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People moan more and more about how the players are unfriendly and unhelpful. We see the "get hench n00b" responses, we see the empty towns, we can't find others to play with.
Well, it won't change by itself. It won't change with any update or change a-net ever does.
But we can change it together.
I believe this community can stand up together, as we stood up against flaming in gameamp. Of course there's no way of booting unfriendly players, but that's not the point. The point is, each time you help out a newbie, you give the community a friendly and helpful player. No kidding mate.
When I started GW, I knew noone - or, only one guy who was never online. Then I met some players who was helpful, and I met Xavier who was extremely helpful. He didn't mind tagging along in presearing for ages, he didn't mind tagging along in old ascalon and norhtern shiverpeaks for eons. He gave advices, he pointed me to gameamp too. If you meet helpful players, you enjoy the game and find yourself being helpful too. You get some good items for free when you're a starter, and you find yourself giving away some items you never use, but can be awesome for a beginner. Yeah, you could get 1-200gold from a merchant for them - or you can get a grateful player.
I know we are here to play the game, to enjoy it for ourselves. But when everyone goes selfish and wants only to do their own quests and missions, the community becomes a bunch of insulated people. But if you help othes, you might find enjoying the "thank you" and "gg" answers at the end of the quest / mission.
"But why me" you could ask. Well, the answer is simple: because noone else will. Because everyone counts.
What's in it for you, you might ask. First, there's nothing, except that strange new feeling inside. And if you really do mean good, you'll enjoy it. And one day you might find yourself in a friendly community again.
"What can I do?" you could ask. There's a lot! A helpful hint (not a "go to gwiki n00b it's there") that leads others to find something out can make someone's day. That collector's wand you doesn't use anymore since you switched to a new build can mean the difference between success and stress for someone. A free run to the next outpost can get you some "Thank you very much!" A "come with me, my quest is in the same way anyways" can gain you some fun moments and maybe a new friend. You probably don't need that extra scale fin, and you might need the money - but why sell it for 200gp, if you can just give it away and finish a quick quest that gives you 300gp in less time than it would take you find a buyer?
But these are the bigger things. There are smaller things you can do. Like, don't spam your trades on local chat: trade chat is for something (the new search window likewise), and if you keep spamming, people will just turn the trade/local off. The lesser the more: repeat your offer in every 1-2 minutes, and you get more attention.
You can greet others and talk to others. If you enter a zone and see someone siad hello, don't be afraid to greet back, even if it wasn't for you. Small things like this can build a good community fast. Talk with respect, as you would expect from others to talk with you - or even with more respect. If someone makes a mistake, don't go moan or laugh or call them names: tell them why it is a mistake and suggest improvements. If someone tells you you're doing something wrong, ask them politely why do they think it and how do they think you could do better.
Spend some time to talk with the others. Rushing through a mission in 5 minutes might be good, but spending 15 minutes in the outpost telling jokes might be even better.
Don't spoil the fun. The cutscene at Frost Gate would have been much more catartic for me, if some players haven't told what happens there while we did Fort Ranik. It's always better to give out hints instead of full solutions, since you don't take the satisfaction of finding the solution.
You need the community, and the community needs you. And as a great man said (with slight modification):
"Ask not what your community can do for you - ask what you can do for your community."
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they should put this on a realy big poster in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan for everyone to read :), great post!
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| 01/16/07 05:59 |
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100% agree, this really does need to be said,
last night i spent not 1, not 2 but 3 hours on my rit trying to get a party for sunjiang district, first ass there was no one there and the people there wouldnt let me into party i tried with hench and hero only to die on the 4 bosses at end due to not having the spear and urn to help me.
once i had failed i tried to a real team, i tried Guild chat, no one would even answer me, i tried alliance chat, nothing.. (there were about 10 people online and talking but obv got better things to do) i even tried asking friends for help but to all to no avail.
so i tried PUG, there were a few people coming in but all were getting hench and leaving, a guild/alliance team of 5 wouldnt let me tag along either.. (cant remember their tag)
i finally found a lone warrior to try the misssion with but he had to go half way in, i continued but died again on the 4 bosses at the end.
