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BGH122

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The lesser used Claws...

Recently I created a Claws/Regen scrapper. I did so because not many pick claws although I fear I am now beginning to see why. My general plan of action was that since claws take so little endurance that I could have 100% enhanced Stamina and 100% Regen Endurance mod, this would leave me with plenty of spare endurance to branch into the defence in Fighting pool.

So basically tell me truthfully and brutally: Do claws suck so badly that I should just give up now and make a different scrapper? If so which?

Thanks!

04/24/07 17:04

Kid Standard

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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First off, welcome to the site!

I've tried a couple of different scrappers. I haven't seen the claws do any worse than any other type -- I think the swords are just flashier, and martial arts tends to fit more concepts, so they're maybe used more often.

I'm not sure what the problem you see with your claws scrapper is, though. Give us a better idea so we can make some suggestions about how to respec it? There's something of value in any pool out there (even the dreaded energy/energy blaster with its huge knockback potential -- one of my personal favorites).

That said, I've got fighting pool on said blaster. It's a waste of three power slots and I'm respeccing out of it as soon as possible. The added resistance and defense are minimal, and the attack powers are pretty much useless (I had Kick on my attack tray for about five minutes before replacing it with a temp power). As a scrapper, you've probably got far better defenses already in place in your secondary pool.

04/24/07 17:18

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

less damage and more endo. more endo=more damage. so you should be better in the long run

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04/24/07 18:43

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

claws are good, especially follow up, its a low-damage attack that boosts damage and accuracy for a bit, and it takes about 3 seconds to reset. its good. also, there are 2 ranged attacks later on (which is weird, i dont think claws are that good at making shockwaves through the air...), and those are useful. well, the lvl 32 power is kinda lame, i dont know why anyone would need a cone ranged knockback power on a scrapper.

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04/24/07 19:12

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

i think i read somewhere that claws has the highest sustained damage per second of any scrapper primary

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04/24/07 19:15

LordStarwolf

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

I've been delving into claws quite a bit lately and have found them to be plenty good for damage. And the low end use means there is always power for them and the quick recharge means they are always up. I have no complaints at all.

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04/24/07 19:24

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Well to me they TOTALLY suck in the beginning. But then again I used a stalker with that combo. Still the accuracy and damage was completely useless that I was forced to team otherwise it would take me forever to complete a mish. I'm assuming everything is the same for scrappers. But may I say that NO power set completely sucks and should be discarded. There is always a way to make sets better. Heres my small example

Fire Corrupter
High: Incredible damage
Low: Endurance runs out so fast with high costing attacks. Would die often (irrelevent to the point)

My Solution: The ever so loved Stamina!

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04/24/07 20:16

Malicious_Intent_2001

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Welcome to the fold!

Claws are fun. As long as you enjoy them, then you should try them for a while.

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04/24/07 21:06

Sturmwolf

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

My Claw/Regen is Lvl 28 atm and he never sucked IMO.
The dmg of a single clawattack isn't that high, but the fast recharge, low end-cost and pretty long attackchain make the DPS overall pretty good.
And he is some kind of a blitzkrieg.
No breaks for end or health....just fightfightfight.

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04/25/07 05:00

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

I have a Claw/Regen and I have not seen the downside to them yet. Just like every set that you create has pros/cons, so will Claws. But all in all, this is a very strong set and is well balanced...definitely has melee, has AoE, and even have ranged attacks. Can't beat that in a build, especially a Scrapper whose main job is to deal melee damage.

And like was stated earlier, Claws is a low end usage set, with a high recharge rate, which equals a higher DPS..which will allow you to run a few more toggles than the other sets can, if you need to.

Overall, a great build to run with.

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04/25/07 07:12

Thundarpants

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Claws are just a little different playstyle than the other Scrappers. It's the only Scrapper primary that I could stick to and like.

If you have had any experience with other Scrappers then it is a little bit of a struggle in the beginning because each attack isn't generating the DPS that you would expect. But once you settle into the set a little, you realize that the fast recharge and versatility in the set mesh nicely. It usually takes a couple attacks under your belt though. They blossom a little later in the build than the others.

As you progress, that fast recharge on the attacks will finaly put that Regen secondary to work. You will have stuff qued up so fast that you will never be lacking an attack to execute.

It just has to be a concept you like. If you like the animations, and have a good reason to like the character, the set is worth sticking with. Most people just can't get past the early stages because they were expecting higher DPS right off the bat. They ramp up with the other Scrappers just fine once the better attacks start being available.

04/25/07 08:25

Lunar One

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

CLAWS ROCK!!!! Okay just had to get that out there. Scrappers are my first love. And those two powersets are at the top of the list. Claws is fast, fast and fast. You will quickly wittle down a bad guy before you know it. I would put accuracy in first and then add damage. You wont have to worry really about Endurance. You will rack up XP quickly early on. Fastest toon I ever leveled. If you have questions dont hesitate to ask me or any of the other people here.

