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Mesmer Master

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Many of you have probably formed your own opinions about mesmers. In fact Mesmers are probably the most stereotyped. It seems more ppl are more interested in using mesmers with monk or necro abilities. Whenever a new combination of a mesmer mixed another profession presents itself. Ppl become jerks. I used my Mesmer / Warrior Character (pVe) in the team arenas one day. And everybody started walking away from me. Hah! I asked a few ppl what was going on. And the replies I got back was Mes/War are noobish! Your never going get invited into a team! Oh yeah? Then why are Mesmer Warriors used in the Zaishen Challenges?

Another day I went into the arena with a Mesmer / Ranger. This time I went into the Random Arena. You wouldnt believe I was always the last one standing! And I brought along my pet wolf and annoyed the crap out of ppl! Haha degen, energy burn, interupt, blackout and a pet wolf. Ppl hate the wolf part. They always say get this f$#$% off me.

It just baffles me that ppl are looking for the sure thing, the easiest way to win.

People forget the basics of any profession or character is Energy and Health Management. It starts with your equipemnt and carries over to your build. And in the end this should help you define your tatics.

I admit a fast casting rezer is cool, but what a waste if thats all you need a mesmer for.

The highest crafted mesmer armour rating is around 60, add a few runes and you could get it up 80 and add a rune for decrease damage. Now you have a illusionary tank! I can see you now rolling your eyes.

Whatever you think of Mesmers, know that anything works! It only fails because you failed. There are lot of Mesmer Skills to choose from, stop using the basic / free ones you get in the begining. Buy new ones and do the quests to unlock the best skills.

And for my next Mesmer, a Mesmer Ritualist! Now thats unconventional!

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3-14-07
This is one of my first posts, and I probably wasn't in the right frame of mind when I wrote this. (I'm laughing at some of the stuff I wrote.) I think I was just venting out frustration over creating a build that works in PvP. However, I am really impressed over the vast comments , advice and tips that were posted on this thread. PvP really is a different game altogether.

One final thought about Unconventional Mesmers, I do believe Mesmers should stick to what they're good. And I think theyre some limitations on what you can do with a Mesmer (atleast for most of us). But I am constantly amazed on the solo Mesmers that are still out there, despite some of the nerfs on the Mesmer Skills.

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02/20/07 14:25

Aeron_Archer

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

yea i kno how ppl hate mesmers. their usually the first to die, and the last to be invited in parties. i like using original builds,(ex.illusionary assassin,touch monk, iway hammer) lol. its what keeps me going in pvp, if ppl keep on using the same builds, it gets nerfed, so to stop that, ppl have to be original. and gl on the mesmer/rit. and Welcome to Gameamp!

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02/20/07 14:32

great inferno

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

got a lvl 20 mesmer myself to. he owns.

altough i prefer my ele for damage, my mesmer is good at e-denial, frustration and interupts ;)

IMO, its a pvp proffesion, but can own a boss solo with the right skill set

02/20/07 14:42

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

yeah lotsa ppl dont like mesmers and i admit if u got a good build and can use it wel then u will own allot

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02/20/07 14:45

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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Then why are Mesmer Warriors used in the Zaishen Challenges?

Because IW mesmers were a common build in RA. A common build which was horrible.

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The highest crafted mesmer armour rating is around 60, add a few runes and you could get it up 80 and add a rune for decrease damage. Now you have a illusionary tank! I can see you now rolling your eyes.

An insignia can get it up to 70AL vs physical and 60vs elemental, or vise versa. Runes of absorption are warrior only.

Mesmers are the shutdown class of guildwars, their DPS is rather bad and so is their armor. They are a support class in primary function.

Welcome to Gameamp, good luck with your memser.

