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Kyo Kenshin
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So I'm quitting my hunter and I think I'm rerolling mage. Any tips as to what talent tree to follow for fast grinds? What priority would you place on each talent?
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| 03/06/07 11:59 |
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Just bumping this 'cos I know nothing about mages. O.o
But from what I've seen, mages seem to be the hawtest thing there is, if you're into heroic instances. Mage's sheeping seems to be a must. :P
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| 03/06/07 12:31 |
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meumesmo
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Let's wait for Drucila, she knows everything and anything there is about mages ^^
I need some tips too, especially on how to start one :p
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| 03/06/07 12:57 |
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Thundarpants
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My advice..... Don't wear striped robes and plaid gloves.
OK, I had to be a smart ass! Actually I bumped this one because I remembers a small guide here that is about mages and grinding levels potentially: Frost AOE Grinding
This may help you in some of the grinding efforts, but to me the only way to make levels fast is questing. Trying to grind out levels with open zoned mobs is a bit of a teduim. I've found that you don't even have to do the instance run quests. You can usually get enough open zoned missions for hunt, kill, get these from your kill type missions. There is a reflecting area for each level range, so if you run out of them, you can go to the opposing area and start doing their hunt, kill, etc...... quests.
Dru will be able to offer up more direct input. See if that guide helps you any. I hear a lot of players like Frost, and that guide was submitted well before TBC and all of it's changes.
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| 03/06/07 15:10 |
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Drucila
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| QUOTE | | So I'm quitting my hunter and I think I'm rerolling mage. Any tips as to what talent tree to follow for fast grinds? What priority would you place on each talent? |
COME TO ME!!! COME TO ME!!! MAHAHAHAH! Pandas and mages it is a GOOOOD DAY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
Needless to say I agree with your decision to play mage, the world needs more mini nukes, and I agree do not wear robes and plaid gloves...It stinks lookin like a hobo...*(whimper...I look like a clown hobo right now)*
Anyway, this is my opinion as that I AM a mini nuclear bomb waiting to go off:
Dru's guide to being Nuclear Bomb
Or you can be fire elemental mage with a concentration on instant spells and build like my current talent build (and no the gear is NOT accurate):CT Profile
So I am thinking you may want to do something like this:Scary huh
Ok before you think ZOMG dru is crazy this is the logic behind it, you want to Grind right? So this means you want to kill things fast and not sit and drink FOREVER and you dont want to die. So your going to want crit strike and mana regen. I find that fire dots and will kill in a crowd faster than ice, thats just my opinion becaue single target damage wise I have had ice mages two shot me...so you could also do ice if you prefer that route, but I find it slower in general. So you are going to want to it like this, impact, arcane missiles, ignite, imp fire blast, pyroblast, burning soul, arcane concentration, elemental precision, imp ice warding, imp scorch, master of elements, magic absorbtion and arcane medition, Blast Wave, Critical Mass, Fire Power, Combustion, Pyromaniac, Molten Fury and empowered fireball.
Now I wouldnt suggest this spec for everyone but if your going to grind and dont want downtime I think this may be the best way to go. And trust me your not missing much by not having dragons breath, its okay but you have to be really close to a target to use it and meh, like i said its okay...you miss a LOT with it in general.
So thats my 2 cents, hope you like one of these builds if not tell me what you dont like and I can suggest something else.
And welcome to NUCLEAR DPS HEAVEN!
Dru
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| 03/06/07 17:21 |
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Drucila
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| QUOTE | Let's wait for Drucila, she knows everything and anything there is about mages ^^
I need some tips too, especially on how to start one :p |
As for starting one... I dunno what to say besides do the quests, mages are like any other class in that they have a learning curve to them, you will learn how many mobs you can take on at once and how to kill them. I would suggest picking fire or ice fairly soon in your mage career though, you can always switch later. While you will use spells from both fields, you will probably pick your main spells to be from one element or the other and arcane spells, even if you are an arcane mage will end up being a back up.
