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PoW_SparePart

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stop the pvp solo builds

I am really getting tired of trying to enjoy a PvP match only to have my whole team wiped out by some fool using a solo farming build.Its getting really old.I cant see how allowing the use of solo builds in a PvP arena makes for a balanced match.And the people complain when Anet nerfs the skills.Tell me what is the point in using a invincible solo farming build in a PvP match.

03/26/07 06:51

Pickletron

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

So you got wiped out by (for example) a 55 monk using SoJ?
YOu probably wouldn't have gotten a glad point anyway :(

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03/26/07 06:58

dragoniusx

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

Not too bothered by them tbh, prob cause i play either an interupting Ranger or a Mesmer (carrying blackout and powerblock, mehehehe)

Edit: or Water ele with MaelStorm

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03/26/07 07:06

PoW_SparePart

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

Its mostly the solo ele i am seeing in Fort Aspenwood.But why?Does it make them feal elite that they ruin the match for the rest of us?I guess its only a matter of time tho before the build gets nerfed then they will have to use some real skills.

03/26/07 07:13

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

Every build has its counter, you just nee to bring it. I remember back when they used to b***h about IWAY, the Touch Rangers now that earth ele build. If enough people bring something to counter it eventually it will lose its popularity. A good way to counter would be to use skills that strip enchants like

Assasins - Dark apostary, lift enchanment, expunge enchantment...

Necro - Chiblins

Dervish - Avatar of grenth.

not to mention the ability to interupt their casts

So don't complain that there is an effective build, come up with a way to counter it. Be creative and think hard you'll come up with something. (1 skill on you bar focused on 1 build that is popular isn't always a wasted spot)

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03/26/07 07:37

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

imo those who complain are the ones who really doesnt know how to play pvp. most of them stick with their build which theyv been using for ages.... as the gameplay/tactic/builds evolve... people complain becouse "their" build is getting powned by another build... geeez.... why no use another build? invincimentalist, touchers, iway, etc atre build and they are not against the EULA so its legitimate to use them... its the same if people wud complain about BOA assassins, gankers, ZB gift of health monks, etc....

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03/26/07 08:02

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

Necros are really good to play for RA. They have a lot of skills in Curses that you can use on all proffessions and have good enchantment removal

Most of my PvP ideas come from playing PvE. The elementalists who wrap them self up with the earth enchantments, i use rend enchantments (and you thought the 1 sec cast was bad?) and then there just a normal ele who has to burn energy to get their enchants up.

I'm working on shutting them BoAs down..

03/26/07 08:12

HackingHippie89

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

lol i dont see how people cant kill invincimentalists, stoneflesh has a 2 sec cast time?, easy interupt, and once that is its downhill from there also theres a handly little skill in necromancer no attribute called Gaze of Contempt, completely ruins them

also imo, this invincimentalist looks like the new touch ranger, a build that works and is moderately easy to counter with a bit of thought, but rather than doing so, people are just going to complain and beg for a Nerf

03/26/07 08:28

johny bravo

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

The invinciele build is tough to counter fo many casters b/c if the use obsiedian flesh you can't cast speels on them mean ing rend enchanments and mesmer interuts are out of the question. For those who dont use Flesh they are easily dealt with. For the one who do it is more critical to have a passive enchantment removal spell or enchanment removal attack skill.

For the BoA assassin see this Anti-melee necro build (yes I am selfishly promoting my build). Works pretty well, got me a couple glad points.

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03/26/07 08:44

dragoniusx

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

More and mroe mesmer in RA seem to use Blackout, also chill bains (sp) was mentioned before, its an aoe skill and doesnt trigger obs flesh
I do agree that complaining bout these PvP solo farming builds wont get you anywhere, tweak your build's and give yourself the advantage you deserve, though dont throw together a build
dedicated to countering these.
As for BoA sins im tired of those, as a mesmer in RA im quite tired of being piled upon by melee foes lol, reason why i pay attention as to what weapons melee players carry and use Psyical defence giving me +40 armor (thats 110 armor as i've got 60+10 additional thx to fow rogue set)
The minute i enter the arena i analyse my opponents, if i see a Sin (im usually primary target despite the fact i have a monk on my team or not) i keep an eye on him, the moment he shadowsteps in i target him then use blackout that way he cant finish let alone start his spike.
Well as i design my own builds and tweak them if necessary i'm never bothered by those farming builds in PvP as we play, we lose, i tweak, we play and we win.

03/26/07 09:08

Hydras First

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

I used that "solo ele build" in Fort Aspenwood, and to be honest it won a matches for me and the team. Like when people cant touch you and they rage quit, its them, not me.

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03/26/07 09:20

Lunarman

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

I use my solo ele invincible build ( it's impossible to kill but doesn't deal much damage) you can win RA matches by yourself even when all your team is dead just becuase the opposition leaves out of boredom having been trying to kill you for 20 minutes :).

03/26/07 10:01

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

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imo those who complain are the ones who really doesnt know how to play pvp.

Could not have said it better myself.

