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Anachron

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Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Among other things I have heard that again CoV players get shafted and recieve no Epic Villain with i9... is this true?

And if so why?

I also just ran my lvl50 Bots/Dark MM after about a month or so of not playing him and found the Bots dumberer (more frequently then usual running off and aggroing other mobs, needing to be recalled more often, responding slower to commands and getting stuck) their attacks and my defenses weaker as well.

Is this in anticipation of the new (4 Slot) to help counter the (3 slot) "ED" nerf or is the (4 slot) just a rumor to?

I worked hard to get my Villains to their evilest and find the bleeding nerfs to be unfair and unacceptable, if the heroes can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen, just quit nerfing the villains every time heroes cry like babies when they get PWNED!

Heroes... pfft.. /em spits savagely on the ground

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03/25/07 15:30

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Well, its by far too late for Cryptic to release the Nictus with i9.
But i know for sure that we will receive them in i10 or i11.

About the 4-slot thing, with the new invention enhancements... i think thats just a rumour

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03/25/07 15:33

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

I didn't expect them anyways. I don't think anyone did. The focus of this issue is inventions. And as much as I prefer Villains, I still think the ATs are well balanced in PvP, with some few exceptions.

And as for the devs paying more attention to the complaints of CoH users? It's been around longer, has more players, and gets them more money. Yes, they're going to be paying more attention to that. Fair or not, it's true.

And stop whining about things being 'nerfed'. It bothers me. Especially in a post where you're talking about people not being able to 'take the heat'. Incidentally, the henchman AI hasn't been changed. If you're still using the three starter commands you get at level 1, it's your own damn fault. Robotics is the easiest of the primaries to control anyways.

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03/25/07 15:39

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

It is true, no epics in issue 9 which i think is a real rip off, considering they should have been done in i8 because how hard could they be to make, i mean they are the evil form of heroe's, so all yuo do is take their epics, add a touch of evil and bam our epics are done, i also dislike the fact that we have to do a dumb sf just to earn em where heroes got theirs for free once they hit 50.

And actually coh doesnt get them anymore money then what CoV gets em, they both have the same players and they both have some players who only play one of the games, but now they have the good vs evil edition and thats coh n cov combined so no ones making more money than the other, and yes it is tiering that heroes always get their way, they are a bunch of babies, see the way i see it b4 cov came around, the heroes were the alpha dogs, no one could stand up to em, and they liked that, but now that they actually have a challenge, they dont like it and want it to go back to the way it was, when they ruled the streets.

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03/25/07 16:33

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Well, Nova, you have to remember that Epics arent epic because they are Nictus but because they have an 'Epic' storyline and contacts, and nemesis. Since Khelds have unique content available to them thru level 41 in Heroes, I would expect the same for Nictus. Plus any tweaks to the AT's and perhaps their Nemesis' (Voids, Quantums). And like its been said; with Inventions and Hami, and States' TF, I wasnt expecting the EAT this Issue.

Also, no SF for Nictus'; just hit level 50. SF Epics will be even later...IF they design them.

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03/26/07 03:30

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Sod the nictus it doesn't sound all that great anyways in my opinion! To be fair ill agree that i wasn't expecting the epics with i9, but surely they will come with i10, and supposedly the incarnates are comming at winter with i11 (a rumor ive overheard)

Incarnates, if we get them then i shall look forward to reciving an epic

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03/26/07 06:21

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

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so all yuo do is take their epics, add a touch of evil and bam our epics are done

Wouldnt that be a bit boring? I mean, having a... Doomraiser (lol) and a Deathshadow as Nictus epics, with attacks perfectly identical to Khelds, but other colours and name? They have already said that the Villain epics would be.. 'epic', so to say.
Id rather wait and let them come up with a pair of utterly exceptional new Archetypes, rather than getting some lame wannabe evil lobsters and squids jumping around.

And about the epic/whatever SF, wasnt that intended for Incarnates, not Nictus?

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03/26/07 11:18

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Pass but i wana have a darn incarnate, mixing two AT's together is lethal!

03/26/07 11:55

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

okay so the nictus is one confirmed epic, so what's the other one? cause arent villains getting 2? or are the devs gunna cheat us out of that too?

03/26/07 14:00

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

I think the whole nictus will be boring tbh, were jsut gonig to end up maknig suped' versions of the councxil's galaxy troops, woowoop -_-

Bring on the damned incarnates!!!

03/26/07 14:10

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

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I think the whole nictus will be boring tbh, were jsut gonig to end up maknig suped' versions of the councxil's galaxy troops, woowoop -_-

Bring on the damned incarnates!!!

