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Hey, take a look at this...RIGHT HERE. Thanks to Nakoma, we can see some interesting tid-bits from the upcoming, most-awaited Issue 9.
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| 01/19/07 14:42 |
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The invention system, interesting i dare say what do you guys think of this idea, im not so sure it will work so well but thats just me
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| 01/19/07 16:11 |
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Im not really a fan of it, i think it will make people fustrated and people who already have powerleveling services and infamy drops will now market inventions.
I really hope its not the main new thing for i9
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Yay! hami raids for villains, about time, LOOK OUT HEROES! VILLAINS HAVE HAMI STACKED POWERS TOO! Muah ha ha ha!
sorry, had to get that off my chest, well i9 looks pretty cool but i hope they have more than just that, and that invention system thing has MAJOR BUG written all over it.
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| 01/20/07 22:23 |
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I have to agree with Nova, its defiantly gonna be a major bug issue. I'm very saddened by the no mention of the Epic ATs, I've been waiting for a very long time. The Hami raid idea is brilliant. Now we can obtain HO's in a different way the doing the same strike force again and again. One thing I hope they add to the list is Hero Villain team up.
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| 01/20/07 22:48 |
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considering i have my ele ele brute completely slotted with hami's i dont need them lol but yeah i want my damn epic
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| 01/21/07 01:21 |
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epics will most likely be in i9, this is just a overview of the major add-ons. there has to be more than just whats in the fact sheet.
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i wouldnt consider the epics major, because they are just what heroes have just villain's version, so theres really nothing to look forward to when it comes to the epics, thats just my opinion.
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| 01/21/07 08:03 |
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I'm really looking forward to the new Invention System. I've always considered the infamy in this game to be worthless anyway. Ofcourse, there is always the problem of people doing nothing but farming. So much farming abuse could really kill the game.
I know when I was playing Guild Wars Farming had a major impact on the economy of the game, and from my understanding there is no economy in WoW, everyone allready has everything and if they don't they just farm like heck till they do.
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| 01/21/07 09:20 |
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Masterminds and hamiraids don't mix 50 henchmen does not help the lag in a hami raid
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| 01/22/07 20:45 |
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| QUOTE | | The invention system, interesting i dare say what do you guys think of this idea, im not so sure it will work so well but thats just me |
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this lead to an actual market in CoX?
Some people will have salvages that others need and be prepared to pay influence / infamy for them or trade other salvages for them.
I sure do hope I am missing something here, proving me wrong, or that it will work out in an entirely different way.
If CoX would end up with a full-blown market and economy like most - if not all - other MMORPGs have I doubt I'd keep playing this really.
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| 01/23/07 05:59 |
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| 01/23/07 06:00 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | The invention system, interesting i dare say what do you guys think of this idea, im not so sure it will work so well but thats just me |
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this lead to an actual market in CoX?
Some people will have salvages that others need and be prepared to pay influence / infamy for them or trade other salvages for them.
I sure do hope I am missing something here, proving me wrong, or that it will work out in an entirely different way.
If CoX would end up with a full-blown market and economy like most - if not all - other MMORPGs have I doubt I'd keep playing this really. |
Yes the invention system would probably jump start the CoX economy, however; like I said a few posts up, Farming could become a major problem and destroy that very economy.
In other MMORPG's like WoW and GW where you have a high demand for certain armors or weapons, people take advantage of the demand and sell things at outragous prices which causes massive farming to take place in order to get the Gold to pay for it.
While farming they will find even more things to sell at a large price which causes more Farming. Not to mention, the moment that farming becomes an issue in an MMORPG people WILL make bots and builds specifically for farming. They might even start selling the crap on ebay which just hurts the economy more.
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| 01/23/07 08:31 |
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You may be right Ruler. CoHs was my first MMOG, and I've had alot of fun with it. But as with the the PvP when they introduced it, Inventions isn't being forced on us, it's an option that is being offered that we can choose to or not to use.
Also I remember reading in the game manual that you cannot use a bind or macro to initiate another bind or macro, so you can't make a bot that does nothing but attack. The closest you can come to doing something like that is set your charcter to follow someone and have one attack on auto.
Everyone of these games will have these problems in it. It's up to the devs to allow how much of it goes on, and how far it goes
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| 01/23/07 09:15 |
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| QUOTE | | You may be right Ruler. CoHs was my first MMOG, and I've had alot of fun with it. But as with the the PvP when they introduced it, Inventions isn't being forced on us, it's an option that is being offered that we can choose to or not to use. |
Games rarely ever force you into anything but that doesn't mean you can turn your back on change.
