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Solarix

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New Scrapper

so i have this new MA/Regen scrapper, Golden - Eagle. He is now lvl 9, and i decided i would post his build, as i have no idea what i am doing because i have very little experience with the scrapper archetype.
so here it is, up to lvl 50.

ok so the site Warron uses dint copy correctly...so ill just type it out.

1-Storm Kick/Fast Healing
2-Reconstruction
4-Quick Recovery
6-Hover
8-Crane Kick
10-Dull Pain
12-Hasten
14-Fly
16-Integration
18-Crippling Axe Kick
20-Swift
22-Hurdle
24-Focus Chi
26-Dragon's Tail
28-Instant Healing
30-Stamina
32-Eagle's Claw
35-Challenge (from Presence)
38-Moment of Glory
41-Conserve Power
44-Laser Beam Eyes
47-Intimidate
49-Invoke Panic

i added in the taunt (whichever the single one is, cant remember the name....) because fear is a nice effect, and fun to play around with. Sure, i wont get it till lvl 47, but hey, its still fun.

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04/15/07 15:10

Sturmwolf

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RE: New Scrapper

Did you forget to pick Health or was it a decision you made?
And what for do you pick the Leadership Pool...especially that late...?
And if you pick Body Mastery anyway, I would strongly recommend to pick Foc Acc.

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04/15/07 15:50

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

ok yeah that was a question i had, do i need health and stamina? i actually got swift for the speed increase, and i dont think health is necessary.... and i dont know about any scrapper epic pools, so i probably did everything wrong there...

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04/15/07 15:51

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RE: New Scrapper

Lots of people will tell you that with regen you don't need fitness at all, but I disagree. I always get it. More is better. And theres nothing like having the benefits of fitness times 2 (or more). With regen and stamina you never need end. You can't beat that.

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04/15/07 17:54

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RE: New Scrapper

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i like it, but it is by no means necessary

and i dont like BU personally on my scrapper they are better for Slow damage, not quick burst damage like Blaster or Stalkers.

and dont pick hover, air sup is better for a scrapper

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04/15/07 18:30

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RE: New Scrapper

level 6 should be hasten for super speed
level 6 should be Jump kick, for super jump

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04/15/07 20:10

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RE: New Scrapper

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level 6 should be hasten for super speed
level 6 should be Jump kick, for super jump

Huh?

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04/15/07 22:02

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RE: New Scrapper

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level 6 should be hasten for super speed
level 6 should be Jump kick, for super jump

Huh?

Ya, I'm a bit confused there too.
I almost wanna say that he's suggesting taking the speed or leaping power pools instead of flight, but I don't wanna put words in his mouth.

If that is the case then I'll say that you should pick any travel set you want, though I will agree that, looking from a utilitarian point of view, Air Superiority would be more helpful to a Scrapper then Hover, just because you can't really attack from a safe distance as a scrapper anyway. But if you want to take Hover instead, that's not exactly a make-or-break build choice anyway, so do whatever you want.

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04/16/07 00:09

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

well lately ive been doing more concept-oriented toons, and hover works fine i n battle, actually. the extra defense is ok, and it easy to keep track of the fight from a little above. also, i can get through doorways blocked by tall tankers by flying over them. i thought about air sup, and decided i dont really need the other attack.

thanks for the suggestions, guys!

04/16/07 01:07

Lunar One

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RE: New Scrapper

I actually have an MA/Regen 50. And this is by no means anything other then a suggestion.

I would get air supperiority over hover. In my experience hover was a big waste as I hardly ever used it. If you need to get up to someone flight is more then enough. Also having the extra knock down attack comes in very handy when fighting boss's or AVs.

I picked both of the fitness main powers (Health & Stamina) because it will help you greatly as you get higher. MA tends to drain endo unless you slot the attacks with End reduction. Another suggestion is Focused Accuracy when you get into the 40 for the epic pools. It helps a lot.

04/16/07 08:26

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RE: New Scrapper

I too have a 50 MA/Regen, and again, your choice of what to do...

I went with Hover and it fit me nicely. You'll be able to fly above anything on the ground that slows your movements and still function nicely.

As for the fitness pool. I did not take it and my End was fine for what I did and how I did it. However, picking up the Conserve Power Epic in Body Mastery really helps your End issues anyways.

You can skip the fitness pool and use those extra 2-3 slots for other power choices or trying to get some defensive shields.

Again, your choice how to build it.

04/16/07 09:53

Warron Peace

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RE: New Scrapper

Give this a shot, Sol.