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02/20/07 14:48

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

I still pwn ppl in AB with my IW neutral mesmer they hate m e... Every time I get shouts at me that I suck >_< but still im last one standing>_<

02/20/07 14:54

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

I definitely agree with Rogue. Mesmers have bad armor(60 AL) and they are very squishy. They don't do much besides degen or e-denial which is what they are supposed to do because it's what they do best. With their fast casting they can be on heck of a hexer. People don't like it when you interchange classes because if you take away a profession's primary attribute(divine favor, soul reaping, energy storage, fast casting, mysticism etc.) then it's very hard to work effectively as one. For example if you were a fast casting monk you would heal for almost nothing because divine favor makes a monk a good healer/protector. That's why mesmers stick to degen and E-Denial because it's hard for another class to do that.

IW is a horrible build for PvP. The reason it's in the Zaishen is because it's very easy to beat. If someone strips an echantment what are you gonna do, wait for the recharge? It's just not effective.

People hate it when you interchange because it isn't nearly as effective as if you were an ele with energy storage instead of a mesmer with fast casting ele spells. I myself don't like it when people try to be another class because as I've said before it's pretty much useless so if you're a mesmer stick to domination and illusion.

quit gw for good. end of story.

02/20/07 14:54

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Also remember the skills Mesmers have:

Physical Resistance Stance. For 30...78 seconds, you gain +40 armor against physical damage, but you lose 24...14 armor against elemental damage.

Mantra of {Insert Element Here} Stance. For 30...78 seconds, whenever you take {element} damage, the damage is reduced by 26...45% and you gain 2 Energy.

Use Savant's armor (Armor +10 While In Stance)

*shrug*

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02/20/07 14:56

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Yea people say mesmers suck and they are so wrong. i got my mesmer to lvl 20 in one month. he has been the easiest and most fun character ive owned besides my ele and war. And people in the arenas tell me i suck because i killed them. I really dont kill them. You see my Empathy and Backfire does it for me....

Empathy: Warrior with frenzy thinking hes cool and invincible, ah lets say hes taken care of in a matter of 12 seconds.

Backfire: E/Mo thinking they can heal and become the hero that saves the team. Taken care of in 10-20 seconds.

That owns.

And i would like to add, back long ago, (rofl one month) i was lvl 7 in ascalon arena and had a tremendous amount of Fast Casting due to rune+mask and favored more twords is through attribs..and i had the monk unlinked res, i resed so fast someone from the opposing team pm-ed me "im gonna report you for using unbalanced class and hacks for casting time" i said, sure take of a screen of my chara, include that i was Me/Mo and see how far you get. Lol im sure this guy was new to the game, because anyone playing for at least a few months should know by now that mesmers have..oh what do you call it again? .. Fast casting..yea thats right....Mesmers Suck? Pshhhh!

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02/20/07 15:08

cswella

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Part of the hate that's given to Mesmers is because it takes skill to play a mesmer effectively, and most people don't trust the skills of other people.

**Playing Devil's Advocate**

But, that's their choice. They don't have to take a mesmer if they don't want to. Just like you have the choice to use unconventional builds, they have the choice to pick conventional builds.

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Then why are Mesmer Warriors used in the Zaishen Challenges?

Those mesmers in the Zaishen Challenge are pushovers, I wouldn't base my opinions of them on the Zaishen.

But don't try to be too unconventional, there's a point where you lose sight of what a mesmer's best at. Illusionary Weaponry or use of pets may be cool, but if you're taking from the Mesmer's best abilities, you end up less of a threat to enemies.

My personal formula is for every extra attribute you put points into after 2-3, your effectiveness is cut by 50%.

I admit, I felt a bit of a wince when you talked about your Me/R. Personally, if you're gonna run your pet as damage, go ranger. Not because it's noobish to do Me/R, but because it's more effective to do it with a ranger.

I really believe that people shouldn't try to be a elementalist on a mesmer. Elementalists do it so much better because of Energy Storage and 12+ attributes.

A while ago, we had a Ranger on our team who used Meteor Shower and Meteor. Which was great for the first 10 seconds of battle, then he was too exhausted to do anything.