finally i gave up, i went to help a friend at consulate docks and we had fun doing the mission and got masters award to boot!.
so finding nothing better to do i went back to Sunjiang, found a few lonesomes sitting in a corner calling LFG but with no answer, i made a party of 2 wars 2 necs and myself (restoration Rit) a war added some lvl 20 hero monks and we went, did well all the way up to last part when we all rushed to monk, slowly our team died and we failed. i think in that area there were enough real people to form a proper group, if all the people in there had dropped the henches we could have all done it together and had a way better time doing it..
in mission towns population is already dropping (sunjiang dist for example) and we really need to band together in order to help little noobs like me.. i was so close to just calling it quits and playing somthing else..
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| 01/16/07 06:09 |
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great post! we need more ppl like u tbh
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| 01/16/07 06:33 |
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like i always said: pm me for help..
next thing i know, no one pm's me.. sad eh?
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| 01/16/07 06:55 |
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| QUOTE | like i always said: pm me for help..
next thing i know, no one pm's me.. sad eh? |
Some beginners doesn't even know how to PM :P The chat system is actually never mentioned anywhere, so when I realize I'm talking with a beginner, I ask if they know how to use the chat system and if they don't, I explain it.
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| 01/16/07 07:15 |
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| QUOTE |
so finding nothing better to do i went back to Sunjiang, found a few lonesomes sitting in a corner calling LFG but with no answer, i made a party of 2 wars 2 necs and myself (restoration Rit) a war added some lvl 20 hero monks and we went, did well all the way up to last part when we all rushed to monk, slowly our team died and we failed. i think in that area there were enough real people to form a proper group, if all the people in there had dropped the henches we could have all done it together and had a way better time doing it..
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First I didn't read everything in the post so if this was already said oh well. Just a hint if you haven't got that mission done yet. At the end as soon as the cut scene is over run to the back left corner and pull one of the bosses away (2 might come) The monk boss may do a little healing but overall you can pick of 1 or 2 of them first then take on the rest.
As for the hench/hero thing I have my own opinions
First I love the heroes the game has become so big that it becomes hard to find groups in out of the way mission, especiallyif you are starting a new character in anything other then nightfall. Second I find the monk hero is great for dual farming as he can bond me up then hang back while I kill not to mention if I want to farm as an MM I can flag them back after I get my 10 minions. So Heroes IMO = good thing
PUGs - I spent most of my first year in PUGS trying to do mission after countless attempts at the same mission over and over again I just stopped doing them b/c I could benver get e good group (Hell Precipice and THK for example). Now I have completed all the mission (bonuses and masters) for tyria and Cantha with the exception of Hell (just haven't got to it yet). If I look back at all the time wasted doing these mission (and I say wasted b/c having noobs or rage quitters cause the loos is frustrating) I think of all the other things I could have been doing for progression in titles, money, armor....
So in closing I do miss the full teams because when you get a good one it becomes a lot of fun, but I don't miss the quitters, leechers and just plain idiots that I always seem to get stuck with. Now with a group of 4 friends we can easily take on whatever the game has to throw at us. I am for the heroes and improved hench AI (although they still are stupid standing in close groups, not running from AI, and breaking aggro evertime you move)
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| 01/16/07 07:24 |
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excellent post m8 ,,I agree 100 %
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| 01/16/07 07:27 |
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Just wanted to say that its absolutly right what you have said about people not helping on missions anymore.
The main problem that makes me mad when i'm playing is on the later harder missions in crystal desert and shiverpeaks. You gather your party after 10 minutes of screaming LF MONK etc, once you get all your group your off.
I find the most infuriating things are:
1. Selfish Skill cappers- once they cap the skill that they are looking for there off like a shot, lost count of the amount of times this has happened and then the mission has failed.
2. People who think that there gods gift to Guildwars, what I mean is they charge off aggro'ing tons of enemies because they think they can kill them all. All that normally happens is that they force the monks in and then die, at this point the team has no chance and all die. The minute you get to the out post there gone. (40 mins wasted normally)
I think if people have a little onsideration for the others there playing with, possible first timers on the mission, have there skill set up for a certain way of fighting, not just rush them.
