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Is it possible to beat Doppelganger with a level 14 W/E? There has to be a way.
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| 01/20/07 23:08 |
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I believe all ya have to do is bring frenzy and you could beat him.....he may attack faster, but max your weapon and strength(with enough points for your shield) and his faster attack wont be enough to outdo the double damage you deal to him.
Although your level 14 so i'm not 100% sure about how well this will do.
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| 01/20/07 23:11 |
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Yes, bring Frenzy and Heal Sig. It will use them both at the same time. x.x
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| 01/20/07 23:17 |
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Just for the fun of it, bring meteor shower. xD He'll frenzy, use MS, when it casts, move and keep attacking him.
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| 01/21/07 00:25 |
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I have tried those methods, and to no avail do I succeed. I have Ascalon 50 armor for damage reduction with a Dwarven Helm for Hammer Master +1. I hear Doppelganger doesn't use hammers so maybe a good hammer build would suffice?
But he hits so damn hard; around 60s, whilst I only hit 10s. Which means by the time he kills me I had only taken 1/6 of his life away.
Is there some way to make him cast useless skills, especially ones with long cast times, so as to keep him from meleeing me to death?
My in game name for this character is Maester Meldon if you want to meet.
I appreciate the help. =]
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| 01/21/07 00:41 |
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the dude is relitively easy, just got to out smart him. with the ele 2nd u could try shoving a bunch of energy skills in, and cuz i am pretty sure he takes on the energy of ur primary prof, he will only have 20 energy. Make it so he does aoe so that u can run out of it to, then just start attacking! Do what i do when i run when u run low on health, move back so he uses a bow, then when ever he shoots move side to side ueing q and e tell u at happy health and cuz he is attacking he should get a regen!
This is a theory, i don't play warrior, and if i do ascen at that lvl, i can just go necro second and let him sac himself to death!
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| 01/21/07 01:05 |
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| QUOTE | the dude is relitively easy, just got to out smart him. with the ele 2nd u could try shoving a bunch of energy skills in, and cuz i am pretty sure he takes on the energy of ur primary prof, he will only have 20 energy. Make it so he does aoe so that u can run out of it to, then just start attacking! Do what i do when i run when u run low on health, move back so he uses a bow, then when ever he shoots move side to side ueing q and e tell u at happy health and cuz he is attacking he should get a regen!
This is a theory, i don't play warrior, and if i do ascen at that lvl, i can just go necro second and let him sac himself to death! |
I'm sorry, but that tacting doesn't work either. He hits 60s on me no matter what. But thanks for the suggestion.
Any other suggestions?
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| 01/21/07 01:12 |
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hmm, do u have any other campighns that u cango to, so that u could change ur 2nd prof. our can u get all the 2nd prof quests after u do all 3 desert missions. It would be a lot easyeir if u had a diffrent 2nd prof
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| 01/21/07 01:18 |
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Your best bet will probably be to go out and level up 3-6 times, then use the Frenzy trick.
Also, you may want to change to a sword or axe build temporarily; just get a collector sword or axe from someplace in the desert and use it. Since he uses an axe no matter what, but seems to be capable of using hammer, sword, and scythe skills, even with Frenzy he'll still attack faster than your hammer will and will probably deal more damage.
Useless skills that you may be able to "convince" him to use include any and all Elementalist Glyphs. Or, you may try giving him block% stances and bringing skills that exploit these stances such as Irresistable Blow, Seeking Blade, or Swift Chop (especially if you also take Warrior's Cunning) since you can deal fun extra effects while not having to deal with them yourself since you won't be using those block% stances.
All in all, though, I'd have to say that you should go out, level a few more times, then bring Frenzy. For a level 20 vs. a level 20, if one attacks 25% faster but takes double damage compared to the other one, that one will lose.
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| 01/21/07 01:23 |
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I just beated him with my build ( Frenzy + healing sig was in it, yes i used tha combo =)) I beated him in the first time.
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| 01/21/07 01:31 |
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| QUOTE | | I just beated him with my build ( Frenzy + healing sig was in it, yes i used tha combo =)) I beated him in the first time. |
What level and professions were you?
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| 01/21/07 01:39 |
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lvl 15-16 i think, was a long time ago
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| 01/21/07 01:40 |
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regardless of what weapons you equip, the doppelganger has a chaos axe, and a ... bow, i cant remember the exact type, but its a very good one. regardless of your attributes, the doppelganger's are maxed. also, he CAN use hammer/sword attacks with his axe as if he had a hammer/sword. take few skills, and the ones you do take, make sure they have long casting times. its to your benefit to level 4-5 times, as he'll deal more damage due to the differences in your levels. its just like hittin a creature that's 6 or more levels less than you. you'll hit for WAY more than the damage cap on your weapon.
try takin disruption skills, and long casting ele spells. with frenzy and healin sig.