I like Illusionary Weaponry, but I haven't used it much recently because with all the anti-enchants, it's too easy to get rolled.

IW mesmers put a ton of strain on monks, since it adds a new melee char who isn't as safe as a Warrior/Dervish/Assassin. You may be able to get 86 AL on your mesmer, but a warrior easily tops 100 or a dervish can get over 100.

How in the world do you get runes that decrease damage? The Knight's Insignia only works on warrior armor.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, unconventional builds are cool and interesting, but do they mesh with your team? Guild Wars is not a solo game.

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Also remember the skills Mesmers have:

Physical Resistance Stance. For 30...78 seconds, you gain +40 armor against physical damage, but you lose 24...14 armor against elemental damage.

Not sure about your experiences, but I've never met a fully physical team. There's always a damage dealer doing elemental damage and that loss could really hurt. Same goes for Elemental Resistance.

I would never use Elemental/Physical Resistance in AB for an IW mesmer. Too easy to get killed.

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02/20/07 15:09

Chrisworld

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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Part of the hate that's given to Mesmers is because it takes skill to play a mesmer effectively

Thats true but IMO, all you have to know is in PvE monsters, watch the skills they use gather whos a caster whos a ranger whos a warrior and let the mesmers skills rip into action basically same with PvP only advantage is you have frenzy happy warriors and spell crazy Eles, plus you have people that dont know true effectiveness of enchantment stripping and spell intrrupt, until they get kicked in the face by a "sucky" mesmer. My stepbro who has played for a year and a few months was shocked when i showed him how easy and good mesmers were. Now this is really my opinion, but, Mesmers are true power.

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02/20/07 15:13

Chrisworld

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Double post...grrrr

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02/20/07 15:13

michaelw

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Does anyone know any good mesmer builds for my m8's mesmer, he has factions and prophecies and only uses the skills he started with? I can lend him any money he needs to buy capture sigs or buy skills so be inventive.

02/20/07 15:20

GameMaiden

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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I bow to anyone's expertise in the Arenas. I rarely join PvP myself, only for the occasional AB with guildies, so my experience mostly comes from the PvE side of the game, as I run PvE events for my guild mainly. Can't advise on PvP builds :-)

My mesmer isn't terribly squishy, depending on how she is set up at the time. I play a 'typical' Me/Mo...good ol' degen, shutdown, interrupt, rezmer...and I have on occasion stepped in as patch healer and bonder in tight situations. *shrug*

My main grip is that I seem to get more mob aggro on my mesmer than on my monk.

02/20/07 15:21

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

+ Cred for being original.

Mesmers are a great class. Without all the classes in the game, teams would fall apart. Energy denial is a great way to shut down monks/eles.

I have a mesmer and love the variety they bring to the team.

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02/20/07 15:22

cswella

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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Part of the hate that's given to Mesmers is because it takes skill to play a mesmer effectively

I'm talking about strategy in pvp. You need to know skills by their icons so you can interrupt what you need to and bypass what you don't. Or know if it's worth it to E-Surge the warrior who's spamming energy skills.

If you're working on killing a monk, you have to know to not interrupt Infuse Health but wait for Zealous Benediction.

Interrupt-Happy mesmers who aren't that strategic may work for general pve / pvp, but against a good team won't be effective.

I have never had the luck to encounter a Frenzy / Healing Signet warrior in HA. If they use Frenzy, they know what they're doing and hit Rush or some other stance.

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02/20/07 15:22

Charlotte The Harlot

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

one of the reasons mesmers arnt so popular is you cant get one build and run it fairly effectively throughout the whole game like a b/p ranger or woh monk will work just about anywhere but an interupt mesmer works great in a place like FoW but wont do much in areas with mostly melee and ranged enemies like dunes of despair or w.e, players tend to like just going from place to place with the same build.

I do have a pretty good PvE mesmer interupter now but it only works in some situations in the others my other pve mes builds seem to be average but not great.