I have however come across some exellent players who listen to the group and point out things as your going through the missions. A big thumbs up and congrats to you :D (These are the players i'm modelling myself on)
Good post, i think it needed to be said.
Well done.
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| 01/16/07 07:41 |
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i agree with this post 100% the sad thing is that pug group is bad mentality is one of the major problems and i doubt if it can chnage at all. | QUOTE | | I spent most of my first year in PUGS trying to do mission after countless attempts at the same mission over and over again I just stopped doing them b/c I could benver get e good group |
how do you know that you cant get a good pug group now if you havent tried? ppl try pug groups if they fail 6/10 times then PUG GROUPS IS BAD AND EVERYONE IN A PUG GROUP IS A NOOB you know what they say strangers are just friends you havent met yet
the main reason i love prophecies pre is because of the noobs all of them ther are noobs even if they are not necesarilly new to the game they all are low level with crappy armour and weapons there is no way of experienced chars to go back like in factions so theres a noobs stick to gether mentaility in pre that i miss so much
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| 01/16/07 08:09 |
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Totally Agree, i get sooo p*s%ed off wen i cant find any1 to do anythin, and my guild/alliance never listens wen i ask for like 5mins of their time to help,
Most PUGS i get are really crappy always shouting at you if they do sumthin wrong e.g "WTF MONK HEAL ME N00B!!" wen they are the ones running out of range in to mobs not thinking there is 7 other ppl the monks have to heal
Saying that once in a blue moon i get into an amazing PUG and we storm the missions/quest with no probs or even deaths
If Ppl did help out each other like this it might sort the population in all campaigns seeing as the quicker ppl get thru 1 they will be on to the next
Great Post +cred =D
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| 01/16/07 08:48 |
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[I agree with the first post..for the most part.
I started playing GW just over 18 months ago and I actually started playing after I bought a copy of the game for my B/F for Father's Day. We only knew each other, we were like everyone else..didn't read the manual. We started out just READING what things in the game told us. The chat system isn't that hard to honestly figure out.
When we got quests, we read what they told us to do, who to find, what to find, where to go. That was before they put the area on the map in green like they have now. All we had was an arrow and a green star...once we got close to the quest. We didn't have it on the map, or the town lit up in green.
People who buy Factions and NightFalls honestly don't have a reason to be asking how to party with people, or henchies, or merchants, or agro bubble..this is ALL explain in that boring tutorial us "vets" skip when you make EVERY new character in those chapters.
Don't get me wrong, I still help people who don't know, even in town, or in game play. I helped a guy I didn't know through Thirty River mission so he could ascend to change his 2nd proff. He wanted to pay me for helping and I declined. I'm not filthy rich, but I also make money well enough on my own. This guy was also a guild leader, with supposedly 98 members, and I know more about the game then he does.
I have NO problem sitting in town for an hour..or even longer chatting and helping new people out..it's the LAZY new people I have a problem with. A lot of this game is common sense, if you aren't willing to use it, I wont help you. I'm sorry but it has nothing to do with being a B***h, it has mostly to do that I lived with someone for 7 years that never used his common sense and I honestly have no patience for it now.
If someone is honestly stuck or can't find something...then I will help. Someone asks "how do I get to the UW/FoW?" I tell them in whisper and explain it to them. Things like that, cause hell I didn't even know either when I first started playing.
Its the questions like "What does an Identification Kit do?" Or "what's an Outpost town?" that grates my nerves.
Or how new player complain how hard it is to make cash in this game. I made cash in this game, before the green weapons, and no I never ran, due to I suck at running. I can do questing for less then 1 hr, and make over 1K just in gold pick ups alone, even with a full party of heros/henchies. Factions and NF made it easier to make gold. So when I see someone "help a new player out to get armor..can you give me 200 gold" yup I tell them to get off their lazy a** and go farm and work for it like I had to.