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Name: N/A
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Martial Arts
Secondary: Regeneration
+---------------------------------------------
01 => Fast Healing ==> Heal(1)
01 => Thunder Kick ==> Acc(1),Acc(3),Dam(13),Dam(23),Dam(40),EndCost(43)
02 => Storm Kick ==> Acc(2),Acc(3),Dam(7),Dam(21),Dam(39),EndCost(40)
04 => Reconstruction ==> Rech(4),Rech(5),Rech(5),Heal(46),Heal(50),Heal(50)
06 => Air Superiority ==> Acc(6),Acc(7),Dam(13),Dam(23),Dam(39),EndCost(40)
08 => Crane Kick ==> Acc(8),Acc(9),Dam(9),Dam(15),Dam(25),EndCost(37)
10 => Dull Pain ==> Rech(10),Rech(11),Rech(11),Heal(15),Heal(34),Heal(39)
12 => Quick Recovery ==> EndMod(12)
14 => Fly ==> Flight(14)
16 => Integration ==> Heal(16),Heal(17),Heal(17)
18 => Crippling Axe Kick ==> Acc(18),Acc(19),Dam(19),Dam(21),Dam(25),Rech(37)
20 => Hurdle ==> Jump(20)
22 => Swift ==> RunSpd(22)
24 => Stamina ==> EndMod(24)
26 => Dragons Tail ==> Acc(26),Acc(27),Dam(27),Dam(31),Dam(34),EndCost(37)
28 => Instant Healing ==> Rech(28),Rech(29),Rech(29)
30 => Focus Chi ==> Rech(30),Rech(31),Rech(31),ToHitBuff(45),ToHitBuff(46),ToHitBuff(46)
32 => Eagles Claw ==> Acc(32),Acc(33),Dam(33),Dam(33),Dam(34),Rech(36)
35 => Hasten ==> Rech(35),Rech(36),Rech(36)
38 => Super Speed ==> RunSpd(38)
41 => Focused Accuracy ==> ToHitBuff(41),EndCost(42),ToHitBuff(42),ToHitBuff(42),EndCost(43),EndCost(43)
44 => Conserve Power ==> Rech(44),Rech(45),Rech(45)
47 => Laser Beam Eyes ==> Acc(47),Acc(48),Dam(48),Dam(48),Dam(50)
49 => Resilience ==> DamRes(49)
+---------------------------------------------
01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)

Will post more later, if need be.

04/16/07 10:09

Sturmwolf

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RE: New Scrapper

I would NOT go with Air sup.
Because you don't need the extraattack power and you will waste slots on it you never need.
Just pick hover as a prerequisite for flight and let it be.

Health and Stamina stack fine with regen for maxed out effect, but are no must have.
Don't pick this powers early and try out if it works for you.
You will notice if you still have endu-problems or feel weak without the extra healthregeneration.

But you will surely not need hasten because most of your pwoers recharge pretty fast and under no cricumstances pick a second travelpower.

04/16/07 10:18

Warron Peace

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RE: New Scrapper

Regen lacks in damage mitigation. It can heal back pretty fast, but sometimes it needs a way to reliably stop incoming damage before it is overpowered. That is what Air Sup is for. Being able to almost permanantly keep a foe on his back is a real life saver. Its a good damage, fast animating, low end cost and quick recharging attack, that fits well into almost any attack chain. Considering MA has no weapon drawing, it also doesn't cost you any extra time, either. If you are bound and determined to fly with a scrapper, Air Sup is the way to go. As you can see by the build I posted, there were plently of slots available to 6 slot it. You could even take the end redux from it and put it elsewhere, if need be.

04/16/07 10:47

Lunar One

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RE: New Scrapper

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Thank you Warren. We think alike. =)

04/16/07 11:07

Lunar One

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RE: New Scrapper

Ultimately it all comes down to how you play. There is not set right or wrong way to do things. I may like my build one way and do very well with it, but someone else might totally suck using it. Try things out and if you dont like it respec it to a way you would. That is why suggestions are so good on Gameamp. Everyone is different.

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04/16/07 11:09

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

i went with hover and i lika voiding caltrops and other nasties, and, as stated above, regen doesnt have any defense to it, just heals, so it helps a lot.

04/16/07 11:56

Lunar One

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RE: New Scrapper

Then that is the best way to go. =)
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04/16/07 12:14

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RE: New Scrapper

My MA Scrapper has SR as his secondary. So end usage was a problem, and skipping fitness was a not an option.

