in there with a communing rit, you could be even more powerful with hex and condition removers with every heal...idk a suggestion

01/09/07 20:18

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Monk Healer with Holy Haste + Healer's Boon Heals much more better than a Rit IMO. I carry bothe because if one is stripped/interrupted I can use the other.

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01/09/07 20:30

Agent Molder

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

An IQ of 60 or higher is required to use restoration instead of healing. thats why we dont see any restoration healers.

01/09/07 20:31

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

well, i came up with this

Mo/*
divine favor- 16
Healing prayers-16

51+72= 124 healing
(orison of healing)

thats with 2 sup runes..not alot of people do that but thats the best possible way for healing for my scenario.
Mo/Rit

divine favor- 16
spawning powers- 12

51+96=147
(mend body and soul)
1 sup rune.

so my conclusion would have to be that orison of healing is good cause it has a 2 sec recharge, but what other skills act like it? not many monk ones..and sure dwyanas kiss is still amazing, but why heal conditions with heals? (assuming that there is a spirit in the area)

a 16-16 2 sup run monk is probably even with a 16-12 mo/rit. but the mo/rit has more health and better condition removals.

i say that mo/rit wins over mo/*

01/09/07 20:37

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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An IQ of 60 or higher is required to use restoration instead of healing. thats why we dont see any restoration healers.

what are you saying are you bashing or complementing cause i use rit heals all the time and they work pretty well.

01/09/07 20:38

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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Impossible to have 16 in two attributes.

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01/09/07 20:40

Agent Molder

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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An IQ of 60 or higher is required to use restoration instead of healing. thats why we dont see any restoration healers.

what are you saying are you bashing or complementing cause i use rit heals all the time and they work pretty well.

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01/09/07 20:41

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

true, my bad

good call

that just proves my point better

01/09/07 20:41

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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An IQ of 60 or higher is required to use restoration instead of healing. thats why we dont see any restoration healers.

what are you saying are you bashing or complementing cause i use rit heals all the time and they work pretty well.

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what in gods name are you talking about? lol

01/09/07 20:42

HermanTheGerman

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Oh and divine favor only works on monk spells.

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01/09/07 20:42

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

damn, good call

case closed

i guess monks still win but dont get me wrong, rits can still heal pretty well..if paired with a communer

01/09/07 20:44

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

but restoration is still more powerful than healing prayers...

just cant be used with divine favor :-\

01/09/07 20:46

HermanTheGerman

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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damn, good call

case closed

i guess monks still win but dont get me wrong, rits can still heal pretty well..if paired with a communer

Ive only played a healing rit on the starter island but i think i know what youre trying to get at.

but if youre interested in a different healing profession try a dervish healing build, they lack the divine favor healing bonus but come back with powerful spike heals, and with the same energy regen as a monk and an additional 10 armor, theyve got potential.

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01/09/07 20:47

cswella

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Divine Favor only works on monk skills. So you couldn't get the bonus off using Restoration Magic.

IMO, monks are a bit better at healing.

With 16 heal and 14 Divine, Orison of Healing does 120+ heal. And that's just the generic healing skill.

Monks have 4 different attributes to pull from: Smiting, Healing, Divine, and Protection. A combo of these 4 can heal very well.

Ritualists have 1, maybe 2 attributes. Restoration, obviously; but overall, I find Restoration to be okay, but not as good as a monk.
-Mend Body and Soul, need a spirit to get the full effect. -Soothing Memories, need an item, which disables wands/offhands/staves.
-Spirit Light, again, need a spirit to get full effect.

And if you want good spirits for protection, you'd have to go with Communing. A good prot monk can out-protect a communing rit. Casting spirits is good, but not as quick or easy as casting a few 1/4 second spells. If you want protection at the outset of battle, you need to spend 10 seconds or more casting spirits, then you need to make sure everyone is in range of the spirits.

Weapon Spells are nice indeed, but they aren't good at being the primary healing skill. Sure they're unstrippable, but most monk prot skills are quick recharge.

Plus, ritualists seem to be more at home doing damage than healing others. Channeling, most of Communing, and even some Restoration is aimed at dealing damage.

Monks are the exact opposite. Divine Favor, Healing, Protection, and some of Smiting is aimed at healing/protecting teammates.

So in the end, I would rather use a monk to heal than a ritualist, just because monks have more healing/protection at their disposal.

Added: Monk skills heal more than Restoration skills.

Dwayna's Kiss: 5 energy, 1 cast, 3 recharge. Easily 300+ heals.

Spirit Transfer: 10 energy, 1/4 second cast, 5 recharge. Max of 237 heal.

