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Jersey

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Absorb Pain

This power is so far one of the best powers i've used for healing,Variety's been telling me that i should respec it out at 12 because my Heals will be stronger by then cause of DOs.What should i do?The power gets me to near death sometimes yet the power saves people's Butts all the time.

03/21/07 10:43

Thundarpants

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RE: Absorb Pain

I know plenty of Empaths that run with AP and plenty that run without it.

As for what to do it's all going to be a matter of how much you use it. You already know the drawback. I wouldn't even consider any kind of respec to ditch it until you have properly stress tested your Haeler into the 30's. By then you will know yourself whether you really need it or not.

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03/21/07 10:59

DragonMedic

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RE: Absorb Pain

On my empath/archery defender I skipped it because my play style on him is very aggressive. That usually means that I will mostly likely have myself some aggro and damage, which is very bad when you can't regain hit points. I guess it depends on how much you will be using your secondary attacks.

03/21/07 11:10

Jersey

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RE: Absorb Pain

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Does it gather dust in your tray?

I use it quiet offen alot on the main tank.

my Secondary is /dark so i'm planning on grabbing alot of dark powers.

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03/21/07 11:35

Thundarpants

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RE: Absorb Pain

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Does it gather dust in your tray?

I use it quiet offen alot on the main tank.

my Secondary is /dark so i'm planning on grabbing alot of dark powers.

Well, you chose Empathy. In the later levels you can pick up some of the Dark powers, but their is a mindset in the player base that if you picked up Empathy on a Defender your primary job is healer. Most will expect almost every Empathy power at your disposal that you could have gotten by your current level.

I don't nesissarily agree with this 100%, but you will find a lot of the playerbase does.

If you are cleaning out powers to make room for things, Absorb Pain is a heal that you can still be a very effective healer without.

03/21/07 11:59

Jersey

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RE: Absorb Pain

I'll atempt to write the power's my planning to choose,Variety is helping so please correct us if you must.

Level 1-Heal Aura
Dark Blast
Level 2-Heal other
Level 4-Absorb pain
Level 6-Resurrect
Level 8-Clear mind
Level 10-Recall Friend
Level 12-Fortitude
Level 14-Hover
Level 16-Tenebrous Tentacles
Level 18-Recovery Aura
Level 20-Fly
Level 22-Swift
Level 24-Health
Level 26-Regeneration Aura
Level 28-Stamina
Level 30-Torrent
Level 32-Adrenaline Boost
Level 35-Night Fall
Level 38-Blackstar

Please correct it if you see anything wrong!

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03/21/07 12:14

Axys Anvilfist

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RE: Absorb Pain

nope, that seems to be almost the same build that I am running on my Emp/Dark Def...

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03/21/07 12:46

Kid Standard

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RE: Absorb Pain

Admittedly my experience is primarily with Tankers and Blasters, so take my advice with a grain of salt...

But I seriously suggest arranging things so you can get Stamina at 20. Otherwise you're likely to find yourself running out of endurance when your team needs you healing most.

but again, my tanker/blaster experience may not apply to Defenders. I usually set things up so I can catch my travel power at 14 (otherwise getting around Steel Canyon and Skyway City is slow as anything), Health at 16 and Stamina at 20. But that's my style. :)

03/21/07 13:00

Thundarpants

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RE: Absorb Pain

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That looks like a pretty straight forward Empathy build to me. You did mention possibly dropping Absorb Pain. That change could easily be worked in. But you would probably want to switch Absorb Pain with Hasten so that Heal Other comes up faster to fill the gap in the healing requirements.

Hasten will also let those Dark powers come up faster if you have an easy team to heal and have time to get a few attacks off yourself.

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03/21/07 13:04

Lightfoot27

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RE: Absorb Pain

It all looks good to me, but as my first 50 was an emp/dark, I would say that recovery aura at 18 (slotted with 3 rate redux) would provide plenty of end nearly whenever needed (combined with defenders natural ability to reduce end cost when a teammate is low on health). Stamina would just be a preference, its not a necessity. Also, I don't really see a need for tp friend as you won't have stealth, and you won't be pling with this build. I'd suggest moving hover to 10 and fly to 14, so you can travel faster right away. Just my 2 cents.

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03/21/07 13:11

Lightfoot27

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RE: Absorb Pain

Personally, I picked up assault and tactics instead of the fitness pool, and hasten and ss because I tend to leave superspeed on and use the follow+heal technique when the team gets spread out.

03/21/07 13:15

dougnukem

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RE: Absorb Pain

Yea, Stamina and the Fitness pool can be skipped, but I only suggest skipping them after playing for awhile. I notice that folks who are fairly new tend to need Stamina moreso than folks who are seasoned if you will. It all boils down to learning when to heal and when to wait a tad longer. I have had no issues without it, but it is nice early on in your crime fighting career.

