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Well, i have a lvl 56 warrior that i like a lot and i want to make another but i was wondering if i should start a pally because i also like to be like sort of a healer on some games also so i cant choose, but maybe if i get some other opinions it will make it easier.
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| 02/22/07 12:50 |
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Honestly, I wouldn’t go either. I would make a druid, they are powerful tanks (Bear form), massive DPS (Cat form), second best healer (second to priest), they also have powerful buffs, and great HoT heals, at level 30 they get a travel form which makes running around much faster, and depending on your talents you can get a Moonkin form (great for spell casting).
They are in my opinion the best class for solo play, simply cause you can cause major damage and heal yourself if needed, I can take on mobs to up 4 levels above me with no problem, all forms are instant cast.
But do not get discouraged just because they can wear leather armor, cause a good druid in bear form sometimes can tank better than a Warrior (depending on talents), same goes for DPS and healing.
In my opinion if you need a character that will give you the flexibility of filling in any roles, may be for instances or just any group go with the druid.
Another option would be a Shaman; they can do a little bit of everything, they can even wear mail and dual wield, they also get a travel form at level 20.
In my opinion, these 2 classes would be better than the paladin for solo play, for filling in roles in different occasions but then again it’s just me.
Also if “I” had to pick I would choose the druid, simply for being so versatile, but good luck!
Edit: Also don't forget that druids have probably the best buff in the game Mark of the Wild and Gift of the Wild, the latter being a group version of the first.
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| 02/22/07 14:11 |
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I have both a Pally and a Shaman and i really like both of them. They both have thier own strengths and weaknesses, how ever if i had to choose one or the other i would go with a Pally.
Pally's while not being good at any one thing they are good at a bunch of different things, if you need an off healer or someone else to tank while you heal the Warrior or if you just like being a support player then you can do that with a pally. Their auras work like the shaman totems and while you can't move with the totems a pally's aura is constantly there, it moves with him or her. They can dish it out and they can take it also, the judgement spells are the best when it comes to taking out someone, and Consecration is the most beneficial spell that you can have in your arsenal.
If i was starting from scratch then i would definitely roll a pally again as my main, thats would be what i would roll.
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| 02/22/07 16:05 |
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I personally wouldn't choose Warrior, Paladin, Shaman, or Druid
Warrior: We've been gimped for ages now, druids can tank better than us, our damage sucks, too gear dependent.
Paladin: Pure rubbish in my opinion - bad damage, not enough tanking skills, healing is poor compared to other classes.
Shaman: The class that has sort of faded into the background, you'll find it hard to find any groups for PvE as other classes can do your job better. Strong in PvP though.
Druid: The gimped class, although TBC has improved itemization slightly, the fact remains that the Druid will be forced to heal in groups 95% of the time - and without gear that other classes will always get priority on, their damage will be low.
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| 02/22/07 18:04 |
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| QUOTE | | I personally wouldn't choose Warrior, Paladin, Shaman, or Druid |
Then what would you choose? He said he wanted a character that would be able to tank/do damage and heal themselves, is there any good class in WoW? O.o
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| 02/22/07 22:35 |
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| QUOTE | Warrior: We've been gimped for ages now, druids can tank better than us, our damage sucks, too gear dependent.
Paladin: Pure rubbish in my opinion - bad damage, not enough tanking skills, healing is poor compared to other classes.
Shaman: The class that has sort of faded into the background, you'll find it hard to find any groups for PvE as other classes can do your job better. Strong in PvP though.
Druid: The gimped class, although TBC has improved itemization slightly, the fact remains that the Druid will be forced to heal in groups 95% of the time - and without gear that other classes will always get priority on, their damage will be low. |
I agree with what you said about the warrior.. Even the felguard's charge is better then the warrior charge -_-
I dont think Paladins are rubbish. They got some great buffs and for sure they are excellent for soloing and not bad in groups either imo.
Shaman is extremely powerfull in PvP :) Can also be very good in PvE imo.
indeed Druids get forced to heal a lot.. however if you're Feral specced you can do some major damage.. My friend has a 70 druid and he's VERY strong with well reasonably good gear.
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| 02/23/07 09:54 |
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| QUOTE | Then what would you choose? He said he wanted a character that would be able to tank/do damage and heal themselves, is there any good class in WoW? O.o
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Well I'm afraid a class that would do all those well simply doesn't exist, yes there are hybrid classes, but they simply don't stand up to the classes that specialize in a certain aspect ^_^
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| 02/23/07 12:20 |
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| QUOTE | Well I'm afraid a class that would do all those well simply doesn't exist, yes there are hybrid classes, but they simply don't stand up to the classes that specialize in a certain aspect ^_^
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True, it would be nice tho ^^
Well but the druid and the shaman are the ones with most potential, simply because they get something form all aspects of the game, decent armor, heals and even speed forms/buffs, and I would take any of these two over a pally anytime. But it's not for me to choose.