I am still learning in this game, and when me, my guild leader and another very exp player in our guild, are unsure, we stop in a safe spot so we dont agro anything, and we are on vent or skype, and one of us looks it up on Wiki to figure out where to go, who to talk to, or which boss has which elite we are after.
I will let new people know about GameAmp, and Guild Wiki, to get the information they need, or anything else about the game, cause the manual just doesnt have enough information in it. But this game is mostly common sense, it's not hard to figure things out if you just take the time to read.
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| 01/16/07 09:30 |
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One good thing for the Heroes is they seemed to have made life alot easier for me (and the wife) since we've gotten them.
But, we played through most of Tyria without them (all missions up to Droks). Now that we have them, we've not needed to look for those PUG's for whatever we needed. Although, I'm actually all for having Human controlled groups, the problem is you tend to get someone who is just 'wrong' for what you're doing. From those not doing their job, to those not knowing what to do (tanks casting), to those aggroing everything, to those just being condescending, after so long, I got tired of them. (Did get a great group for Thristy River on my first run.)
Part of the way I've fixed this is trying to mold thr Guild I'm in into something that helps everyone. From having someone online to talk to or maybe even help. Our guild is nice and small to be able to work up this sort of arrangement as well. Most of us are on at the same time, so unless outside circumstances occur, getting a human group isn't hard.
But I do understand the plight of everyone. Something I've thought about doing is just helping people in missions or such. I do try to answer any questions that I see in chat, and not with 'check guildwiki.com'. I seen alot of this during Wintersday, and would PM or Open chat the answers anyways. I think many don't like the spam 'LFG' or 'Question" everytime they hop in a town. I try not to spam, even when selling. Part of the attitude could come from this.
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| 01/16/07 09:31 |
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[I agree with the first post..for the most part.
I started playing GW just over 18 months ago and I actually started playing after I bought a copy of the game for my B/F for Father's Day. We only knew each other, we were like everyone else..didn't read the manual. We started out just READING what things in the game told us. The chat system isn't that hard to honestly figure out.
When we got quests, we read what they told us to do, who to find, what to find, where to go. That was before they put the area on the map in green like they have now. All we had was an arrow and a green star...once we got close to the quest. We didn't have it on the map, or the town lit up in green.
People who buy Factions and NightFalls honestly don't have a reason to be asking how to party with people, or henchies, or merchants, or agro bubble..this is ALL explain in that boring tutorial us "vets" skip when you make EVERY new character in those chapters.
Don't get me wrong, I still help people who don't know, even in town, or in game play. I helped a guy I didn't know through Thirty River mission so he could ascend to change his 2nd proff. He wanted to pay me for helping and I declined. I'm not filthy rich, but I also make money well enough on my own. This guy was also a guild leader, with supposedly 98 members, and I know more about the game then he does.
I have NO problem sitting in town for an hour..or even longer chatting and helping new people out..it's the LAZY new people I have a problem with. A lot of this game is common sense, if you aren't willing to use it, I wont help you. I'm sorry but it has nothing to do with being a B***h, it has mostly to do that I lived with someone for 7 years that never used his common sense and I honestly have no patience for it now.
If someone is honestly stuck or can't find something...then I will help. Someone asks "how do I get to the UW/FoW?" I tell them in whisper and explain it to them. Things like that, cause hell I didn't even know either when I first started playing.
Its the questions like "What does an Identification Kit do?" Or "what's an Outpost town?" that grates my nerves.
Or how new player complain how hard it is to make cash in this game. I made cash in this game, before the green weapons, and no I never ran, due to I suck at running. I can do questing for less then 1 hr, and make over 1K just in gold pick ups alone, even with a full party of heros/henchies. Factions and NF made it easier to make gold. So when I see someone "help a new player out to get armor..can you give me 200 gold" yup I tell them to get off their lazy a** and go farm and work for it like I had to.
I am still learning in this game, and when me, my guild leader and another very exp player in our guild, are unsure, we stop in a safe spot so we dont agro anything, and we are on vent or skype, and one of us looks it up on Wiki to figure out where to go, who to talk to, or which boss has which elite we are after.
