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HiroAyami
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I'm starting this in hopes to avoid future flaming, because, honestly, it isn't needed. GameAMP is a nice community, its a helpful community and the fact that they have the Auto-Ban No-Flame Policy is rather sad to me. When topics need to be closed due to flaming, I find it sad, yet necessary. Peace amongst community members is important, and as such, being respectful to one another is a must. If your mother or grandfather were to do something you don't agree with, or don't understand, or just don't have a personal preference to, would you "flame" them? Now, if you're reading this, you know what flaming is, so I have no need to explain the concept to you, and the fact is, you wouldn't do what I just said.
As a community, we're pretty close to being a family, I mean, we already help each other out like one. We post guides, put out advice, and even update others on our lives, all in the hopes (for the most part) that we'll be helping someone out in the future. I mean, who seriously puts out a guide hoping that it benefits no one?
Now, as I said before, you all know what flaming is, however I am perfectly, and avidly aware that you may not know if you, yourself are flaming. And you know what? Thats normal. Flames can be subtle, misinterpreted, or performed with the best of intentions. Like an insult, it can be done without knowing, and I've seen a few instances where that has indeed been the case. Now, that said, what can you do to avoid this, either flaming intentionally or not? Here's what I do.
1) I almost ALWAYS preview my post, review what I wrote, especially if it addresses someone or their work specifically.
2) When reading my work I think to myself, would I be insulted or would I mistake what is said here for something else? I try to make my posts as clear as possible, for my sake, as well as everyone elses.
3) I try to put myself in the readers perspective, from both the person I'm replying to, addressing, or otherwise, and from a standard browser of posts/topics. No one really reads things the same, so this is hardly full proof, but if you think you may find something possibly insulting, try and change it.
4) If I can't change the post and my ideas to be non-insulting, I simply do NOT post at all. I realize that as helpful as my thought may be, if it could be mistaken, it will do more harm than good. People are diverse, we have to realise we're not just dealing with another reflection of ourselves.
5) If I've been flamed I do my best to get up, walk away, or completely ignore it. Flames only bring more flames, if you flame them back, their obvious reponse will be a flame. take the initiative, put out the fire yourself. Why let a simple microwave fire escalate into a full blown house fire? If the firemen (Admins) can be spared the heartache and trouble, why not do it?
6) Realise that the other person may not be flaming you, and in fact my be offering kind words of advice, or offering contructive criticism, and their word choice was simply not appropriate or to your own liking.
7) If you can at all, refrain from getting into the middle of a flame war or an arguement. Let the two people settle it between themselves. Often things are escalated when outside parties, otherwise uninvolved, join the fray. Things get out of hand, and either party may feel threatened, ganged up on, and generally alienated. You may be trying to help, but in reality, you may do more harm than good. However, if you can somehow manage to intervene with a somewhat neutral manner, go for it, there are times when a cool head prevails.
8) There is nothing wrong with attempting to help admins do their work, just don't take matters into your own hands. Sure, you may be doing the right thing, you may have great intentions, but for the most part this approach does NOT work. Giving a friendly reminder of the rules can be helpful, but at times, it can incite a bigger problem. Telling someone to blatantly "watch their mouth" or that they "WILL be banned, etc." is not the way to do it. Let them know the rules, but do not, in any way threaten to enforce them yourself. In fact, simply let them know the rules exist, but do not threaten action in any way, even by saying "I can't, but the admins will.". These are forums, if they persist, PM an admin, or an admin will see it themselves and deal with it accordingly.
9) If you can, at all times, avoid an arguement yourself, but if you do, private messaging is a good way to resolve things in a discreet, non-volatile manner. There should be no reason why a disagreement between two people should be viewed by 50. Those two people can converse via Private Messages, we, the rest of the community do NOT need to see it.
10) Remember, we are a community and a family, since we're rather close, friction does occur and as such, some arguments will ensue. It is important for us to remember that some of these are minor and work past them, for those who have siblings or are close with someone should know this well. I argue with my girlfriend a lot, but in the end, we do remember why we're together. The same goes for my fiends, we may argue, rough house or even get into full blown physical fights, but more often than not, we work it out in the end.
My final thoughts? I believe I've summarised them in my little rant/guide. I'm not telling you how you should act, what you should do, but instead, I've shared what has worked for me, those 10 things usually keep me in line. I mean, I'm human too, I get upset and I do stupid things, we all do. For the most part, I'd like to see Flaming in the GameAMP community go down and, if possible, only be a small occurance, to the point where a No-Flame tolerance rule doesn't even need to be pinned.
Cheers,
Hiro Ayami
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| 01/15/07 12:49 |
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Kanna
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Very nice, Hiro. Very very nice. ^_^
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| 01/15/07 13:19 |
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:) Nice work. I write how I write but you can always offend someone just by saying Hi to them depending on their mood. :) I just ignore them and go on my way.