I do have to say, that I am very disappointed with the warrior class at least for PvE solo, they have no speed buffs and no self healing whatsoever. It is very annoying to travel with the warrior below level 40 (after that you can get a mount), they are very dependent on potions, and have no particular special benefit form any weapons (come on they are warriors after all).
Anyways I only made it to level 38 with my warrior so it might change after 40 (plate and mount), until then it only has me wishing for more.
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| 02/23/07 13:05 |
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Yea I have a "baby" human warrior (only lvl 15) and I find it hard to just do stuff with him, questing wise, it just seems boring playing as a warrior at low lvls IMO.
Maybe at lvl 20 when I get dual wield, and 40 when I get plate I will find it less boring, but for now, I am just going to stick with my Rogue and Druid.
Pallys are pretty fun to play because they can solo well, and so are druids, but if I had to choose I would choose rolling a Druid, because when playing a Druid it is like playing a tank (bear form) rogue (cat form) and a priest or mage (normal casting form). I love the versatality of a druid
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| 02/23/07 13:52 |
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Paladin. Without any doubt.
You have to know I'm a Paladin guy though.
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| 02/24/07 00:52 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Then what would you choose? He said he wanted a character that would be able to tank/do damage and heal themselves, is there any good class in WoW? O.o
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Well I'm afraid a class that would do all those well simply doesn't exist, yes there are hybrid classes, but they simply don't stand up to the classes that specialize in a certain aspect ^_^ |
You are wrong here. Shadow Spec priests can heal themselves fine. I have a vid of a High Warlord (back when it meant something) PvP'ing (which is harder than solo'ing quests) and he managed to kill effectively while healing themselves. In The Outlands, you will be hard up to find a Holy/Disc priest below level 70 to level with in instances. Which means, your healer, is shadow spec, and they still heal efficiently, but let's not forget, Shadow Priests melt faces, and EVERY class fears them.
EDIT: Although they cannot tank very well (I have seen it), they CAN out-DPS even the mages at times. I have seen shadow priests tank, where as, all they do is heal themselves to hold agro, and that's it.
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| 02/24/07 07:23 |
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My 2 copper for any who wants it...
Warrior: Dead on, with the BC Itemization, I don't know what warriors should do with themselves, as there are better tanks and better dpsers. I dropped my level 67 warrior because of this.
Paladins: Paladins are still fairly solid, and they are getting many more tanking ops in BC, as there are so many demons to fight. One thing you have to keep in mind though, a Paladin can do damage but they are not DPS, they make excellent tanks and very efficent healers. Just don't join the ranks of the retnoobs and you'll be fine.
Shaman: Shamans are both over and underestimated at the same time. They are possibly the best buffers, can do excellent damage, and can be decent healers. However, shamans can take hits, but they cannot tank, much like a Paladin can damage but isn't DPS. Many of the allies (on my server at least) are dropping their shamans as they realize they really arn't 'uber gods', just a well put together class.
Druids: Feral druids are sick at the moment, unlike a warrior they get everything they need rolled into one tree, able to do excellent tanking and physical DPS. As healers they arn't bad either, coming in after any priest and any heal-spec non-priest. Balance tree is still rather sad, but the Resto is classicly good if you decide you want to go mainly healing, and it has excellent synergy with Feral as a secondary tree.
Shadow Priests are good, but they arn't godly either, even less of a Tank than shamans. Shadow Form doesn't offer that much protection, and it has to be dropped to heal beyond VE, as Holy spells arn't castable. Also they have nil AoE. Having said all of that, they are excellent healers and DPSers, and can solo quite well.
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| 02/24/07 10:27 |
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| QUOTE | My 2 copper for any who wants it...
Warrior: Dead on, with the BC Itemization, I don't know what warriors should do with themselves, as there are better tanks and better dpsers. I dropped my level 67 warrior because of this.
Paladins: Paladins are still fairly solid, and they are getting many more tanking ops in BC, as there are so many demons to fight. One thing you have to keep in mind though, a Paladin can do damage but they are not DPS, they make excellent tanks and very efficent healers. Just don't join the ranks of the retnoobs and you'll be fine.
Shaman: Shamans are both over and underestimated at the same time. They are possibly the best buffers, can do excellent damage, and can be decent healers. However, shamans can take hits, but they cannot tank, much like a Paladin can damage but isn't DPS. Many of the allies (on my server at least) are dropping their shamans as they realize they really arn't 'uber gods', just a well put together class.
Druids: Feral druids are sick at the moment, unlike a warrior they get everything they need rolled into one tree, able to do excellent tanking and physical DPS. As healers they arn't bad either, coming in after any priest and any heal-spec non-priest. Balance tree is still rather sad, but the Resto is classicly good if you decide you want to go mainly healing, and it has excellent synergy with Feral as a secondary tree.