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03/26/07 16:08

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

I know what im ranting about :P

03/26/07 17:00

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Ok then, to be truly Epic in nature and make those craven heroes tremble and wet their tights, our Epic Villains will need to be... well... Epicer (lol I made a new word ^_^)... ok I can accept that and look forward to them in i10.

As for my MMs, I wrote a guide back around the time when CoV first went live for creating Macros to control Bot Henchmen (FYI: it's posted in the guides section), and no Abyssal I do not use just the default 3 macros that come with MMs, infact I removed one of them because I felt it was unneeded I only have 2 of the original left, I currently use 14 specialized Macro buttons for command of my Henchbots and plan on more.

I am well versed in how my MM works, I have been using a Bot/Dark MM since late beta of CoV, I reached lvl 14 before Beta ended.

Here is a quick summery of the problem (glitch/bug/intentionl) that I had with my MM before I posted this...

I was helping a friend clear a map, they enemy was level 42 and I am a lvl 50 MM, it took my bots as long to defeat the 42s as it does to defeat lvl50 enemies, I have them properly slotted and have never had this problem before, nor have I had my bots run in tiny circles to such a degree over and over again, randomly... also when I issue an order to attack half run in circles doing nothing before suddenly attacking target, often one or 2 never stop and I have to TP them to the enemy.

My friend was as surprised as me and wondered why it was taking so long, I also took more damage from the 42s then I ever had from a 50+ enemy (and yes I have fought these type of enemies before and they never did this kind of damage to me) had my bots more often run off and aggro other groups. I also spent more time calling and teleporting bots back to my position. This also happened on other missions with enemies at different levels, overall it's gotten harder for my lvl50 bots/dark MM to function.

Something has changed, whether it's intentional or not, it's made my lvl50 MM seem like a beginner

And as for whining, there is a difference between whining and pointing something out. I have noticed the Heroes getting better treatment with issue releases then villains and said so, it's not a whine but a peeve.

Abyssal you need to check your rage for your words "my own damn fault" is a very antagonistic statement based upon supposition, and as to the word "nerf" or similar statements who really cares how tired you are of hearing anything except you? If your tired of hearing something then don't respond to it by saying it bothers you, for by responding you show just the opposite.

You really need to make up your mind.

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03/26/07 17:13

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

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okay so the nictus is one confirmed epic, so what's the other one? cause arent villains getting 2? or are the devs gunna cheat us out of that too?

No. The Devs arent going to cheat us on Epics.

The Hero 'ding-50' Epic AT is Kheldian in two flavors (Peacebringer & Warshade). The Villain 'ding-50' Epic AT is Nictus; also in two flavors (no names yet).

As far as Incarnates go Hellmeister; I've read most of the OB threads on new Epic AT's and as far as I know Incarnates are vaporware as of right now. A lot of speculation by people who really dont know anything about them. Even your description of Incarnates is only one such 'idea' on how they would work. That is unless I missed out on an interview somewhere.

Just a word about 'EPIC ATs'.

Remember Folks: Epic does not necessarily mean uber, totally rad, way cool AT. Epic relates to an 'Epic Story Line' that is the background of the Archetype. Think of it as the myth behind the monster. Although Kheldians Heroside are fun and a challenge to play, I enjoy my 'regular' AT toons just as much if not more than my Kheldians. Heh! My Mastermind eats Kheldians for lunch; deep-fried with a golden crunchy beer batter coating and a spicy marinara sauce.

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03/27/07 05:17

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Epic does not necessarily mean uber, totally rad, way cool AT.

To me, any new AT is uber, totally rad and way cool.

I always need something new to build my char up on. Powersets, costume, background. I can make a Ninja Blade/SR Stalker right now, and think he sucks ..... whatever.

OR, i can wait until i get my fancy shiny Samurai armor, and then make the Stalker, and like him! With all my heart too.
This was exactly what happeend to my 2nd main, Flammeklinge. I didnt have the faintest clue about who the 5th Column were until i searched ParagonWiki through and found some info on them.
Then, i had something to build a char up on, and to this day, he's my favorite char nr. 2.

Whatever.

What im saying is; we need new ATs. Or atleast i do.

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03/27/07 13:06

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

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What im saying is; we need new ATs. Or atleast i do.

I agree that we need some new ATs or Epics floating around soon. Granted they'll just be a spin off of what's already in the game. I can't find the article right now that states this but, it was mentioned that to create a totally new power set, with totally new powers would be somewhat of a hassle because you'd have to make sure it's properly balanced against all the other powersets (which would require more time in planning stages).