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| 01/21/07 01:44 |
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| QUOTE | Your best bet will probably be to go out and level up 3-6 times, then use the Frenzy trick.
Also, you may want to change to a sword or axe build temporarily; just get a collector sword or axe from someplace in the desert and use it. Since he uses an axe no matter what, but seems to be capable of using hammer, sword, and scythe skills, even with Frenzy he'll still attack faster than your hammer will and will probably deal more damage.
Useless skills that you may be able to "convince" him to use include any and all Elementalist Glyphs. Or, you may try giving him block% stances and bringing skills that exploit these stances such as Irresistable Blow, Seeking Blade, or Swift Chop (especially if you also take Warrior's Cunning) since you can deal fun extra effects while not having to deal with them yourself since you won't be using those block% stances.
All in all, though, I'd have to say that you should go out, level a few more times, then bring Frenzy. For a level 20 vs. a level 20, if one attacks 25% faster but takes double damage compared to the other one, that one will lose. |
The point is to beat him so I will ascend to level 19 quicker.
What about if I take Bonetti's Defense which allows me to evade 75% of melee attacks and bring also a skill that I can use to disable Bonetti's Defense when Doppelganger tries to use it. I would prefer a non-elite skill, either warrior or elementalist. That way, since my Strength is 11-12 I can use
Power Attack which hits +32 every two seconds in between Sever Artery and Gash.
What warrior and elementalist skill-disrupting skills could I use (remember I prefer non-elite skills, for the point is to beat him at a lower level).
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| 01/21/07 01:44 |
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He will use bonneti's defense too
You can also use your second proffesion for killing him:
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* Bring lots of skills with very long cast times, and only one or two spammable skills. The Doppelganger will usually focus on the slow-casting skills and allow you to gain the advantage by wise use of the spammable skills. This is not foolproof, but the AI tends to use all of its skills relatively evenly, whereas a human is smart enough to focus on different skills at different times. For example, Fireball and Fire Storm are good choices if you take Meteor Shower - hammer at it while it casts Meteor Shower, then dodge out of the way when the skill completes. By the time it has finished you will have a huge health advantage.
* Do not equip skills that could disrupt your spell casting (like Gale or Earthquake).
* Bring Mark of Rodgort and a weapon that deals fire damage; the Doppelganger doesn't have a fire weapon, so you will have the advantage.
* An Elementalist/Mesmer could take elemental spells and Physical Resistance, letting the Doppelganger use Physical Resistance. The extra damage caused should give you an advantage.
* An Elementalist/Mesmer could bring Blinding Flash and Empathy, causing the Doppelganger to miss with its attacks while dealing damage to itself at the same time.
* Bring Flare only and spam it on the Doppelganger. Make sure all of your attribute points are in Fire Magic and Energy Storage.
* Bring Meteor Shower and Attunements. Hopefully the Doppelganger will spend time casting the Attunement spells, while you cast Meteor Shower. This is a risky strategy as sometimes the Doppelganger opens with Meteor Shower, but if it does so just dodge out of the way. The Doppelganger doesn't have the intelligence to dodge the meteors.
* Bring Swirling Aura, which gives a 50% chance to block arrows. You're not using a bow, so it gives you a significant advantage.
* Bring Maelstrom. The Doppelganger won't get out of its way and you can shut down its spellcasting for 10 seconds. Just don't stand in it yourself if the Doppelganger casts it.
* The Doppelganger will prioritize the skills to the left side of the skill bar. Bring Attunements and other skills like Conjure Frost and Conjure Flame. Put them on the left side of the skill bar. Put Meteor Shower and Arcane Echo on the far right side of the skill bar. When the match starts use Arcane Echo then Meteor Shower then the copied Meteor Shower. The Doppelganger won't use Meteor Shower too early (if it does, just move), it would rather buff its useless attributes and it isn't smart enough.
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* Although the Doppelganger wields an axe, it can still use sword and hammer attacks.
* Equip Frenzy but don't use it. The Doppelganger will use it, putting itself at a significant disadvantage in the one-on-one fight. Couple this with a few energy-based attacks which you can use right away (such as Power Attack, Seeking Blade, Irresistible Blow, Swift Chop, Griffon's Sweep, etc.) and the Doppelganger should go down in 15 seconds or less.