What, 1/4 second cast is better than 1 second? What about the time to cast a spirit to get that healing power?

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01/09/07 20:50

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

ok, mix in attuned was sonkai with rit heals... you can heal for about 4 mins without running out of energy

and then when that runs out

you can do it all over again

or do quick heals with your wand/offhand for another additional 30 secs

01/09/07 20:57

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

weapon wards can be considered as a protection type thing

01/09/07 21:00

cswella

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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(sorry if I'm being so quick to defend monks, but they're my 2nd fav char after dervish. I am a believer in that monks are the best healers).

Energy shouldn't be an issue to a good monk. I've healed in tough areas for long times without running out of energy. With a good prot monk, Dwayna's Kiss is all you need to heal.

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weapon wards can be considered as a protection type thing

But you can't stack them. Prot Spirit + Shield of Absorb is awesome.

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01/09/07 21:00

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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weapon wards can be considered as a protection type thing

But you can't stack them. Prot Spirit + Shield of Absorb is awesome.

1st point true

if you know the right skills to use you shouldnt run out of energy but what if you have an area with pure damage and cant use dywanas kiss cause of no hexes unless you just enchant like crazy

2nd part true also

and yeah, i love rits, thats why i spent about 100k plus on mine haha

01/09/07 21:04

Star_60

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Personally i belive the monks are the best at healing, but not persay "Healing Prayers". When you add divine, protection, and a couple healing prayers out it becomes more balance, and the ability to stack and also not depending on spirits is nice.

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01/09/07 21:10

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

WHY DOES IT SAY PAPER JAM, WHEN THERE IS NO PAPER JAM!!!

01/09/07 21:19

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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People are missing the most obvious thing here... Spawning Power is primary to RTs only and Divine favor to monks, therefore being impossible to have either one...

01/09/07 21:23

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

we have accomplished that lol

01/09/07 21:30

Master Bock

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

but i was saying as a monk primary with rit heals if it would work and it doesnt

01/09/07 21:31

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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WHY DOES IT SAY PAPER JAM, WHEN THERE IS NO PAPER JAM!!!

i love that movie, although i have no idea how it is relevant here

on topic: rits also suffer from being a newer profession and lack the diversity of skills that monks are alloted in the area of healing, but when it comes to large spike teams where you can only have one dedicated healer rits don't have the reaction time that an sb/infuse monk can get.

01/09/07 22:16

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

I would say Rt's are good as a secondary healer. Just to help out when the primary healer is having troubles.

01/10/07 00:09

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Just a couple examples of how monks are better healers than rits. Now don't get me wrong, I love playing a restoration rit and a communing rit, and in my opinion, prot monks don't have anything on a prot rit, but monks are the superior healers, no doubt.

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01/10/07 00:49

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

Monks are really better healers... didnt we have a similar disscusion long ago? heal other, even without divine favour, outheals the most powerful restoration spell. why are you taking mend body and soul to compete with orison? you should take the most powerful heal vs. the most powerful heal. then that would be more accurate.

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01/10/07 01:01

cswella

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

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Spirit Transfer: 16 Restoration = 237 heal.

Heal Other: 16 Healing = 190 heal. 238 heal with Divine Favor at 15.

So it's not a huge number difference. But you need a spirit for Spirit Transfer.

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01/10/07 01:07

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RE: Restoration better than healing magic?

To be honest, you guys are going for quantity, over quality. Seriously, what squishie has 700+ health? Secondly, have a look at the spirit destruction/heal spells they can put out a pretty damn nice heal.

Sure, monks can "out" heal a ritualist in terms of pure numbers, however, rits have their merits, and depending on the situation or area, I'd rather have a ritualist as a healer before a monk. Of course, that goes without saying that in some cases, I'd perfere a monk over a ritualist.

As a restoration healer, I'll happily use a Weapon of Quickening on myself or, a personal favorite, Attuned was Songkai. Couple that with Mend Body and Soul, Soothing Memories, Spirit Light, Recuperation, Resilient Weapon, and Flesh of my Flesh, you have more than enough tools to keep your team alive.

Monks, of course, have several more healing builds available to them, but in the end, a heal is a heal is a heal. As long as your healer can get the job done, and their skills allow them to do so, then they're a perfectly viable healer.

As far as protection goes, I'll take a ritualist thanks, no stripping, many global skills and, their weapon enchantments are far more useful.

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01/10/07 01:34

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Omg how can you heal him for 700+ health? That would rule in PvP. Don't know that elite skill though, maybe something to do with it? =]

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