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A recent news clipping popped up on G4TV's The Feed that caught my attention and i was outraged.
More information about the shooting Cho, the shooter from Virginia Tech. The Washington Post fired up another "Violence in Video Games" rant again. The Washington Post posted (lol)
| QUOTE | | Several Korean youths who knew Cho Seung Hui from his high school days said he was a fan of violent video games, particularly Counterstrike, a hugely popular online game published by Microsoft, in which players join terrorism or counterterrorism groups and try to shoot each other using all types of guns. |
This nice snibit of information will become very handy in the hands of Jack Thompson and Hilary Cliton, just two big names who are against violence in Video Games. It just seems that everytime someone gets shot or someone randomly hijacks a car video games are to be blamed. This is just what the accident they were looking for. I fear for the future of violence in video games =\
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You know what I say? I say that people like Jack Thompson, and Hilary Clinton need to look at the real facts, not some made up far-fetched baloney. The truth is that in the past 10 years teenage crime has decreased by 40% in the US. That's right. 40% And what major media revolution has happened to teenagers in the past 10 years? videogames. coincidence? I think not. Video games give people the opportunity to have fun, and to blow off steam if needed. I know that when i get angry id rather play a game such as DoD:S or CS:S then to go out and actually massacre people. But all in all I'm just one man, and one man's opinions don't really matter, this is why I cant stand Hilary Clinton, after all she DID try and ban video games from the US (her reasoning was to "protect the families of America".)
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I hate people who think video games cause violent behavior......."Oh boy.....someone just killed 20 people, and he plays video games, that MUST be the cause!"
Video games are meant to entertain by bending the laws and allowing us to do things that we cannot do in our life. People who blame video games for violent behavior should look at it this way, if a game can cause someone to kill, dont blame the game, that person was messed up enough to not know the difference between right and wrong, its not the games fault, its the parents fault that they didnt realize this.
Video games dont kill people, stupid people kill people.
| QUOTE | | The truth is that in the past 10 years teenage crime has decreased by 40% in the US. That's right. |
A common mistake people make(including the media) is they highlight the numbers that rise, and they end of giving off wrong data. Crime as been declining for some time now, the reason you see "crime rate has risen 10%" and stuff like that, is simply because more crimes are being reported than before.
Look at it this way, say 1000 crimes take place, only 10 are reported. The media looks at that as a low crime rate. Now, lets say 500 crimes take place, but 100 are reported, they try to say crime has risen, whereas what really happened is crime is falling, but the number of reported crimes have risen.
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| 04/17/07 22:24 |
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| QUOTE | | Video games are meant to entertain by bending the laws and allowing us to do things that we cannot do in our life. People who blame video games for violent behavior should look at it this way, if a game can cause someone to kill, dont blame the game, that person was messed up enough to not know the difference between right and wrong, its not the games fault, its the parents fault that they didnt realize this. |
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| QUOTE | I hate people who think video games cause violent behavior......."Oh boy.....someone just killed 20 people, and he plays video games, that MUST be the cause!"
Video games are meant to entertain by bending the laws and allowing us to do things that we cannot do in our life. People who blame video games for violent behavior should look at it this way, if a game can cause someone to kill, dont blame the game, that person was messed up enough to not know the difference between right and wrong, its not the games fault, its the parents fault that they didnt realize this.
Video games dont kill people, stupid people kill people.
| QUOTE | | The truth is that in the past 10 years teenage crime has decreased by 40% in the US. That's right. |
A common mistake people make(including the media) is they highlight the numbers that rise, and they end of giving off wrong data. Crime as been declining for some time now, the reason you see "crime rate has risen 10%" and stuff like that, is simply because more crimes are being reported than before.
Look at it this way, say 1000 crimes take place, only 10 are reported. The media looks at that as a low crime rate. Now, lets say 500 crimes take place, but 100 are reported, they try to say crime has risen, whereas what really happened is crime is falling, but the number of reported crimes have risen. |
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In 1993 Violent crimes in general started to decline, even today the slope of that decline is still headed down. In 1993, Doom and Virtua Fighter were released. Coincidence?
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I think not.
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| 04/17/07 22:41 |
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Add to that, if Hillary and Thompson really want to protect the families of America, they should go support the families of that America.
How about instead of spending money and time to rail against Video Games, they spend that on Education and Support for the lower classes?
Giving people better chances at the start of their life with better schools and better support for families will do MUCH more than just banning games. Not only would (in their mind) violence be solved, but so would poverty, divorce, abandonment, school dropout rates, and ignorance.
People like Hillary and Thompson are the kind of people who want to look busy without actually doing work. They know they'll never get Video Games banned, but they don't want to do anything else, so they put up a farce.
And throughout this whole mess, nobody ever looks at the parents and teachers. I'd say they have more influence than any videogame will. Kids don't turn rotten over one game, if that were true, then I'd go on a shooting spree because I saw CBS's coverage of Iraq.
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| 04/17/07 22:48 |
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I mean...seriously...what the hell is wrong with people saying video games make people kill...you could just as easily the Emo/Goth Culture because of their look at society who went on rampages and killed people and try to ban that? has it been banned? No. Video games at just a cover up for a insuffiecent ammount of evidence against someone so they say "Video Games" and thats that. "Oh well, lets blame a shoot game till we can find the real reason!" DAMN it's annoying. Im gona go shoot off my anger in a video game instead of killing REAL people.
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true dat. But hey, you know politics these days! Logic is thrown out the window.
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| 04/17/07 22:58 |
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| 04/17/07 23:00 |
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I just don't see the connection. Are they seriously saying that people who play games in which they shoot a pixelated person no longer think that shooting people is wrong? You would have to be pretty darn into your video game to forget that. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but I would think if you are able to skew your own reality that much, you are going to do something crazy even without violent video games.
