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Hellmeister

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Regen vs Ninjetsu

Ok trying to decide between ninjetsu and Regen for my stalker, i know that regen is uber in later levels and really helps in PvP

But how is ninjetsu's survivabilty and PvP ranking compaired to regen, i mean sure regen's heals will hep awesomely but the set does seem a tad dull

So what do you think?

04/15/07 13:47

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

With ninjetsu you'll be able to pull off a few more Sin Strikes mid combat. (long fight, instead of just 2, the normal hiding and placate, you have smoke bombs which offer a third, and also give you a chance to escape sticky situations. Other goodies in there as well.

With Regen.....you no longer need to carry Blues (at least for Ninja blade/regen, Iam sure if you used NRG/ you would still lose END) 2 base heals, a +800% (about) regen at later levels, and other goodies.

Note: I normally use a Scrapper with /Regen, but have used both, the princaples are pretty much the same, only thing I think I could be wrong about there being is the END recovery (Quick Recovery) as I have not reacently looked at the Stalker secondaries.

Hope this helps slightly.

04/15/07 15:13

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

smoke bomb doesnt hide you, just placates, so u dont get a crit hit.

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04/15/07 15:48

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

I appriciate regens overpowered PvP ability but im still leaning more towards ninjetsu, i know theres more toggles and less uber healing ect, but ninjetsu is a mroe interactive set, and if theres anything i like its interactive!

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04/15/07 15:50

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

just to point out, i think they took out quick recovery to put in hide into Regen set for villains.

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04/15/07 16:07

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

REGEN FTW!

regeneration because at lvl 16 you get a resitance power to hold immbo, diso, and mostly everyting, but fear :(

ninjitsu.... has a resitance power but it was a click, no healing exept Kujin rin or something (maybe Ku-Jin Sha)

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04/15/07 17:41

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

one plus for the Ninjitsu set...The ranged toggle provides a +per...so depending on what else you take, you'll be able to see those hidden players a little easier.

And the Nin set only has 2 toggles, the melee and ranged defenses. The rest of the powers are clicks.

After you get your last power, Ret Su, you'll see the difference between that and MoG. Ret Su gives you a +run, +rech and +recov that'll help out in a tough fight...it doesn't drop your health down to little or nothing and you'll be a fighting juggernaut for a couple of minutes. Now when it drops, all of your end will drain away to nothing (thank goodness for the flashing warning).

Overall, Ninjitsu is a very decent set and can bang with the big boys..comes with a self heal that can be somewhat perma with 3 rech SOs.

04/15/07 17:43

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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smoke bomb doesnt hide you, just placates, so u dont get a crit hit.

regen FTW

Dispite it not putting you back into hide, it does put you into a position where waiting for hide to come back isn't an issue. I think the same might go for Blinding Powder, but I haven't yet got Blinding Powder. Caltrops also allows for waiting on hide as well, in a way. As the mob scatters on the Caltrops you are given a perfect opportunity to run away while they forget all about you. Then you can land another AS. Though I'm sure you can do with by running away with regen to...

Anyway, I've already put my thoughts about the issue to Hellmeister ingame, so I'll be quiet now.

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04/16/07 04:09

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Well my last Hero Hater was a Claws/Regen, I deleted him at lvl 26. If you dig through the forum here somewhere I said I was gonna delete him. For missions I couldn’t be stopped, but PvP I had no luck. I PvP a lot so that was more important to me then the missions. I have never gotten a Ninjitsu Stalker past level 10 so I cant tell you what I have found. But I can tell you it is the most popular secondary on the Pinnacle server so I have to guess it is good. For me Super Reflexes is the way to go, but my second choice would be Ninjitsu. Unless you have no intention of going to PvP zones then I’d go with Regen.

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04/16/07 06:03

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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smoke bomb doesnt hide you, just placates, so u dont get a crit hit.

regen FTW

Well, to help out on this issue...Caltrops wouldn't be a good choice for trying to go into hide. Simply because Caltrops are doing damage, meaning your targets can still track you while you're doing damage. You can lay down caltrops for the slow effect while making an escape, but you'll have to wait until the damage is done in order to 'hide' from them.

Now, Smoke Flash can make mobs...not see you and you can either sit and wait or run and wait for hide...choice is yours. However, I'd run and wait because not every person may be affected.

Blinding Powder...one of the better powers of this set (if you had to choose between BP or SF, take the Powder!). BP also 'hides' you from the mobs, while also confusing them as well. So, you can literally stand in the middle of a mob, un-noticed, while they are kicking the crap out of each other. This has helped me out of several jams with my Claw/Nin.

The only down side, if you are comparing the two sets, of Ninjitsu is that it does not provide a knockback protection. You can get everything else, for the most part, that Regen can provide (and a little more in certain cases). You have to balance the pros/cons and choose which one would be best suited for your playstyle. Since I like toys, Ninjitsu is my first choice (even though my first ever toon was a MA/Regen Scrapper). My first villain and first 50 in villains was a Ninjitsu Stalker. They play nice, and in PvP, you just have to compensate for what they lack, just like any other set you PvP with.

04/16/07 07:18

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

I guess the thing i like most abot the regen is the fast healnig and self rez (i like dull pain but in my experiance it always runs out at the worst time -_- generally me being careless as ever though)

Ninjetsu i look forward to the BP, sounds fun, but isnt it an accuracy debuffer? So i mean if it confuses an enemy will they actualyl be able to hit their allies one or will the accuracy debuff generally prevent this?

