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maddog199
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I'm doing research on Cantha, Elona and Tyria when i suddenly found this:
1450 CC Cantha's embassy formally closed in Ascalon City.
1412 CC Long-standing trade agreements between the Tyrian kingdoms and the Canthan Empire dissolved by imperial decree.
1382 CC Shiro Tagachi slain in the Harvest Temple of Cantha after killing Emperor Angsiyan. The bloodline is unbroken when his son Hanjai (Kisu's great-great grandfather) ascends to the throne.
731 CC Cantha begins trading with Tyria.
This is directly copied from GuildWars.com.
So does this mean that the murderd Emperor was not the guy we we're told he was. We know the Canthans citizens would never talk bad about their Emperor.
Would this affect history being wirtten down?
I personaly started doubting Shiro as a betrayer when we saw the in-game cinematic where Shiro is declared the Personal Bodyguard off him. Something in his voice is creepy.
Other opinions anybody?
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| 02/13/07 12:26 |
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vorsty
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| QUOTE | | So does this mean that the murderd Emperor was not the guy we we're told he was. |
what do you mean by this? cause i dont get it ...
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| 02/13/07 12:31 |
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Mordakaida
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Maybe shiro was not the bad guy and the Emperor was really going to kill him and shiro just acted early in defence.. who knows but would be a twist.
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| 02/13/07 12:32 |
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Brynden
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I don't really know where you get from that that he's a bad guy. Though the factions storyline is somewhat unclear. It definitely makes Shiro out to be a bad guy, though in fact he was manipulated by the fortune teller, who I think is a servant of Abaddon (I think there is a quest about the Demon Fortune Teller in the Realm of Torment). Then Shiro wants to come back and get revenge since he feels wronged. So it would seem that he isn't in fact evil, but was just tainted by Abaddon. I'd say the same goes for the Lich. They said that the first three chapters were a trilogy, and that Nightfall ties up all loose ends, so it would seem that the events that occurr in the prophecies and factions campaigns, and even hundreds of years earlier, were all brought about by Abaddon setting up his return to power. So I would have to say that the emperor Shiro killed was not a bad guy, and that he wasn't actually planning to kill Shiro, that was just what the fortune teller told him so he would kill the emperor, which obviously fit nicely into Abaddon's plan, since dead, Shiro is that much easier for Abaddon to control.
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| 02/13/07 12:32 |
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The Warrior Of Timi
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maybe in the cinematics with the fortune teller she told him he should act fast because he was going to kill him
From GuildWiki:
| QUOTE | | However, the old woman then warns Shiro that Emperor Angsiyan is going to kill him during the Harvest Ceremony at Kuan Jun Temple. She predicts that the Emperor will kill him, if he does not kill the Emperor first. Shiro is outraged by this, and murders the Fortune Teller. |
Btw the pieces you got aren't on wiki
***THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED***
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| 02/13/07 12:36 |
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maddog199
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Well nobody actually knows what happens every year at the Harvest Temple, before Shiro and after, because nobody is alowed inside except the Imperial Ritualist. Even the loyal Canthan Army had to stay outside.
Then the Emperor would be the badguy and Shiro just another poor corrupted soul? Weird thing is that Shiro both is good and evil.
After being corrupted by Abaddon, he's no longer the good guy who would fight for the Canthan People. But HE was infact doing good at the same time because Cantha was going to be isolated, embassy clossing, trade stopping,...
Impossible? Hardly
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| 02/13/07 12:39 |
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Keo
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History is mostly written by the winner.
Who wrote this?
^_^
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| 02/13/07 13:28 |
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The Leprechaun
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Does that mean before candy cane or something? xD
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| 02/13/07 13:28 |
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puffydog
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| QUOTE | | Maybe shiro was not the bad guy and the Emperor was really going to kill him and shiro just acted early in defence.. who knows but would be a twist. |
************SPOILER**************** MOO
If you have ever done the quest History of Violence or even payed attantion to what it said, you'd know that Shiro was tricked by Abbadon. The fortuneteller was his lame 'agent' that tricked him into killing.
Transformeurs, more than meets the eye.