* The Doppelganger does not use a shield, so bringing skills that require a shield (such as Shield Stance) gives a significant advantage.
* Equip an attack combo from left to right in reverse order (such as Final Thrust, Gash, Sever Artery). The Doppelganger doesn't understand the order certain skills should be used in, and prioritizes them from left to right on the bar when they are charged.
* Any skills that cause you to lose all adrenaline (such as Wild Blow) can be a great benefit. Ignore them yourself and let the Doppelganger waste its own adrenaline using them on you.
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| 01/21/07 01:50 |
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savage slash or something forget were to get it, just know it is a warrior interupt
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| 01/21/07 01:52 |
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The point is to beat him so I will ascend to level 19 quicker.
What about if I take Bonetti's Defense which allows me to evade 75% of melee attacks and bring also a skill that I can use to disable Bonetti's Defense when Doppelganger tries to use it. I would prefer a non-elite skill, either warrior or elementalist. That way, since my Strength is 11-12 I can use
Power Attack which hits +32 every two seconds in between Sever Artery and Gash.
What warrior and elementalist skill-disrupting skills could I use (remember I prefer non-elite skills, for the point is to beat him at a lower level). |
Remember that he uses the same skills you do, so if you take Bonetti's and an anti-stance skill, he'll use it too.
Bring Shield Stance, if you have it. The Doppleganger doesn't use a shield, and won't get the benefit out of it.
Also, if you use a sword, you can bring Sever Artery/Gash/Final Thrust. But place them in reverse order, Final Thrust/Gash/Sever Artery. The dopple doesn't understand conditionals for those attacks.
And, as already suggested, bring Frenzy.
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| 01/21/07 01:54 |
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to cswelle (to lazy to quote u) that would work well but remeber between the down time for sheild stance (lol not into warrior so not sure if there a down time) he will be getting hit 60's cuz of his armor, if he was willing, unless this is ur first char, to go to kieang for max armor, that should help a lot!
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| 01/21/07 01:58 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE |
The point is to beat him so I will ascend to level 19 quicker.
What about if I take Bonetti's Defense which allows me to evade 75% of melee attacks and bring also a skill that I can use to disable Bonetti's Defense when Doppelganger tries to use it. I would prefer a non-elite skill, either warrior or elementalist. That way, since my Strength is 11-12 I can use
Power Attack which hits +32 every two seconds in between Sever Artery and Gash.
What warrior and elementalist skill-disrupting skills could I use (remember I prefer non-elite skills, for the point is to beat him at a lower level). |
Remember that he uses the same skills you do, so if you take Bonetti's and an anti-stance skill, he'll use it too.
Bring Shield Stance, if you have it. The Doppleganger doesn't use a shield, and won't get the benefit out of it.
Also, if you use a sword, you can bring Sever Artery/Gash/Final Thrust. But place them in reverse order, Final Thrust/Gash/Sever Artery. The dopple doesn't understand conditionals for those attacks.
And, as already suggested, bring Frenzy. |
I tried putting Sever Artery and Gash in reverse order (thuse Gash/Server Artery) but he uses them correctly. Do I need Final Thrust for that method to work?
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| 01/21/07 02:30 |
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| QUOTE | The point is to beat him so I will ascend to level 19 quicker.
What about if I take Bonetti's Defense which allows me to evade 75% of melee attacks and bring also a skill that I can use to disable Bonetti's Defense when Doppelganger tries to use it. I would prefer a non-elite skill, either warrior or elementalist. That way, since my Strength is 11-12 I can use
Power Attack which hits +32 every two seconds in between Sever Artery and Gash.
What warrior and elementalist skill-disrupting skills could I use (remember I prefer non-elite skills, for the point is to beat him at a lower level). |
I'm not sure if you noticed or not dude but bonettie's defence takes 10 adreniline to use it that means he needs to HIT YOU 10 times and thats prolly alomst enough to kill your lil 14. Also if you bring a stance ripping type skill that can remove a stance he will use it on you as well so neither of you will hit each other asuming you live long enough to get bonettie's up.
Your best bet if going to be to gain at least 2 more lvl's and try the frenzy/heal sig trick with sever and gash. at your lvl you just won't be able to do enough dmg to kill him let alone get any of the time bonuses for PWNING him in say 30 sec's. You might lvl a couple times from killing him but it seems like you think you might get up to 5 lvl's from killing him. who told ya this man cause i never heard of 5 lvl's from the doppleganger.
And if you have a second campain like factions go get yourself some max armor it'll help alot.
sry if i seem kinda rude was not intending to be.