I kind of classify mages 3 ways now:
Crit fiends - Fire
Crowd Control - Ice
Steady DPS - Arcane
While yes you can be a fire mage or an ice mage and do steady DPS, an arcane mage is all about mana regeneration, and fire mage is all about fire ball crit dots, and an ice mage is all about crowd control essentially. And while yes as a fire mage I can do crowd control fine, an ice mage does a much better job than me in high end raids in general, i must bow to them when they have the talent points in it.
Just something to think about.
Dru
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| 03/06/07 17:28 |
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Thundarpants
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OK, this isn't 100% on topic but what I saw seemed like potential use information on how to run on a Mage.
I'm not sure of the patch level that this was shot, but I saw "Invisibility" op up on this Mage during the vid. If that wasn't a potion, then it's pretty old. They took invisibility away from the Mages before I began to play.
Nerf Spellsteal
This Mage is just doing crazy AoE damage. It's pretty fun to watch. It is PvP action, but I learned a little about Mages just from watching it.
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| 03/07/07 15:30 |
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meumesmo
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Are you serious about that?
Well it does look cool and makes you want to roll a mage but it does need a nerf, at least make it non stackable.
*runs to roll a mage* ^^
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| 03/07/07 15:40 |
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Thundarpants
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Well the vid was posted this February, so I would assume it's from recent events and game versions.
With every killer build like this there are drawbacks. Dru might be able to shed a little light on the subject. But here's the deal..... This is not a problem if I were going after him with my Warlock. I'd have him locked down in a heartbeat and shut that crap down. A good stunlock from a Rogue would too. The players in this PvP flick don't seem to be putting any Crowd Control effects on him.
I see a lot of the effects hitting NPC mobs in the PvP zone. Making the constant ticks fly off of everything and thusly making the vid seem more impressive. That's kinda why I put this in here. I could see some real PvE uses for that too. He never seems to go after crowd control types, and I never saw him take out a Warrior or Paladin with that.(I might have to watch it again)
Keep in mind that with great squish comes great power. Right now on my level 67 Warlock(Destruction) I'm generating approximately 4500 to 6000 pts of burst damage with the right combinations of set up and crit activation. I'm designed around instant casts triggers and big crits. But I have the weakest defenses of all the Warlock builds.
He is going for the AoE effectiveness...... I'll be pointing my Shadow Bolt Machine gun right at him. Being able to keep moving and do that is a big plus. But I could put a stop to that if needed.
I'll give them this though. They did find an effective build. That was impressive.
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| 03/07/07 16:41 |
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Drucila
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Well the whole premise of nerfing spell steal IMO is wrong...its just someone complaining because they are a noob that cant figure out how to play their class properly IMO. But besides that...
Invisibility, yeah its a learned skill you get at level 68 from the mage trainer. You can however ONLY see other invisible targets, and as soon as he started turning the flag he was visible again...so that was just a crappy alliance mage that LET him turn the flag...
As for fire armor, it is an effective use of fire armor and +damage, though you have to have a TON Of armor to make up what your loosing in ice armor, so I dont know if it is worth it because the target has to hit you for the fire armor to proc...I havent decided if I like it yet or not. The guy only stays a live because he relies on ice barrier, if you took that away he would most certainly die, one good counterspell and hes toast each time.
Other then that I cannot comment other than his build is probably similar to mine in that he relies on instant spells only he is ice spec instead of fire spec like I am. I personally think his PvP may be slightly effective but it has to do a lot with luck and being a "bitch" player as we put it, mages that depend on an ice block instead of skill...I dont agree with that play style, not that using it is totally bad it shows a weak technical ability.
As for spell steal I havent trained it yet so I ddont know too much more about it to comment. But in general I dont think people should complain and cry nerf, I think they should adapt unless there is a grose negligence on the part of the devs. Mages do not have such negligence in their design currently.
I hope that sheds some light on the issues for you.
Dru
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| 03/08/07 15:20 |
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