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03/21/07 14:02

Lunar One

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RE: Absorb Pain

Just remember Jersey that ultimatly it comes down to how you enjoy playing. You have gotten alot of good advice. But if you dont enjoy playing that way it wont make a difference. One of the fun things about this game is that everyone plays things differently. So one persons way could be death to another. =)

03/21/07 15:48

Sturmwolf

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RE: Absorb Pain

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I'm not the world most experienced Empath,
but I use Absorb Pain.
Because I try to stay out of trouble.
I hang back, at range, and buff and heal from a save distance.
I don't spam Heal Aura on automatic.
Sometimes I get badmouthed for not healing enough, but I'm a Defender, not a Babysitter.
Because I hang back, I don't get hit often, no AoEs hitting me, no Mass Hypmosis puts me asleep.
So I (almost) never have trouble with my health, so I can use Absorb Pain pretty careless.
Again...it depends on your playstyle.
I don't use Leadership, or any attack I need to get close, like Air Superiority, so I need AP to use it when Heal Other recharges.
Sometimes I even just TP teammates out of the battle without asking to save them.
Some stupids don't get the concept, but that's their problem, not mine.
=P
I vote PRO Absorb Pain.
(Just my opinion)

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03/21/07 16:13

Variety

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RE: Absorb Pain

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03/21/07 17:47

Jersey

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RE: Absorb Pain

Changed it up alittle bit:

Level 1-Heal Aura
Dark Blast
Level 2-Heal other
Level 4-Absorb pain
Level 6-Resurrect
Level 8-Clear mind
Level 10-Hasten
Level 12-Fortitude
Level 14-Super Speed
Level 16-Tenebrous Tentacles
Level 18-Recovery Aura
Level 20-Swift
Level 22-Health
Level 24-Stamina
Level 26-Regeneration Aura
Level 28-Gloom
Level 30-Torrent
Level 32-Adrenaline Boost
Level 35-Night Fall
Level 38-Blackstar

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03/21/07 17:49

LordStarwolf

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RE: Absorb Pain

My first 50 was an emp healer. That build looks solid to me Jersey. Roll with it just like that.

Guardian
Avant Guard = Emp/Rad/Psychic Defender Lvl 50 (Dedicated Healer)
Astral Plane = Peacebringer Lvl 50
Spica = Fire/Em/Energy Tank Lvl 50 (Scranker)
Avant Spines = Spines/Regen Scrapper Lvl 50 (AOE King)
Beliskner = Eng/Eng Blaster Lvl 42 (Blapper)
Avant Kin = Ill/Kin Controller Lvl 39
BMG = AR/Dev Blaster Lvl 28
Avant Psy = Psychic Blast/Empathy Defender Lvl 20 (Offender)
Avant Def = Kinetics/Energy Blast Defender Lvl 16
Avant Stone = Stone/Storm Controller lvl 15 (Super Controller)
Umbral Plane = Warshade Lvl 14
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Lord Yu = MA/Regen Scrapper Lvl 24
Protector
T-99 = Ice/Ice Tanker Lvl 20
Electrostun = Electric/EM Blaster Lvl 21 (Sapper)
Starwolf = Katana/Inv Scrapper Lvl 18 (my very first toon, 3 1/2 years ago)
Pinnacle
Avant Claws = Claws/Regen Scrapper Lvl 18 (Non-power pool toon)
Champion
Avant Dragon = Fire/Fire Blaster Lvl 20
Freedom
Avant Arch = Archery/NRG Blaster Lvl 50

And many, many, many more....

03/21/07 18:03

Solarix

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RE: Absorb Pain

nice build, the only thing i would suggest is not getting torrent, it kinda sucks. go with moonbeam instead, it has an incredible range and does very nice damage. just my advice, but keep in mind my /dark blast is also dark miasma so i dont need to be constantly healing....

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03/21/07 20:05

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RE: Absorb Pain

That is a pretty good build. I personally don't plan on what powers I'm going to get except for when I'm planning on pool powers (you have to keep it under 28 powers or something like that) so my opinion really doesn't matter much, but I'll give me two cents anyway.

The way I see it, there's really no reason to pick certain powers or respec because you want to get a different power sooner. I really don't listen to majority either. Whatever I'm comfortable with I stick to. For example, I have an emp/rad Defender who tanks and has Presence as a power pool and I have a Blaster who got Hover at level 14. I considered that I should respec them since I really don't use Presence much with my Defender and I'd like to get Fly a little sooner than later, but in the end I have the powers that I wanted anyway. (Except for those taunts for the Defender. I still haven't worked out what I was thinking at that time).

So once again, that build looks pretty solid. Absorb Pain is a really good power and I use it often. Plus there's a little loophole that will give you debt from killing yourself with it, but that's just for when you get really, really bored :)

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