I will let new people know about GameAmp, and Guild Wiki, to get the information they need, or anything else about the game, cause the manual just doesnt have enough information in it. But this game is mostly common sense, it's not hard to figure things out if you just take the time to read.
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| 01/16/07 09:32 |
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As my signature reads, I do what I can to help, unfortunately, I don't have much time, and once my son is born, I'll have even less. Though, it is fun helping people out, but at the same time, some people you really don't want to help. For instance, when I was running a group of Dervishes (4 of them) to cap Avatar of Balthazar, they were the most impatient group ever. There I was, soloing the Acolyte of Balthazar (With Tahlkora) and all they could say was "OMG WTF this is taking too long". Two of them actually quit on me. >.>
Unfortunately, it does go two fold, some of the new players joining the game are indeed rude, ungrateful little kittens. It is truly unfortunate that we do have to deal with them, and in the "prime" or busier hours when more people are on, you deal with a lot more of the bad ones than the good ones. For me, this is pretty grating seeing as how I don't have a whole lot of time to invest into the game myself, the last thing I really want to deal with are people like the ones I've mentioned.
That aside, I am in full support of your idea, despite whatever tone I might have taken in the above comments. Pls, if you believe in Karma, I'm sure it carries over to the actions you take in game. I'll bet you get bad PUG's after you've solo'd a bunch of stuff ahead of time, the mindless slaughtering of your foes mys wreak bad karma all over you, at least, if the theory that killing is bad, even if they're monsters applies ^^
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| 01/16/07 10:41 |
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Guys, most of you didn't really catch me. This isn't another thread where you moan about the bad pugs. This is a thread where you come up with ideas how to help the players....
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| 01/16/07 12:40 |
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Well, lemme tell you guys a story, Afew weeks ago, I guess months now I started a PuG group for the FoW. Most of them don't get past the forge master, well guess what? We CLEARED it . I mean all shard wolfs the burning forest (burning forest and forest of the wailing lord). So for all you people out there who say every single PuG group sucks, guess what? Your wrong lol.
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Ive been giving stuff to new guys and helping them with missions for awhile now. It's a good recruting tool. Liek I wanted to turn of the antifarming code so I did the first 5 missions in ascalon with soem peoples.Then once I figured out how they palyed I gave them soem tips and gave them some weapons to suit their style.
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| 01/16/07 18:29 |
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All of Gameamp should parade around Ascalon giving away money to new people :P we can inspire the new people to Group up :P It would be fun. I used to give out money to new people but i stopped when i started to speed along missions like every other person...I'm a bad person :O
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| 01/17/07 01:30 |
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I agree with most of that.
I was shocked during wintersday, i knew the prophecies quests from last year so I did them again with another char, and there were lots of people about in La asking for help with them. I was amazed to see how many people were shouting things like: ---- off someplace else n00b, go to gwiki and read it from there.
That really dissapointed me, because last year when i got the game a short while before christmas, i was lucky to have someone show me round those quests, so I felt like i should do it for other players.
In the end i took 5 people round a very grenthcie wintersday one day, and 3 the next, i spent the rest of my time arguing in La lol :P
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| QUOTE | And as a great man said (with slight modification):
"Ask not what your community can do for you - ask what you can do for your community." |
Aww how sweet.. you quoted me. I actually said: ''Let the community do it all for me, I shall then lay back and watch them do it.''
You came pretty close tho..
Erhm anyway.. On a more serious note.. Since I joined gameamp there have always been people Ive been annoyed by.. Posts I thought that were just plain stupid and/or rude. Some people just like to be rude on the internet.. I say some but everyone knows that goes for a LOT of players.. For instance the other in WoW (sorry) there were 2 people chattin in the trade channel which was very annoying as there is a general chat for that or they could just whisper eachother.. So I asked them nicely if they could take it to general or a whisper.. They immediatly started callin me names.. then other people defended me by callin them names (just as bad but atleast for a good cause -_-) Then I figured I'd better just play and dont be bothered by it..