Nice work:)
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| 01/15/07 13:21 |
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Bubbada Muse
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i agree with you on all but a few points. it biggest point being the if you think your post is going to hurt someone somewhere dont post it. well of course somebody is going to be hurt by it, if it is unintentional then chances are it wont hurt much and if a person has a problem with what you said, let them say so and you can be the big person and apologize. through criticism we grow, through small jabs and being told our build wont work and why will only make us stronger. i'm not saying go out and flame away but if we make this fourm so flame/opinion free then it will become bland, boring and nobody will come here.
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| 01/15/07 13:27 |
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Does this have anything to do with that guy who is leaving thread? That was more ofa rare anomally caused by a small group of people rather than a big problem. Also most sites have problem with flaming. It isn't jsut this one. Actually gmaeamp has a minscule flaming problem compared to pretty much any forum on the internet. I would put it in this order. Really game amps flaming level is probably similar to a christian forum level.
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| 01/15/07 13:29 |
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Very, very nicely written and well thought out, in fact I'm going to move this to the announcements section and pin it.
Thankyou!
Edit: I decided just to pin it where it is, more people will see it.
| QUOTE | | i'm not saying go out and flame away but if we make this fourm so flame/opinion free then it will become bland, boring and nobody will come here. |
Totaly agree with you there, in order for a discussion to go somewhere truly productive or an idea to grow there has to be disagreement, it's very easy to disagree without reverting to being rude or flaming.
| QUOTE | | Actually gmaeamp has a minscule flaming problem compared to pretty much any forum on the internet. |
I think your right there, today has seen a rare occurence (there was another recent one too). It is great that it inspires discussion in a productive way. The community works to be the friendly place it is and that has really been reflected in the forums over the past few months, flaming has diminished overall.
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| 01/15/07 13:36 |
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hey nice guide, cred+
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| 01/15/07 13:42 |
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9) If you can, at all times, avoid an arguement yourself, but if you do, private messaging is a good way to resolve thingsin a discreet, non-volatile manner. There should be no reason why a disagreement between two people should be viewed by 50. Those two people can converse via Private Messages, we, the rest of the community do NOT need to see it.
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thats why my sig says "if you dont like something i say, PM me"
If you dont like something I post, please PM me.
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| 01/15/07 13:44 |
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All I can give you is +10 credit. Excellent post, Hiro, excellent!
Rule 3 & 4, I wish more people do so.
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| 01/15/07 13:59 |
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| QUOTE | Very, very nicely written and well thought out, in fact I'm going to move this to the announcements section and pin it.
Thankyou!
Edit: I decided just to pin it where it is, more people will see it.
| QUOTE | | i'm not saying go out and flame away but if we make this fourm so flame/opinion free then it will become bland, boring and nobody will come here. |
Totaly agree with you there, in order for a discussion to go somewhere truly productive or an idea to grow there has to be disagreement, it's very easy to disagree without reverting to being rude or flaming.
| QUOTE | | Actually gmaeamp has a minscule flaming problem compared to pretty much any forum on the internet. |
I think your right there, today has seen a rare occurence (there was another recent one too). It is great that it inspires discussion in a productive way. The community works to be the friendly place it is and that has really been reflected in the forums over the past few months, flaming has diminished overall. |
Well the reason is beacuse of good moderators and it is an organized site. Also the people makea big difference as well.
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| 01/15/07 14:25 |
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Belshazaarswrath
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Oh and hiro im going to borrow your guide fora few other sites. You don't mind right?
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| 01/15/07 14:25 |
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HiroAyami
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I don't mind at all, in fact I've put it up at a few RP sites I'm at. Of course, feel free to change the gameAMP references at your will.
Also, while this "guide" was urged on by today's occurence, the others in the past were the inspiration really. I just finally got it down in a way I enjoyed today ^^
Thanks for the positive feed back all, I didn't actually think this would get a quick look, it felt kinda like a mini-rant to me :O
Signature made by me, via Microsoft Paint. ^^
My Guide to NOT Flaming: Just give it a look. :)
I'm perfectly willing to help, however due to real life, I can't get on very often. Still and all, feel free to PM me in game or here if you need help.
IGNs:
W/Any - Hiro Des Trinith
A/Me,D,N,R,Rt - Strife Prathren
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| 01/15/07 14:39 |
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| QUOTE | I don't mind at all, in fact I've put it up at a few RP sites I'm at. Of course, feel free to change the gameAMP references at your will.
Also, while this "guide" was urged on by today's occurence, the others in the past were the inspiration really. I just finally got it down in a way I enjoyed today ^^
Thanks for the positive feed back all, I didn't actually think this would get a quick look, it felt kinda like a mini-rant to me :O |
Mini rant? HA HA HA have you seen how long it is? It looks more like a scentific study on the flaming.
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| 01/15/07 14:45 |
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Personally, I always like a little bit of sarcasm. Imho not flaming, but some people, I know, can't deal with it....Shame :-) Self knowledge is the key to understanding and reading between the lines....