With things like this you would eventually find yourself falling behind on others if you simply chose to ignore it.
| QUOTE | | Also I remember reading in the game manual that you cannot use a bind or macro to initiate another bind or macro, so you can't make a bot that does nothing but attack. The closest you can come to doing something like that is set your charcter to follow someone and have one attack on auto. |
That's naive really, anyone could bind some binds if it were possibly but that's not what we generally refer to as "bots".
Bots are programs of themselves, usually written in C++ (which the game itself is also written in) or even pure assembler.
They don't use existing functionality, they create their own and are completely free in doing so.
Yes, systems to make it harder could be implemented but if people put some time in it will become a problem, because in the end there is no way you can completely protect a game against it.
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| 01/23/07 12:15 |
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| QUOTE | Yay! hami raids for villains, about time, LOOK OUT HEROES! VILLAINS HAVE HAMI STACKED POWERS TOO! Muah ha ha ha!
sorry, had to get that off my chest, well i9 looks pretty cool but i hope they have more than just that, and that invention system thing has MAJOR BUG written all over it. |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | You may be right Ruler. CoHs was my first MMOG, and I've had alot of fun with it. But as with the the PvP when they introduced it, Inventions isn't being forced on us, it's an option that is being offered that we can choose to or not to use. |
Games rarely ever force you into anything but that doesn't mean you can turn your back on change.
With things like this you would eventually find yourself falling behind on others if you simply chose to ignore it.
| QUOTE | | Also I remember reading in the game manual that you cannot use a bind or macro to initiate another bind or macro, so you can't make a bot that does nothing but attack. The closest you can come to doing something like that is set your charcter to follow someone and have one attack on auto. |
That's naive really, anyone could bind some binds if it were possibly but that's not what we generally refer to as "bots".
Bots are programs of themselves, usually written in C++ (which the game itself is also written in) or even pure assembler.
They don't use existing functionality, they create their own and are completely free in doing so.
Yes, systems to make it harder could be implemented but if people put some time in it will become a problem, because in the end there is no way you can completely protect a game against it. |
True Julia, there is no real way to protect a game from every little problem. The only real way to guard against such things is for the players to govern themselves, but that is a problem in and of itself.
And on a side note, I have no clue as to what C++ is. I know very little of how a bot works, and I choose not to know becuase I have no interest in making one. I play the game the way I want to. I'm not out to get every little thing in the game, and I really don't want to. I don't awant to get to lvl 50 in 2 weeks, I don't want to gain every badge in the game, and I certainly don't want to lose the respect of fellow players by doing things that are generally not approved (even if it is City of Villians). I just want to play the game, team with other people, and have good time crushing the forces of good. And if these invention and auction house systems are something that people will exploit, then I won't give in to them by doing the job myself. I'll figure out how it works and use to my and my SGs advantage, the way the devs designed it.
And sorry for being naive.
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| 01/23/07 13:32 |
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Geez ill say this and only this about the new invention system:
1) better have a private channel for it, i dont want to have to put up[ with level 50's trying to sell things on broadcast everywhere every 3 seconds, WoW is bad eough as it is it makes you want to mass destroy all the 60's now gonig on 70's ¬_¬
2) Obvious bug-a-rama!
Anyway enough of my pratteling i wonder if that fabeled new mm power is coming?
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| 01/23/07 13:38 |
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If WoW and GW are ANY example, even if they do set a seperate channel for it, it will continue to be broadcasted. I played GW for years and it always had that problem, sellers realized that people would ignore the Trade channel and simply exploited the open one.
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| 01/23/07 13:41 |
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god here coems the old 'guild of merchants' ¬_¬
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| QUOTE | | If WoW and GW are ANY example, even if they do set a seperate channel for it, it will continue to be broadcasted. I played GW for years and it always had that problem, sellers realized that people would ignore the Trade channel and simply exploited the open one. |
Yep, it was terrible in GW and that is not the only example.
Actually the fact that this is not present was the primary reason for me to get into CoX at all.
It's an immense relief to be able to play at least one MMORPG of which the concept is in such a way refreshing that it doesn't have an economy and you don't have to cope with all the problems that come with it.
Not only does it keep you from having to turn off certain chat channels at time simply because you're getting flooded with messages of people trying to sell their rubbish (there's enough of that in RL already) but another thing that greatly impressed me in CoX was the community.
Compared to other MMORPGs I find that in CoX the community overall is endlessly much friendlier and I don't think it's a strange thing to say that that is at least for a good part down to the lack of a market.
Just think of one example: scamming, a common problem in MMORPGs, but if we look at CoX..... what is there right now that you could possible scam someone for?
If Cryptic brings in salvages that can be used to create special items or even powers or whatever those salvages will have value.
Value means wealth if you possess enough of it and even the potential of that brings forth greed - which we all know brings out the worst in people.