In terms of attacks tho, I stuck to a very basic chain:

==> Thunder Kick
==> Storm Kick
==> Crane Kick
==> Dragon's Tail
==> Eagle's Claw

They are all 6 slotted with 3 Dam, 2 Acc and 1 End Redux

In normal circumstances, I'm never without an attack (add to that I have the Bonus power from Vet Rewards, that Axe thing), but with hasten, I usually have the attacks I need when I need it. I took every one of my secondary powers and also got Conserve Power and Laser Eyes (I guess I needed a ranged power for when I'm lazy to chase runners).

A good thing to do is test out your powers on the TEST server. Find what you like, and then pwn everything.

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04/16/07 13:08

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

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In terms of attacks tho, I stuck to a very basic chain:

==> Thunder Kick
==> Storm Kick
==> Crane Kick
==> Dragon's Tail
==> Eagle's Claw

this will basically be my chain, except with crippling axe kick also. I was thinking respeccing at 18 to the build above (once i edit it...)

04/16/07 15:31

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RE: New Scrapper

The actual chain that I use:

Eagle's Claw ==> Crane kick ==> Storm Kick ==> Thunder Kick

By then Eagle's Claw is ready again. Dragon's tail is always available for knockback multiple foes.

My Eagle's Claw is set to Auto-Fire.

If its a crit on my first hit, I would usually one shot most 51 to 52 minions, otherwise Crane Kick sends them sailing off to hell.

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04/16/07 15:44

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RE: New Scrapper

As my main toon (Veloce on Guardian) is a MA/regen scrapper created in Nov 2004, I had a lot of playtime with it (still do even now) as with a lot of scrapper-types as well. So I did some interesting experiences I would like to share.

ABOUT TRAVEL POWERS: I would rather recommend anything but the Flying powers. It is good for travel, yes, and I would recommended it strongly to any ranged-attack types like blasters, defenders and controllers. but, as a scrapper, you need (and want!) to be in the thick of it: so, other travel powers offer much more numerous and interesting opportunities for a scrapper than just fly down there then off again in the wide blue yonder:

LEAPING: Hovering is not much of a defense bonus or mobility power: you can get comparable defense from combat jumping, but with a faster mode of escape/hit & run mobility (jump in, strike, dragon tail then jump out works well). With just Hurdle (when taking the Fitness pool power set) you will get around fairly well over all but the most difficult terrains. Any terrain will become easy if you take Superjump; then you get access to Acrobatics for a little bit of added defense.

SPEED: Hasten is obviously very useful to any scrapper, and superspeed will get you faster than fly to your objective (and very effective in combat with follow-target on, especially if you team up with knocking-back partners); but you will need ways to pass over obstacles in difficult terrains (Hurdle well slotted helps a bit). Getting access to Whirlwind will give you a second AoE attack (sorely lacking in the MA set with only Dragon Tail to deal with multiple opponents) wich is very useful to escape tight situations or quickly save a hard-pressed teammate from a gang attack.

TELEPORT: Teleport Foe makes snipping and pulling easy (even around corners) in order to thin down a mob (remember that you have almost no AoE attacks, so a very big mob of powerful foes may causes you problems; you may sometimes feel like a Tanker, but beleive me, you are NOT). Then, Teleport will give you both mobility over any map and the ability to perform perfect ''surprise attacks'', or escape with greater ease from a tight spot.

You do not need Air Superiority (although it is very effective and useful), Flurry (long and not enough damage except at low levels) or Jump Kick (too slow and useless knockback effect) because you already have an impressive roster of powerful attacks in the MA set.

ABOUT HEALTH & ENDURANCE: Yes I agree with those stating that Health & Stamina are not superfuous, even for a regen character. Remember, these are the only two effective stats in gameplay, so you can never have too much of them (or then, why bother with the Atlas medallion and other bonus badges?).

Not that i especially recommend it, but I even took conserve power; as I mostly solo, I found myself too many times loosing too much END in long, furious fights (like against monsters or one-on-one with Arch Villains) or when ambushed by END draining foes (Malta sappers or Carnival Mistresses). REGEN has been nerfed SO many times, it is now but a shadow of what it was at issue 3 (those where the days!): still good, better than non-regen of course, but not all-powerful. Frankly, I honestly took it, first and foremost, because there was no other power I wanted or needed, or felt was proper for my speedster concept. Still, it has shown itself quite useful on numerous occasions.

ABOUT RANGED ATTACKS : getting one or more from the Ancillary power sets will definitely beef you up and nicely combine with flight powers if you are determined to choose them. Although I never took any (because of concept and playstyle) I would be the first to recognize their very useful potential and good value for rounding up a scrapper's effectiveness and versatility to good effect.