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I think placing the blame on video games is simply wrong. Counterstrike does NOT teach you to go into an educational insitution and shoot up students, rather, those "civilians" would likely be an example of what you're not suppose to let die.
Also, whats up with the media dubbing it a "massacre"? Seriously?
Whatever the case is, I'd simply blame guns and lax American gun policies over video game violence any day. The gun he used was purchased legally and nearby. :/
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They are so dam stupid!
Thousands of people play violent video games and dont go and kill people, what about them?
Fools!
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| 04/18/07 01:21 |
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| QUOTE | | In 1993 Violent crimes in general started to decline, even today the slope of that decline is still headed down. In 1993, Doom and Virtua Fighter were released. Coincidence? |
I'll come out of hiding to comment on this. The (might I add "great") book Freakenomics addresses this point. The *real* coincidence is that 1993 is exactly 20 years after abortion was legalized in the US. The mothers who previously would abandon or very poorly raise their kids now had an option to not have the kid at all. This theory is much more accurately and statistically validated than any theory that effectively mis-assumes that video games are a vent for violent tendencies.
I agree, I've played violent video games for years, but I wouldn't even join the military because I think killing people under any circumstance is wrong. Call me what you will, but I put more emphasis on life than this retarded notion of "patriotism".
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| 04/18/07 01:29 |
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My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
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BULL!
Where are the parents of those children? Didn't these children get education?
And by the way, why ban the games? If I watch the news, all I see is Iraq and Afganistan (sp?), violence. And if I watch a random music channel, all I see is half-naked women dancing in front of a guy who is ''making music'' (rap/hiphop)
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| 04/18/07 03:00 |
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well its like this, you haveto blame something, and its much easyer to blame a video game than the real concerns... much like movies were the blame for all kindes of violence in the 70's and 80's, video games are now the flavah of choice.
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Nice statement that i totally agree with.
But this boy went to a tech university, this makes me worry because it implies his personal life is quite in order and he has a nice future ahead of him. Still he decided to kill himself and take 32 people with him.
I'm scared but luckily I still have the Atlantic between me and there.
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I was shocked reading that news and for Video games to be blamed ONCE AGAIN, ridiculus.
I've been playing FPS's at the age of 12 (and still do) and could not shoot anyone nor myself under no circumstance.
This is stupidity and i cant find anymore words to describe these situations and their blamings.
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So where can I buy these games focusing on domestic violence, drink driving, rape & pedophilia?
Many people can't see beyond their own agenda or prejudices, I myself was surprised at the shooters ethnicity. Here in the UK we've had a spate of shootings (about 4) and stabbings among young people, mostly teenagers.
There has been a big fuss made mostly blaming a culture of violent music, movies & games...always someone pointing a finger & putting money into finding what's to blame rather than what could help. If you only focus on the problem you'll never see the solution -I think I read that somewhere.
What would they blame if they got everything banned? Would they start to blame free thought or would they finally realise that in the end it's the persons choice to pull the trigger, not the guns, and if they couldn't get a gun or a knife they would find something else.
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| 04/18/07 04:21 |
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| QUOTE | "In breaking news a new connection between eating/breathing and violent behaviour has been found - In all the cases of violence in our study - we've discovered the perpetrators would tear apart helpless food and attempt to consume limitless amounts of air from early childhood. Our recommendations include Ban Breathing! Ban Eating
It starts early so early childhood prevention/education against the dangers of eating and breathing should see a drop in crime!"! |
I hate scapegoats :) you can make one out of anything.
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Um...statistics...I'm not going to explain this, I'll let you work out what I mean.
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| QUOTE | Um...statistics...I'm not going to explain this, I'll let you work out what I mean.
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Don't know what exactly you wanna say with it but i totally agree with it..
But I have to be serious too..
If they eventually go bann violent video games.. Let's see how it goes with world economy.. Just look at how many sales there are for a good game.. you know how much money that is? Maybe a bit of an extreme thought but.. if a country is getting poor... What are people doing then? look at countrys who are poor..
Killing, Riots, plundering..\
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| QUOTE | Um...statistics...I'm not going to explain this, I'll let you work out what I mean.
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well that has a LOT more to do with the huge population increase than global warming, considering that the world population is more then 5x greater (don't know the exact number) then it was in the 1820's when that graph starts.
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Its real easy the world as a whole not just America, need to learn that people need to be held accountable for their actions not their past, no matter how bad, not a game, not music, not movies and so on. The fact comes down to the person is the one that committed the act not the gun. No one or no thing can make you do anything you don't want to do. You have to make the choice to do the drug to drink the drink and get drunk and drive the choice to pull the trigger. People make dumb choices everyday and people die everyday. Instead of pointing the finger at an object they need to point the finger at the one that used it. Like I said the bottom line it was his choice to handle it this way.
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Maybe the dude was getting bullied and shot everyone that ever bullied him... i dunno but if ther last weeks he was alrdy acting weird and making fake bomb alerts... get him off school... any1 heard about his projects for creative writing? they were really weird(thats what newspaper said)
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I KNEW they we're gonna bring up games... I was talking about the incident with a friend and first thing we both said about ''why he did it'' was: ''Aslong as they dont blame it on violent games''
and guess what... they do...
/sigh.. Im not in the mood to explain why thats retarded..
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| QUOTE | I KNEW they we're gonna bring up games... I was talking about the incident with a friend and first thing we both said about ''why he did it'' was: ''Aslong as they dont blame it on violent games''
and guess what... they do...
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omg not in the mood :o :o
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