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| 01/21/07 08:00 |
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level 14 should be high enough to beat him :)
best ive done is with a mesmer, i was lvl 14 after beating him lol, i think i was lvl 9 before the fight.
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| 01/21/07 08:19 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | The point is to beat him so I will ascend to level 19 quicker.
What about if I take Bonetti's Defense which allows me to evade 75% of melee attacks and bring also a skill that I can use to disable Bonetti's Defense when Doppelganger tries to use it. I would prefer a non-elite skill, either warrior or elementalist. That way, since my Strength is 11-12 I can use
Power Attack which hits +32 every two seconds in between Sever Artery and Gash.
What warrior and elementalist skill-disrupting skills could I use (remember I prefer non-elite skills, for the point is to beat him at a lower level). |
I'm not sure if you noticed or not dude but bonettie's defence takes 10 adreniline to use it that means he needs to HIT YOU 10 times and thats prolly alomst enough to kill your lil 14. Also if you bring a stance ripping type skill that can remove a stance he will use it on you as well so neither of you will hit each other asuming you live long enough to get bonettie's up.
Your best bet if going to be to gain at least 2 more lvl's and try the frenzy/heal sig trick with sever and gash. at your lvl you just won't be able to do enough dmg to kill him let alone get any of the time bonuses for PWNING him in say 30 sec's. You might lvl a couple times from killing him but it seems like you think you might get up to 5 lvl's from killing him. who told ya this man cause i never heard of 5 lvl's from the doppleganger.
And if you have a second campain like factions go get yourself some max armor it'll help alot.
sry if i seem kinda rude was not intending to be. |
Good point(s).
Sorry, but I haven't played in a year and want to get back in the game quicker (and trying to beat him at a lower level for fun).
And, from my experience, he should give 50,000 XP. If you look at an experience chart or use the game's formula (which is known from discrete mathematics, particularily generating functions) then you will be at lvl 19 or RIGHT below it.
Nah, your not rude.
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| 01/21/07 13:39 |
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do you have Factions b/c I capped shadow form and brought it along at 0 shadow arts so it lasts 5 seconds after I hit him a few times he uses it and after 5 seconds he has only 5 health left
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With W/E it would be hard. With the new buffs bring shield stance since the recharge is a hecka lot shorter so you have close to no down time. Frenzy Healsig is the best way, but with the armor you have it's gonna be hard.
quit gw for good. end of story.
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| QUOTE | | do you have Factions b/c I capped shadow form and brought it along at 0 shadow arts so it lasts 5 seconds after I hit him a few times he uses it and after 5 seconds he has only 5 health left |
he's a warrior/ele, no way to change second profession till you've ascended ;)
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| QUOTE | level 14 should be high enough to beat him :)
best ive done is with a mesmer, i was lvl 14 after beating him lol, i think i was lvl 9 before the fight. |
I was lvl 12 with my monk and beat him...took forever yo figure out how.
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DUNNO IF THIS STILL WORKS..
here is an idea i used it with my warrior, mind you i got ran to droks got the armor first, then kill him.
heres wat u do:
bring frenzy + heal sig and some attack skills and sheild stance.
walk up with an axe/sword
take out a bow (keep it out for like 5 secs)
take out axe/sword again and kill him
he can only change weps once (thats the way it was) and so he will frenzy still, but that really dont change much for dmg output, and if it does, then bring sheilds up
hope this helps
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| 01/21/07 14:43 |
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I suyggest you get to lvl 20. THats's what I did. Also, I was run to droks and had full armor set, etc. This helped outa lot because he cna't do all that kidna crazy damage to you. So yeah. You gotta get to lvl 20 at least I think. Otherwise, a warrior will havea heckuva time beating him becuase he just plain out dishes out more damage than you can take...
BUt when you ARE there (I had a w/ele and beat it first try) bring meteor storm. Cast it first. Make him bleed, gash, all the good stuff. Just beat him down, and heal using Heal Sig, and everythin' like that. It wasn't hard at all and I think it can be easily done again. Also, is there any way you can get armor that's above 50?? I don't think 50 armor will save you here.
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| 01/21/07 14:52 |
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I found the vest way o do this was to unequip all skills, or use pointless things like ressurect and signets of capture.
I did this with a necro warrior and a max damage hammer with full points. I found this way easier than trying to best his tactics as he couldnt use any.
Hope this helps if you are still there,
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| 01/21/07 14:56 |
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I found the vest way o do this was to unequip all skills, or use pointless things like ressurect and signets of capture.
I did this with a necro warrior and a max damage hammer with full points. I found this way easier than trying to best his tactics as he couldnt use any.
Hope this helps if you are still there,
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