Another great thing about mesmers is they are the only class that can easily interupt a 1 second cast and interupt on skill a 3/4 second cast. rangers cant interupt 1 sec but you really have to watch and a 3/4 or lower cast is basically impossible unless you get lucky.

02/20/07 15:39

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

Welcome to Gameamp, Mesmer Master!

We hope you enjoy this corner of the cyberspace universe. :p

On Topic:
Mesmers are one of the most misunderstood and underestimated professions in GW, my opinion of course. They're true strength is their ability to cast almost anything in no time due to the Fast Casting attribute. But that's only the tip of the iceberg (so they say). You can run a persistence degen, an e-deial build, a interrupt build or a general anti melee build-or a lil bit of any of the two. A lot of versatility.

But that ability is very dependent on the player's ability to play the profession. It's not easy to play one, but is quite a rewarding experience.

I've liked them so much, I have 2. They drain my inventory of black dyes and constantly demand better looking 'elegant' clothes, I mean armor. :p

02/20/07 16:13

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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ouch on that one,,, I mean ouch :(

I went through profecie and faction using the same built not modifying anything

basically it was this

conjure phantasm
phantom pain
energy tap
ether feast
heal party
rebirth
and 2 varied interupts (depending where)

but the main were always the same

then after a bit I got into thinking a bit and went to cap elites, I had fun, so I switched ether feast for crippling anguish,,, worked wonders again

and now yes I am lacking inginiuity but what the heck

Migraine
conjure phantasm
phantom pain
image of remorse
energy tap
rebirth
2 varient interupts

that built got me and most of my alliance through NF

mesmer are misunderstood by many, the other day I was laughed at in desert because I had over 90% of tyria explored, "but you a mesmer" ,,, so...

regardless of what the other say I enjoy trying to match monks or necro built to a mesmer, it is though, doable but tough, granted my mesmer will NEVER be as good as my monk in healing, bonding, protecting, but as a support monk in rough mission, IE arborstone, I will take my rezmer built there anytime...

but my point is,

A mesmer is foremost hex and de-hex, e-denial, domination, degen/illusion or any combination you feel like

In other words those who knows how to play a mesmer can be a major pain in the you know where for you know who

long live Mesmer !

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My main grip is that I seem to get more mob aggro on my mesmer than on my monk.

lol even mobs are attracted by good looking armor :P

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02/20/07 17:04

Outcast_Of_tyria

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

I love my mesmer it was my first character the build i use with is the Reoccurring soul barbs and i just play around with hexes in PvE and PvP

02/20/07 17:41

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

I find Assassins and Dervishes more sterotyped then Mesmers

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02/20/07 17:48

Aeron_Archer

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

yea i find that mesmers,assassins, and dervishes are the most sterotyped. i hear dervishes are the easiest characters to play,(dont have nf), so anyone who has one is a "noob". Mesmers are sterotyped b/c of their being "squishies", and are rarely needed in PvE, except for the RoF mssions. Assassins are sterotpyed due to the fact, that many "newbies" find the assassin class tempting.(who doesnt XD), and rush and aggro a ton of mobs, which eventually leads to their death and failure of the mission. This adds to why people dont add assassins to their parties, unless it is ABSOULUTELY needed.

02/20/07 18:07

lord_gkar

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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I find Assassins and Dervishes more sterotyped then Mesmers

no offense but if these class are stereotype maybe it is because the way they are played

back when I started close to a year ago, mesmer were near to nowhere to be seen in pre searing then I came to post and many were there, BUT and that is the part of how it is being played, I have never seen someone advertising there mesmer as a tank, because they are not

assassin = quick dmg dealer move in melee port out melee
dervish = self high high dmg dealer

personnaly and maybe because I am too dumb in both of these class but everytime I go in a group with an assassin or dervish Tank we failed, if on the other hand that assassin or dervish knew how to play the build it went great,

so yes all class can be stereotyped, but stereotype start somewhere and often for a good reason

02/20/07 18:07

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

yeah, my friend has a mesmer who can kill just about any character of mine, and im a "GW Veteran" if i do say so myself. i think mesmers are the most powerful class if you can play it right. I really think ppl are just jealous.