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Surprisingly I have a more positive look on this. I don’t think it's going to cause a lot of probs and here's why. Right now not everyone has Hamis and they do take some work to get, but I don’t see a lot of Hami for sale broadcasts. Once you reach L50 and have "outfitted " your toon you don’t have much need for inf, what are you going to buy? You have enh slotted, you likely have a bunch of free costume changes and if you have Hamis you likely have a lot if inf anyway from raids/sfs.. so why would you have greed? Other than feeding some alts which you likely have a lotta inf for anyway what’s the point?
Also its not like the special enh are drops, salvage is and salvage seems semi random. Sure a GM or AV or a TF may give you special salvage, and higher levels may get more but its not like people can camp a gm and get the enh. If people camp GMs or farm AVs what’s the dif between that and a daily Hami raid?
I dont think this is going to be a major problem unless I'm wrong in one of my assumptions. My concerns are the devs will get so wrapped up in this that content updates will suffer. Even some of the "new power sets" that he mentioned are simply heroes getting villain power and the reverse (what posi referred to as low hanging fruit). I would also like to see a little COV love, new starting contacts/missions or zones, more hero groups to fight.
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Meh. I am as anti-gold-farming as you can get, but the Rare Salvage drops will probably only be in missions and we already have plenty of people farming missions for XP/INF/Prestige anyway. ALSO no one can keep you from Rare Salvage Dropping Spawns because YOU CAN GET YOUR OWN MISSIONS! Not like WoW or GW or whatever from what I've read on the subject where you have a group farming a spawn of some sort in some forest somewhere.
Another thing to think about in both CoH and CoV (but especially CoV); we have all the GM's up ALL the time and no one is taking them down. If they do drop Rare Salvage we would finally have people killing the darn things. Bye Bye Lusca! C-Ya Scrappie-Doo! Hasta luego Deathsurge! And if you want the badges all you have to do is hit one of the buggers with a team for 10% of the damage to get it, and no farming team can stop you EVER!
Muahahahahaha! C'mon Gold-Farmers! Bring it you n00bz! I will be laughing at any Chinese Gold-Farming Corp trying to economize CoX. IT CANT HAPPEN! The game isnt set up for it. WE WIN! GOLD FARMERS LOSE! Oh, it is a beautiful day.
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Well there was a new interveiw with posi, and issue 9 is gunna be a big letdown to villains, because still no epic AT's, not a thing mentioned bout em, they are still trying to make the heroes happy from what posi said, i thought they did that in issue 8? guess heroes just arent happy yet. I think we deserve a issue to ourselves like they got in issue 8, sure we got somnethings but they got the better of that issue, i mean heroes have there epics so i think its bout time we got ours. Well that was the bad part of issue 9, good parts are more wings, theres a pic in the interveiw with a skeleton like wings, they look awsome, also villains are getting there own hami zone, Yay! no heroes to have to share with, invention system looks awsome too, cant wait, well there's jsut the basic good facts from the interview, if you want to see the whole thing i have the interveiw posted up in the news section.
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| QUOTE | | Well there was a new interveiw with posi, and issue 9 is gunna be a big letdown to villains, because still no epic AT's, not a thing mentioned bout em, they are still trying to make the heroes happy from what posi said, i thought they did that in issue 8? guess heroes just arent happy yet. I think we deserve a issue to ourselves like they got in issue 8, sure we got somnethings but they got the better of that issue, i mean heroes have there epics so i think its bout time we got ours. Well that was the bad part of issue 9, good parts are more wings, theres a pic in the interveiw with a skeleton like wings, they look awsome, also villains are getting there own hami zone, Yay! no heroes to have to share with, invention system looks awsome too, cant wait, well there's jsut the basic good facts from the interview, if you want to see the whole thing i have the interveiw posted up in the news section. |
We had i7 remember, but seriously heroes had i8 so why cant we now split the balance 50/50 for each?
And if the heroews dont like that i vote we take it to sirens and cover the walls in their blood!
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After reading the Positron interview, I feel very excited about the invention system included in issue 9.
The invention origin enhancements will be rated for your level, so that they will get stronger with higher levels. This will help to prevent the problem of lower-level toons getting all of the good stuff from their higher-level friends, because the bonus just won't be as good for them.
The unique bonuses gained from using sets of enhancements will add a cool new element that will liven up the process of enhancement with new strategies to utilize in finding that perfect enhancement of your abilities. I think this will not over-complicate things, as people can still stick with the current system, but those who want to mess with salvage and formulas will get interesting bonuses to their abilities that will only increase the customizability of the unique natures of their characters.
This whole process will probably be very bug-happy, but will be very cool if it works as he claims it will. I am really looking forward to being able to test out this system. I worry somewhat about what an economy will bring to CoX, but people already trade alot, so maybe it will just help to regulate such activity in a manner that will be more accessable to everyone.
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