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| 01/15/07 15:02 |
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Very very very (+100 very's) good post. It sais everything AMP is about ^^ + creds for making this thread and for putting it so well together ^^
Necromancer all the way
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| 01/15/07 15:35 |
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umm im being NOSY but...
| QUOTE | | Does this have anything to do with that guy who is leaving thread? That was more ofa rare anomally caused by a small group of people rather than a big problem. |
what happened?
Heeding The Call, one and for all
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| 01/15/07 16:33 |
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| QUOTE | umm im being NOSY but...
| QUOTE | | Does this have anything to do with that guy who is leaving thread? That was more ofa rare anomally caused by a small group of people rather than a big problem. |
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Long story short, someone quit for another game, people replied not so nicely, and eventually there was some off topic chatter that lead to a bit of flaming, arguments, etc. This all lead the downfall and locking of the thread.
Signature made by me, via Microsoft Paint. ^^
My Guide to NOT Flaming: Just give it a look. :)
I'm perfectly willing to help, however due to real life, I can't get on very often. Still and all, feel free to PM me in game or here if you need help.
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W/Any - Hiro Des Trinith
A/Me,D,N,R,Rt - Strife Prathren
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| 01/15/07 16:59 |
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so your point is: flaming sucks... right ?
plz clickzors, i need t3h viewz !
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| 01/15/07 17:11 |
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| QUOTE | | so your point is: flaming sucks... right ? |
indeed; thats his point ^^
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| 01/15/07 17:13 |
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ow and 1 more thing
COME ON GIVE ME A FAMILY HUG !!
plz clickzors, i need t3h viewz !
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| 01/15/07 17:17 |
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| QUOTE | ow and 1 more thing
COME ON GIVE ME A FAMILY HUG !! |
*gives a family hug*
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| 01/15/07 17:18 |
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I think this should be put in the thing you have to agree to to become a Gameamp member.
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| 01/15/07 19:13 |
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You know... This topic makes me very happy. I hate flaming just as much as the next guy. Let me explain why this is making me happy...:
No matter what MMORPG I play... No matter where I go, there is always someone that is willing to put you down so they can feel good about themselves. Posts like this show me that some people care about the feelings of others, even though they may be complete strangers. Let me tell ya something...
My point is, I feel happy that people like you all actually see strangers on the internet as other people, and not a bullseye for insults.
I can tell I'm going to enjoy my stay here. Can I have a family hug too?! =P
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| 05/10/07 04:42 |
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Nice guide, very well written.
However.....
Flaming someone just to be mean is never acceptable. But there are simply times where someones stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, or their pompous whiny crying little ego needs to be put in its place. That is the biggest problem with this world. We have become a passive, afraid to hurt someons feelings, afraid we might offend someone, world full of softies. It is why we have so much terror in the world. Everyone wants to be sensitive, no one wants to step on someones toes. A gaming forum might seem like a small place to make a political statement. But its the same people who post here, or anywhere else, that are passing along this same passive attitude that is making the world an even more dangerous place to live, because it allows the true scumbags to operate freely without fear of repercussions becuase they know we are afraid to speak out.
Bottom line, don't be an A** to someone just because you can, but dont be afraid to put someone deserving in their rightful place by giving them a little dose of the truth.
This a forum, a place where popular and unpopular opinions are voiced. If you don't like what I have to say, I don't care. Logically tell me how or why I am wrong, and we can discuss it. Reply to me the way an upset 10 year old replies, and you will be spoken to as such.
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| 05/10/07 07:09 |
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ahhha! A GW forum that appears to actually have and enforce a real 'no insult/flaming' policy! Ah ive been waiting a long time for this.
Thanks for referring me here Wyat :) I see what you mean about the real community aspect here. I got chatting to Wyat on the GWG forum because he and i shared similar ideas about wanting to stop the rabid flaming that goes on there. After a couple of months trying to improve things there, i was at my wits end and minus a lot of hair heh. I said to Wyatt i would check out GWO forum as it appeared to not tolerate flaming. I have seen quite a few insults go there now as well. Wyat recommended i check out this forum and reading through this sites rules and posts i am encouraged that this may indeed be the site for me to commit to.
I was saying in a thread earlier today,on gwg, about the shame that so many valid threads become sidelined by insults and pure abuse. A forum's atmosphere is influenced by both its members and its admin/moderators. When the staff allow the members to slide into the flaming pit, the tone of the forum is shot to pieces. From the looks of things here, respect of everyone else is as it should be and this will go a very long way to keeping the atmosphere one that is enjoyable to be around.
When Mods (on gwg) start closing valid threads of good people, and allowing blatant insulting flame posts of consistently poor posters, there is a major problem.
I just hope that i can access this forum through the firewall/filter that i have at work ;p (which is the only reason i still look at gwg through gritted teeth)
I look forward to sharing here and discussing the game that we all so enjoy :) Cheers
Tim
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"When truth is replaced with silence, the silence is a lie."
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