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03/26/07 10:10

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

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the opposition leaves out of boredom having been trying to kill you for 20 minutes :).

Yea I'm sorry but people like that are annoying, pathetic builds that you can just tank with are so unskilled and are seriously lame. Sure they're easy to interrupt.........but when you have no interrupter on your team......thats where the lameness comes in.

People that complain about builds aren't exactly unskilled, in fact most of them have a point! PvP solo builds are crud in RA and who ever uses them are the ones that suck at pvp, thats for sure I hate having a E/D tanker in my team because they do near to no in damage! I can agree solo pvp builds suck.....but they are easy to counter.....its just a matter of having that counter in your teams build.

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03/26/07 10:12

Seth Oneil

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

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imo those who complain are the ones who really doesnt know how to play pvp.

Could not have said it better myself.

or the people who dont' bring Rez sig/don't know how to use it right.

I love seeing the invincie ele in RA. So I can ignore it wait until the rest of their team is dead then beat on it. It's like a punching bag ^_^.

I have a couple of builds that wont work against it that I like to use but that's where communication comes in. If you see an invincie ele, make sure you let your team know that it's a useless pilon. (with all of maybe 2 damage skills that most likely cause exhaustion)

I've seen a ton of variants but it's usually the same, Sandstorm for elite and Obsidion flesh for more damage. So if the match happens to end up where it's down to you and the ele and you have a rez left... don't be a fool rez the person on your team that can help you. i.e. NOT the monk.

Since the addition of a lot of nightfall skills to be effective in RA monks need all their slots to stay alive. They wont have rez and they wont deal damage. As long as you're not a tard and stand in the sandstorm it's fairly easy to beat them without needing massive heals.

I've beaten them with a KD hammer warrior watching their enchants run out then KD'ing their arse before they can get them up again. It's a fairly simple concept. It's PvP you should look before you leap and use your skills when they'll be most effective... not just spam the most powerful ones after their recharged (more or less PvE xD).

I'd personally rather go up against a BoA assassin or an 'invincimentalist' than a person who knows what the crap they are doing while playing a dervish which are too freakin powerful.

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03/26/07 10:27

flipfly2006

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

insted of complaining about thos "solo" id rather complain about those "LEAVERS" in RA >.<

back to topic...

all builds can be beaten... .the question is are u willing to find a way to counter them or are u just gonna look into guildwiki for builds because you're too damn lazy and then complain that it doesnt work anymore???

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03/26/07 11:32

dragoniusx

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

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the question is are u willing to find a way to counter them or are u just gonna look into guildwiki for builds because you're too damn lazy and then complain that it doesnt work anymore???

THAT sir is the right question. :P

03/26/07 11:34

HiroAyami

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

I have to agree with what was said here, solo builds are great for beating down noobs. However, any plausible team that is actually getting Glad Points (More than just for the first level) can annihilate any solo build. Facing the ele solo farming build is hillarious if you wait for the right moment. Shadow Form on an E/A in PvP? Once SF runs out, just vamp bow him to death. (5:1 vampiri 15^50% longbow FTW). Even if you don't have ranger skills, that bow coupled with an aspd booster is pretty deadly for any build that uses Shadow Form.

Forinstance, my warrior uses Sprint + Tiger Stance + the bow mentioned above to finish off those shadow form users.

Not saying it's 100%, but it is a method that works.

Other builds like solo monk builds are pretty laughable in PvP. Just leave them for later by all means, it's not like they can kill you unless you're attacking them yourself. When I use my necro, I tend to keep a pretty little Life Stealing skill on him just in case.

There's a lot of ways to stop those builds, just think outside the box a bit, or study the skills of the current builds out there a little. Find out where they can't farm and figure out why, obviously there's a reason.

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03/26/07 12:00

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

I was getting some faction in the ol' FA and there were a few of those tanking earth eles, but the build I was using was a blood build, and seeing as how you don't need res in FA (cos of the quick respawns) I just slipped rend enchantments in the 8th slot and laughed as the eles shrivelled without their enchants (I think it's a useful build for farming though, and in pvp I suppose a good distraction)

03/26/07 12:01

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RE: stop the pvp solo builds

I completly understand both sides.
First
Try playing BoA assasin in RA. You have no heal spells (unless you sacrifice res sig, in witch case you are called a noob), and you get killed quckly. No wonder you get very pissed, and leave when there's no monk in your team, to heal you (if you cant heal overextending melees, you get called a noob too).
You have to understand, that in RA you need a ballanced skill set of both damage and heal (or only damaga/only heal...that might not work...try winning with a all heal team ^- ). And solo builds have both. That's why they're so popular...
Second
Reading the solo builds on Wiki, you can see a paragraf dedicated to countering the build. Mostly it says enchantment removal, heavy degen, etc. Try playing that in PvP sometimes, not just Warrs, BoA, Invincieles and monks.
That's the challenge of PvP, to be able to counter everything you are fighting. You got a lot of ideas from people on this forum. Try using it...

03/26/07 12:18

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