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02/20/07 18:14

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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Sure ive got a great Illusion build that can kill quite a few things very quickly
Max out Illusion and fast casting with left overs in inspiration

Shatter Delusions
Conjure Phantasam
Conjure Nightmare
Images of Remorse
Ineptitude
Phantom Pain
Energy Tap
Rez

Start off with Phantom Pain followed by delusions to deep wound them then its all up to you.you can put phantasm on them. let them commit suicide with Ineptitude. Nightmare and remorse them.

A good monk can counter it....for a while but they will still fall eventually.

03/10/07 05:44

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

ok honestly I've read practically none of this, but the reason why people say Me/W are noobish.....is because they kinda are, I mean enchant removal or interrupts (if your on about IW that is btw)will easily counter a IW mesmer, and you meet alot of TA teams with interrupts and enchant removal.

Good in RA not good in TA

Go Dom Dom mesmer xD

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03/10/07 06:12

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

duh.... mesmer are for shutdown... it's normal that iw noob aorund wont get team, it's not really high pressure... constant same dmg, no snare (or almost none) no speed buff, no kd just swinging a blade... easy for a monk to handle, and for the zaishen reference... ther eis vim and iway in the zaishen too...

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03/10/07 06:37

The True Myth

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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and for the zaishen reference... ther eis vim and iway in the zaishen too...

IWAY and VIM are 2 extremly effective and strong builds, compared to IW mesmers.

Mesmer is a great class but i have played Mesmers alot, both in PvP(real pvp, not RA/TA) and PvE and while they can be very effective in PvP they simply arent worth it in PvE.
PvE is all about killing fast, and anyone who says different is wrong. Sure, you can drain the Afflicted Monk's energy but he will still be dead before his energy is low. You can degen that Afflicted Ranger with youir best spells and he still wont die faster than if an ele, necro or warrior attacked him. The only thing a mesmer can be used effectivly in PvE is as a mega-interupter in high-end areas where a interupted Meteor Shower, or a Invoke Lightning by that boss that does doubles dmg, really matters.

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03/10/07 07:08

lord_gkar

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

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Mesmer is a great class but i have played Mesmers alot, both in PvP(real pvp, not RA/TA) and PvE and while they can be very effective in PvP they simply arent worth it in PvE.

well this is cutting to the bone mate

in PVE mesmer can and are as effective as in PVP if used right of course, maybe just maybe you have not met an "effective PVE mesmer" for in my experience they have been neglected in team for the other new class' that many likes but unfortunatly not many masters

there is not 1 mission that I can't do effectivelly with my mesmer, except maybe for the Domain of Anguish because it is alot like many other elite requiring a set team built.

so personnaly I say the above quote should be taken with a grain of salt

03/10/07 11:23

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RE: Unconventional Mesmers

I think that any build you wanna try in the random arena's you should be able to without ridicule. I mean come on...where else can you go to try and perfect a build if not there? If you don't like originality there..stick with team arena's or GVG. I have a lot of fun with my mes and was able to get thru all of prophesies with ease. I like playing with builds myself, more so with her than any other char for some reason. Tho, I am not one to pvp, I have gone to the RA to test them out on occasion. I also seem to work her build around guildies I play with more than any other char. Tho, I have to admit I have never tried Monk as a second with her. lol My only peeve with the mes is that the nerf's are making them less effective than they were when I created my char, while Necro is getting tougher. The Necro also seems to be getting spells that I think should be Mesmer. This is especially so in Nightfall. Regardless tho, next to my ele, who is just fun for the dmg, plus being my first char on the game, I love my Mes and enjoy getting her as tough as can be.

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