Shadow Priests are good, but they arn't godly either, even less of a Tank than shamans. Shadow Form doesn't offer that much protection, and it has to be dropped to heal beyond VE, as Holy spells arn't castable. Also they have nil AoE. Having said all of that, they are excellent healers and DPSers, and can solo quite well. |
Welcome to the WoW side of AMP, DDKat. Insightful look into the classes. However, thanks to itemization in TBC, Dr00ds are the new uber-class, so therefore are the most under-estimated class in the game. People know that Shaman are decent at heals, and I have personally seen them tank in 5-man content, but the druid, I've seen them out heal a Holy/Disc priest, and then respec and regear to out tank a prot spec warrior.
I, myself, was one of the people accused of getting the better end of the TBC content, as a Mark Spec Hunter, I'm deadly when it comes to DPS/Crit, but I'm out of the lime-light with Druids having to respec from what they primarily were (resto) to what they needed to level from 60 to 70 (feral). I have a coworker/friend who was an epic geared, resto druid, who raided 40-man content with his server's most impressive guild, and was ALWAYS top of the healing meter. Shortly before TBC came out, he would spend his DKP on what I refered to as Hunter loot. He then leveled faster than anyone else I personally know, say for maybe 1 hardcore person who leveled in a few days (they were BOTH on vacation that week). He now tanks for his guild.
My main point of both my posts here is this: A shadow priest not in shadowform, will tank in 5-man content, heed my warnings, I've seen it done. If they have enough +heal/dmg gear, they can out heal the damage they take, especially with the proper CC from a mage/warlock/hunter or even themselves in the case against the undead with shackle.
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| 02/24/07 13:41 |
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im a caster at heart so i love my tanking shammy, even though shammies really arent tanks persay I manage just fine. As long as your not main tank in a high end instance you should tank fine as an elemental shammy with good tanky gear and some nice enchants. Druids also do well at this but have to get out of bear form to heal themselves so that is a drawback IMO, we tend to kill the druid as soon as they leave bear form...so....yeah...
Oh and...healadins...***cough*** i mean paladins...yeah they follow me around and heal my butt while i kill things...I love them to death.
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| 02/25/07 12:54 |
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Welcome to the WoW side of AMP, DDKat. Insightful look into the classes. However, thanks to itemization in TBC, Dr00ds are the new uber-class, so therefore are the most under-estimated class in the game. People know that Shaman are decent at heals, and I have personally seen them tank in 5-man content, but the druid, I've seen them out heal a Holy/Disc priest, and then respec and regear to out tank a prot spec warrior.
I, myself, was one of the people accused of getting the better end of the TBC content, as a Mark Spec Hunter, I'm deadly when it comes to DPS/Crit, but I'm out of the lime-light with Druids having to respec from what they primarily were (resto) to what they needed to level from 60 to 70 (feral). I have a coworker/friend who was an epic geared, resto druid, who raided 40-man content with his server's most impressive guild, and was ALWAYS top of the healing meter. Shortly before TBC came out, he would spend his DKP on what I refered to as Hunter loot. He then leveled faster than anyone else I personally know, say for maybe 1 hardcore person who leveled in a few days (they were BOTH on vacation that week). He now tanks for his guild.
My main point of both my posts here is this: A shadow priest not in shadowform, will tank in 5-man content, heed my warnings, I've seen it done. If they have enough +heal/dmg gear, they can out heal the damage they take, especially with the proper CC from a mage/warlock/hunter or even themselves in the case against the undead with shackle. |
Thanks for the warm welcomes. I know Thunderpants from the CoH side of Amp...dunno how thats relevant, but I said it anyway. >.>
As for your reply...I've heard of hunter and lock pet tanks, warlock drain tanks, and just about any combination possible where a class possesses even a miniscule ability at the task. But just because something's possible doesn't mean its a good idea, and I don't think the classes should be sold for what they can 'possibly' do, but more what they're readily capable of. Pushing it the extra mile is more of a player thing, and player skill comes in pretty heavy.
I doubt a feral specced or even a resto specced druid can outheal a holy/disc priest who's well geared and knows there stuff. And then there's the whole matter of 'oops, now I have healer aggro and can't do much about it except turn into a bear and deprive my party of heals' where as a priest has fade to help with that. For almost any task there's more to consider than just the straight up bar, such as excellent warrior dps which suffers the serious drawback of no built in active aggro mitigation...its very easy to surpass the 80% battle/berserk stance buffer.
Having said that, druids can be excellent healers and do more than well enough if played well, even a Feral.Speaking of, I totally agree about them being Blizz's new Mary Sues, the sheer amount of stuff crammed into the Feral tree is rediculous.
My elem shaman ends up tanking quite a bit, but its not the optimal situation. She does okay using frost shock to grab strays if there's no meatshield around, or if something breaks off and goes for a squishy. I still wouldn't advertise her as an MT though, even though she's technically capable of it.
I'm sort of rambling now but I think I made my point.
Anyway, thanks again for the welcomes, I have and will be checking in here from time to time, so you'll see more of me most likely ^^.
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