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| 02/13/07 13:30 |
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Wimson
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| QUOTE | | Maybe shiro was not the bad guy and the Emperor was really going to kill him and shiro just acted early in defence.. who knows but would be a twist. |
No, there's a quest in Realm of Torment where you have to hunt the spirit of the fortune teller which was sent by Abbadon to tell Shiro that the Emperor was going to kill him in at the Harvest Ceremony. This was untrue, Abbadon just wanted the Emperor dead.
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| 02/13/07 14:44 |
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Karoqian
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| QUOTE | | No, there's a quest in Realm of Torment where you have to hunt the spirit of the fortune teller which was sent by Abbadon to tell Shiro that the Emperor was going to kill him in at the Harvest Ceremony. This was untrue, Abbadon just wanted the Emperor dead. |
Why didn't he do it himself then? he needed shiro for that ofcourse, so shiro was still tricked.
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| 02/13/07 21:21 |
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NecroRebel
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Shiro actually wasn't evil in life, though after death his actions are pretty thoroughly evil. In truth, killing the Fortune Teller was the first "bad" act that we've been shown him committing. Really, though, whether or not his Emperor was planning on killing him, killing the Emperor in self-defense WAS an evil act because Shiro could have easily avoided that circumstance altogether.
Consider this scenario: Shiro, a Warrior and merchant's guard by profession, is guarding a merchant's caravan as it passes through part of Kaineng City, when the Fortune Teller spots and approaches him (this is canon; part of the Vizunah Square opening cinematic). The Fortune Teller tells him that his deeds will be spoke of for a long time (true), that his swords will be sought by many (also true), and that soon fortune will come his way. Shortly thereafter, fortune comes his way in the form of gold coins from a kicked bucket (also part of that same cinematic). Later, he goes back to the Fortune Teller and she tells him that the Emperor will soon make Shiro his personal bodyguard. Then, the Emperor makes Shiro his personal bodyguard (also canon; this is included in Sunjiang District's opening cine). At this point, since the Fortune Teller's prophetic abilities would be pretty firmly established in anyone's mind, Shiro returns to her again for more prophecies. She then tells him that the Emperor plans to kill him (yet again, canon; not 100% sure which cine it is, but I think it's Sunjiang's ending).
Now is where Shiro goes down the path towards evil. Rather than ensuring that he would never be at the Harvest Ceremony (which the Fortune Teller specifically told him to avoid with her dying breath), he decided to go there anyway. This choice, which entailed doing his duty rather than abandoning it (and doing one's duty is usually considered a "good" act), was actually more critical to the later events than his later choice to kill the Emperor. Had he not been at the Harvest Ceremony, the Emperor wouldn've have died at all, and it's likely that one Shiro Tagachi would have lived longer. It's entirely possible that Shiro would've done many heroic acts, since the prophecies about his deeds being spoken of for generations and his swords being sought by many would still be in place.
Of course, breaking his duty to guard the Emperor may have made the Emperor send out an execution order... But as the story stands, we have no evidence whatsoever that implies that the Emperor had been going to kill Shiro. Further, it's quite likely that even if Shiro was marked for death that no one would actually be able to defeat him since he defeated at least a dozen Canthan Royal Guards singlehandedly and rather quickly, which might've made him infamous as a terrible criminal, but still wouldn't have technically been evil.
In short, Shiro = not evil until he chooses to go to the Harvest Temple. Kind of a dumb villain, really.
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| 02/13/07 22:24 |
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Karoqian
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Though there's another thing about the above statement, it all sounds true, but why did the emperor take Shiro inside the harvest temple, in a cinematic the guard says NO-one except the emperor can go in. So what was the emperor planning to do? Was he trusting Shiro that much or something else?
I think this information is lacking in the above mentioned post.
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| 02/14/07 07:47 |
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Wimson
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| QUOTE | Though there's another thing about the above statement, it all sounds true, but why did the emperor take Shiro inside the harvest temple, in a cinematic the guard says NO-one except the emperor can go in. So what was the emperor planning to do? Was he trusting Shiro that much or something else?
I think this information is lacking in the above mentioned post. |
I must agree to this. If the Emperor didn't say that there was a change of plans and let Shiro inside the Temple, he wouldn't be killed(see cinematic when you enter Unawaking Waters, voices of the Emperor, Fortune Teller and the Temple Guard).
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| 02/14/07 12:54 |
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