What im trying to say is that there are just a lot of rude people around on the internet.. I think that gameamp has a great community alltho there are people I can be annoyed by and there are people that are just plain rude. You always have that on a forum and I dont think its a good idea to ''gestapo'' them out.. Here at gameamp 90% of the people are nice and not rude to other people.. atleast not without a reason. Sometimes someone gets annoyed at another rude person and is rude back. Thats how flamewars can start sometimes..
I can name atleast 2 people (Im not going to of course) where I have been annoyed by in the last few weeks.. But I know how many members there are on gameamp so I really cant whine about 2 members being rude.. And thats the point im trying to make. There are rude people out there.. But its nothing compared to the friendly people. If you compare gameamp to most other forums you will see that we have a MUCH better community.
Im not saying your post is pointless Edem.. or that you're whining.. I do understand you post this.
I would also like to add that in a way its a shame that members like Gen (genesis Dragon) and Kanna become staff. They totally deserve to be and are extremely helpfull.. But in a way you loose 2 of the best members of GW.gameamp. They still post of course but most people after becoming staff post slightly differently.. I know I have done that.. I still do.. though slightly less here as im not staff here anymore. But even if they post exactly the same its still a good thing to leave some people member.
Black Pheonix and Apoletta Black never became staff and I think that was a good thing.. They could have been great staffers but they were great members and a lot of the times a member can do more for the site then a staffer.
Of course there are still enough helpfull members out there but sometimes it isnt always good to see a great wellknown member being sucked into a staff position. :)
I know Kanna and Gen almost got begged to become staff by members of AMP who loved em ;) *love em, I cant remember EG on his knees.. I doubt i would forget something like that. The staffers loved to see them as staff too. They never applied tho.. And I think if they never apply they should stay ''at the member side'' cause like I said earlier.. Most of the times a member can do more for the community then a staffer can.
Oooh.. I rattled on and on.. lol srry
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| 01/17/07 02:48 |
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mriswith
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When i go on a PuG team, help out strangers or whatever i hold myself a few simple rules:
- dont call someone names for making a mistake anyone could have made (eeg; accidentally pulling another group/patrol)
- give compliments when people play well (eeg "great healing" after a tough battle)
- congratulate on good drops. Dont get jealous in the sence of "i did more then you" or something
- if someone is struggling in the mission, try to be helpfull and give pointers and encourage that person.
- if someone is picking out on another player; try to solve it or to shush it. Most of the time it is a misconception of what someone said in chat.
- If you fail a mission, laugh and try again.
- Dont assume that someone rage-quitted when there is no need for it; it could have been an error or something.
- When you are going AFK for a minute or 2; tell the team. That way they can descide to go on or to wait until you get back.
- There are always people who try to provoke. Dont let them get to you and if it gets bad; just ignor them and have fun with the other people.
Just a few examples of some things i live by; never had any problems with a PuG;
As for being helpfull in-game; i tend to logg into frost gate or something on regular occasions. Especially since there are so little people there. Its fun imho. I have met some real nice people that way. Also when seeing a question in L-chat i just answer (or whisp; depends on how busy the L-C is) and if the answer isnt clear i explain it to that person until he/she can use the tip/answer.
It is such a small trouble to help a stranger. If someone asks a question, no matter how silly it is, try to answer it. You help a person with it and what could be giving a better feeling then the feeling of having jsut helped someone out you dont even know ^^.
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| 01/17/07 03:21 |
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I like the list you started mriswith. I'd also like to add try being more open minded to different classes and builds. Don't always go into a mission town thinking only one certain team build will work. I Don't do PUGs cause they mostly ask for certain classes or certain builds and its usually a class or build I'm not using and I would rather play a build I came up with or that isn't a carbon copy build.
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| 01/17/07 05:45 |
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i do this 100% of the tiem anyways
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| 01/18/07 01:05 |
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| 01/18/07 11:23 |
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lol you rock! :) I like it a lot advertise the helpfulness, and lets get out there and teach and help!
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| 01/18/07 11:32 |
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Does grouping with somebody in Old Ascalon to show them where the skill trainer is, count? I say /yes.
p.s. no 'h' on Shuuga :)
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