ABOUT FOCUSED ACCURACY: As I came to the 40's and had all the powers I wanted, I took Focused Accuracy, thinking it would be a great boost: BIG mistake!

First, I quickly found out that it was an enormous drain on my END.

Then I tested it's effectiveness: I went against 5 Alpha Warwolves with FA on: when I brought the last one down, after 1.25 min, I was left with NO END at all(yes, I had then no end reduction enhancements on my attacks, but, mind you, I have ALL Regen powers, ALL were active and ALL are 6 slotted at max + + !!!)

Immediately after recovering, I did the exact same thing but this time without FA : alone vs 5 alpha warwolves. And guess what? It took me 1.25 min to bring them all down... but with FULL END at the end of the fight!

Thus, my personal experience with it made me respec out of it as soon as I could.

MA has probably the highest innate accuracy of all power sets; you do not miss very often, even without enhancements. With minimum enhancements (for me, 1 SO slot at ++) You very rarely miss, even against bosses.

Surely some end. reduction slotting would have solved the draining problem (for less damage or effects or other bonuses); but, with the absence of any bonus to my effective hitting ratio, FA is, in my experience, as much as useless to a MA scrapper.

ABOUT ENHANCEMENTS: You do not have to spend a lot on ACC enhancements, so you may concentrate on damage and effects instead.They also come back fairly quickly (even more so with hasten of course) so that, when you have 4+ attacks, you can hit continuously with good effect. Therefore, a lot of recharge enhancements are not necessary. And obviously, as a Regen scrapper, endurance reductions are not required either (although only one slot of each of those last 2 types will add visibly to your effectiveness).

I hope these little hints in the life and deeds of a LvL 50 MA/Regen scrapper will help you build up the best character for you and enjoy the game to the fullest in that role.

I surely did (and still do!).

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04/16/07 18:44

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

ok wow, that was a very helpful post! while i appreciate the travel power concerns, i am determined to get fly, beacuse my character is called the Golden - Eagle, which, as you *might* not know, is a bird lol. that wasnt meant to be nasty, but its true. i intend to take swift actually for the fly and run speed, and i am still deciding whether or not to take health and stamina. When the time comes, i will see if i need them, and theres always the respec.

wow ampers are SOOOOOOO helpful lol. i dont know why i ever made a toon without clearing it with you guys. :)

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04/16/07 20:14

Warron Peace

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RE: New Scrapper

Fly being necessary for concept is understandable. However, at no point in time have I noticed a need for Hover. Air Superiority, as I mentioned earlier, will provide much better damage mitigation than the meager defense offered by Hover. And as for dodging caltrops and the like, Fly can do that for you, too. Being Regen means that you'll have plenty of endurance to use Fly mid-fight to get off of trops and other such nastyness. At no point in this thread have I seen a direct need for Hover of Air Sup. If you want it for concept, more power to you. If not, go for Air Sup, you won't be disappointed.

Just my opinion, feel free to disregard,

Warron

04/16/07 20:44

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RE: New Scrapper

I have a 50 MA/Regen also, and I went with fly as well. Hover can be fun (must be slotted speed IMO) and if its concept, more power to you. I went Air superiority, and it fits VERY nicely with MA, but to each their own. As far as stamina and health. Definitely recommend swift for speed boost to fly, and I went with hurdle for the unsurpressable movement as I read stats on health with regen... the bonus is really only around 1-1.5% regen boost, which is rather negligible, so I didn't find it worth it. You will get almost no bonus from leadership, so I wouldn't go that route, and build up is a must! It doubles dmg for several hits, and when recharge slotted it comes up almost whenever needed. I still out endurance myself with stamina and regen in boss battles, so I recommend stamina myself. Its a great build though, and I know you'll have fun with it.

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04/16/07 20:51

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RE: New Scrapper

Sigh... double post.

Also, laser eyes is fun to play with, but is pretty strictly for concept, won't do you alot of good (i have it for concept also). Focused acc is great for that boost to accuracy, and in having it will save you slots or help for pvp, so I recommend that... and I've never been a fan of conserve power, recharge vs. effective time is to great.

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04/16/07 20:51

Solarix

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RE: New Scrapper

i was thinking getting swift, hurdle, and stamina, because end is great, but health is rediculous, theres like a 800% regen rate with all the heals going...i dont thing 801.5 % is that much of a make-or-break....

oh yeah, and if anyone is farming on Freedom while im on, global @Lethal Dose or character name Golden - Eagle, shoot me a tell, im happy to be a fighter in a farm, rather than a sit-and-do-nothing person, fighting like 15 guys at a time without dying is too much fun!

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04/16/07 21:00

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