I just hope whatever it is they come out with is cool enough for me to roll one and stick with it, as my PB only made it to lvl 27 and the 'thrill' wore off. I can't even say the storyline held my attention either, not like some of the others.

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03/27/07 13:16

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As far as Incarnates go Hellmeister; I've read most of the OB threads on new Epic AT's and as far as I know Incarnates are vaporware as of right now. A lot of speculation by people who really dont know anything about them. Even your description of Incarnates is only one such 'idea' on how they would work. That is unless I missed out on an interview somewhere.

Well to be fair Lord Recluse is an incarnate, his powers resemble that of a brute and a masterminds

So an incarnite should be a mix of two AT's like him, or else it wouldnt not be an incarnate or they would have to chance Recluse and Statesman.

Thus in theory an incarnate should be a mixture of two AT's should it or should it not?

03/27/07 13:19

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Taking in your point of view Helmiester, Peacebringers and Warshades could be considered Incarnates because they are a mix of various ATs. PBs for example are a mix of defenders and scrappers for the variety of powers they have from each of those ATs. WSs on the other hand are a mix of controllers, and scrappers for the powers they have available to them. And both AT have access to two forms that allow them to become blasters and tankers. So following what your saying hellmeister, CoHs already has Incarnates.

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03/27/07 13:36

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Yes i see your point and no not quite, with incarnates you get to choose (supposedly) your two AT's you mix, so if that is true you could create a brute/dom to have some smashing and minor holding powers.

AS such the PB/WS aren't really concider incarnates because 1) they have to change form to access more of their pwoers
2) you cannot select thier AT mix, as they are ready set as the defender/scrapper or controller/scrapper, you cant change that so its not really an incarnate as such.
3) They just dont feel like incarnates, Recluse and Statesman are incarnates, and have nothing in comon with the PB/WS

So um yeah, they aren't really incarnates, i know my powers of description aren't great though

03/27/07 13:44

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

lol! Ok ok, I won't argue the point. But still, I think that was the original intent of CoX was to choose from various powersets and build your own original hero or villian. For example, you could pick Energy Blast for your primary and invulnurabilty for your secondary, but the secondary would be like half or a third or what the primary would be. I think they realized that would single out too many powersets and too many of the same builds. I remember seeing the original demo video (I forgot where) and that was the set up they had for the powers selection screen.

03/27/07 15:01

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Meh i duno lets jstu get the nictus done first shall we @_@

03/27/07 15:57

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

There was an article in MMO Games magazine.

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As for the epic archetypes for City of Villains, what stage are they in?

QUOTE (answer)

We want to move Kheldians over, sure. But coming up with new ones, that's much harder. That takes a lot of time. But I want to do it. I just wish I had more employees.

04/08/07 05:06

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I just wish I had more employees.

I wouldnt mind being employed by Cryptic :)

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04/08/07 06:13

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

I just made an account here, but have been reading posts for a few weeks, and have gotten good advice. (MM numpad setup is a lifesaver)

Anyways, I don't really know too much about what the plans for evil Epics are, but an idea I have for one is because we have no REAL healer class, one on the epics could offer a few heals and buffs. My idea for the buffs would be that you can buff yourself and others so they (or you) have an added chance to land stuns or other effects. Or even allow you to land stuns and such with skills that don't normally have a chance. Haven't thought up a good secondary yet.

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04/08/07 17:59

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RE: Rumors that i9 will again skip CoV Epic Villain

Thats..... actually a pretty good idea. Wouldnt have thunk that myself. It would add alot to melee gameplay with the new ATs, and they would be very effective in big groups.

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04/08/07 18:30

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Thanks for the unwelcome invite =) Anyways, I think I have come up with an "OK" secondary to my last posts suggestion, it would
be pretty much like a MM/dom or con.

For the MM part, instead of having the large amount of henchmen MM'ss get, you would get 1 or 3 (one Boss, or 3 minions) These would be your classes defense (different pet commands then a MM gets)

These pets would most likely be dark glowing orbs, or auras, you most likely wouldn't have a upgrade, or need one, I can't think of any more about that aspect.

Now for the Con/Dom part. All and all the class would offer maybe one nice slow, maybe a hold or two, if it was two, one could be a short range long accurate hold, the other could be a Long Range AoE hold that does a good amount of damage, but only holds for 3 seconds or so. Its best power would be a 10 to 30 second AoE Hp AND End Degeneration (this would be so strong that unless used on a /Regen stalker or scrapper, you WILL lose some, those would not be effected by it (or effected much less)

Well heres some of my ideas, what do you guys think? =p

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