Im not sure on smoke flash, i guess ill take it, if i dont like it respec it out

04/16/07 11:10

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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Ninjetsu i look forward to the BP, sounds fun, but isnt it an accuracy debuffer? So i mean if it confuses an enemy will they actualyl be able to hit their allies one or will the accuracy debuff generally prevent this?

BP actually is more of a -per type power. It renders you invis to any around you that are effected. It doesn't provide any -Acc so when they attack each other, they are still playing with the base tohit scenario. It doesn't last long enough for them to finish each other off, and sometimes the confuse piece doesn't 'hit', but you'll always be hidden.

04/16/07 11:20

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Ah i see, well i doubted the confuse would last long, as im a stalker not a dom and all how long roughly does it last, a few seconds? (when it works)

04/16/07 11:27

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

yep, long enough to get a good hard laugh after seeing it the first time...then the effects wear off and they are back at you again. Just look for the purple glow on their heads to tip you off that they were effect by BP.

04/16/07 12:18

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

dw i know what confuse looks like nothing funner then confuseing a powerful Lt (dammed you near unconfusable bosses ¬_¬) and watchinging him do soem ally wiping

04/16/07 12:39

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

one time i confused Frostfire and when he summoned his pets they attacked him! it was purely awesome, and i didnt have to do anything or get any XP loss! it was UBER-awesome

04/16/07 20:09

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Awesome 0_0

04/17/07 03:06

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Well, sounds like Ninjitsu is what you're looking for then...

It can match up to Regen, as it doesn't heal as fast, but helps mitigate the damage taken. It provides you with other toys to get you out of a tough jam (and what wonderful toys they are). It also helps you throw that extra placate or 3 at your targets to give you that much needed break when things look rough. You also get a self heal that really comes in handy, and it can be semi-perma (oh, and maybe perma if you had hasten). What else can you ask for? (and don't ask for knockback protection, cause it just won't happen from this set).

So, go make yourself a Claws/Ninjitsu Stalker and enjoy many moons of pleasurable playing time.

04/17/07 06:56

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Sorry to dissapoint don hes a spine/ninjetsu not claws, and yes it was my full intention to take hasten

04/17/07 10:02

BishopDon

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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Sorry to dissapoint don hes a spine/ninjetsu not claws, and yes it was my full intention to take hasten

I almost had another convert to my Claws cause (say that fast 5 times..lol), Dratz!

04/17/07 11:03

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Fact is i made him before i even made this post :P you didnt stand a chance ;) though claws would have been my next choice

04/17/07 11:09

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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just to point out, i think they took out quick recovery to put in hide into Regen set for villains.

Hes right, the Stalker Regen set dose not have the End Recovery Power like Scrappers do.

Also, You may want to reconsider Ninja Blade, its slow and dosnt have much synergy in attacks (ie...animation chain). I would go Martial-Arts/Ninjetsu or Martial-Arts/Regen personaly.

Thats my 2 cents.

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04/22/07 01:55

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

I am going to be making a new stalker soon with regen as its secondary.

What is the best primary power set for PVP regen toon?

04/25/07 15:26

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

I am going to be making a new stalker soon with regen as its secondary.

What is the best primary power set for PVP regen toon?

04/25/07 15:26

Hellmeister

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Spines regen for PvP all the way

either that or claws but go spines, tis more PvP orientated ;)

04/25/07 16:39

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

Is Spine/Regen the best combo for PVP?

04/26/07 11:29

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

It's a good build to go with. The best build depends on the person that made it and how they play it :)

04/26/07 11:43

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

OK i have narrowed it down to two options, Spines/Regen or EM/Regen, what do you guys think. which is better to pvp?

04/26/07 14:22

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

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OK i have narrowed it down to two options, Spines/Regen or EM/Regen, what do you guys think. which is better to pvp?

They are both good builds...I'd say roll one of each and you see which one would better fit your playing style. Because what's good for one person may not work so well for the next...

04/26/07 14:25

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RE: Regen vs Ninjetsu

I might have said a few thing that were mention already but mainly this is my opinion on the two.Not suggesting which you should get but just giving you some pointers that you may or may not already know.

Regeneration

As you may know Regen. Starts you off with Auto Healing power,Which is a good start in your stalker.Reconstruction and Dull pain are your two self heals that will keep you alive alot and save your life.Regen. Supplies you with a toggle power that keeps you res from holds and any other controller/Dominators like powers.That is a key power right there,It keeps you from being taken down in Pvp zones and in PvE missions.Instant heal(which use to be an auto power,) is a click power,fully slotted it can keep you unstoppable.Revive,This is what makes you a regen,Being able to rez from a death is huge and is a must in the set.

What i'm trying to get out of Regen. is that it is very strong in Pvp and Pve and is a set that can keep you alive.It may not be very good from the Lack of defense,but the heals make up for it.

Ninjitsu

This set is great for stalkers,Because it has powers that support stalkers and there primary,It Gives great defense and has a self heal.I know i'm coming strong on this power,just because i have a level 23 stalker that is built for pvp and i enjoy playing.But that's not the point.If your makeing a Ninja toon,this will build your theme.This power comes with defense attacks,it helps alot in pvp,but in pve no use cause your mainly invis. through the whole battle.

This set comes with a power that is res to Controller/Dom. powers as well,The catch is that it's a click power.When the power gets slotted with Recharge.it should pop up fast enough that it'll act like a toggle.What makes the set strong is the fact that it gives out a AoE Placate.This set is a strong pvp build but not the best in Pve.

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If you may have noticed i skipped a few powers.It's cause i either didn't grab the power or haven't gotten it.I hope you think of the secondary you like.It's a tough desicion between these two just cause there even match in staying alive.Hope that helps.

04/26/07 20:56

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