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04/25/07 09:07

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Firstly, great to see so many warm and welcoming replies - I was a little shocked to see so many had responded (I'm used to other forums where people can take a day or more to reply).

Thanks for the help! And I may have mis-stated my views originally. I don't think claws suck, in fact I absolutely love their animations, I simply wanted to know what others thought of them since I have been finding them a little inaccurate. I'm assuming I had best up their accuracy through origins then.

Next problem: My health gets very low very fast despite having both 'fitness - health' and Regen's equivalent. Both are at +45.5% and I was hoping that branching into fitness would have made an incredible difference. Any advice on which moves I should enhance? Am I going at this wrong, should I be making my attacks own rather than trying to 'outlast' an enemy with Regen?

((Sorry for my utter noobishness at this, I am an Empathy healer by standard, this is the first scrapper I have liked - My MA/SR flopped))

04/25/07 11:04

Rockshock

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

I never chose claws just due to the fact that their such a blatent rip off of a certain marvel hero that is seriously overused.

04/25/07 11:18

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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I never chose claws just due to the fact that their such a blatent rip off of a certain marvel hero that is seriously overused.

This was a point a friend of mine raised. However, look closely at the claws: they are a attached to a box on top of your hand - not the hand itself. This is far more 'Freddy' than Wolverine. Although no doubt that is just to avoid copyrighting issues.

04/25/07 11:21

Kid Standard

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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I never chose claws just due to the fact that their such a blatent rip off of a certain marvel hero that is seriously overused.

Huh. Freddy scrapper.

Huh.

- Warning: Horror Geek Alert. - Warning: Horror Geek Alert. -

Huh.

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04/25/07 11:27

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Heh I guess Freddy would technically have to be a Stalker with Claws due to the fact he is evil! >.<

04/25/07 11:30

Kid Standard

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Heh I guess Freddy would technically have to be a Stalker with Claws due to the fact he is evil! >.<

There you go, boxing people in with your stereotypes. ;)

Kidding. Really. But hey, I made the Riddler as a mind control/force field defender once. I find CoV less fun in general than CoH, not just because it's villains.

04/25/07 11:36

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Heh I guess Freddy would technically have to be a Stalker with Claws due to the fact he is evil! >.<

Agreed - it seems much laggier and less worked on. It just isn't much fun. There really isn't any point in teaming, but hey: this is a different topic now :D

04/25/07 11:43

Lunar One

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

Remember that regen does nothing to mitigate damage. it just heals you alot faster. When you get int the higher levels and have it three slotted it will regenerate faster. One thing you can do is take things like Combat jumping or stealth with Edurance reduction and also Defence inhancements. It has made my scrapper ALOT more sturdy. Just my opinion. It also depends on how you play.

04/25/07 11:48

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Great advice! I want the benefits of SR but without the disgracefully poor endurance (my original scrapper - MA/SR just got owned by low End). Thanks for the suggestion.

04/25/07 11:52

Lunar One

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Great advice! I want the benefits of SR but without the disgracefully poor endurance (my original scrapper - MA/SR just got owned by low End). Thanks for the suggestion.

Another thing you can try would be to make an MA/Regen. That is what my 50 is. Also Claws/SR is a good grouping because claws is so low on endurance.

04/25/07 11:55

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Great advice! I want the benefits of SR but without the disgracefully poor endurance (my original scrapper - MA/SR just got owned by low End). Thanks for the suggestion.

Another thing you can try would be to make an MA/Regen. That is what my 50 is. Also Claws/SR is a good grouping because claws is so low on endurance.

Great! I'll give a claws/SR a go, it was actually a C/SR on a team (seen at much higher levels with my healer) that inspired my Claws scrapper ((Off to go do that, thanks for help XD))

04/25/07 11:58

Lunar One

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Great advice! I want the benefits of SR but without the disgracefully poor endurance (my original scrapper - MA/SR just got owned by low End). Thanks for the suggestion.

Another thing you can try would be to make an MA/Regen. That is what my 50 is. Also Claws/SR is a good grouping because claws is so low on endurance.

Great! I'll give a claws/SR a go, it was actually a C/SR on a team (seen at much higher levels with my healer) that inspired my Claws scrapper ((Off to go do that, thanks for help XD))

Sure no problem. Just remember if there is a primary you want to try to see what it plays like group it with Regen. that way you wont have the endurance problems and you can learn how that primary works. And if you want to try a secodary group it with claws. That way you can learn about it without endurance problems. That is how I learned all the different quirks with the scrapper ATs. Just my suggestion =)

Edit: Oh and have fun =) If it does not work like you want dont give up. Sometimes it just takes getting used to the powerset.

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04/25/07 12:01

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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I was a little shocked to see so many had responded (I'm used to other forums where people can take a day or more to reply).

well that is simply because... how can i put this nicely... we have what you might call an addiction to both the site (while we are at work) and the game (when not at work) as you can probably see from the discussion that you and Lunar have going right now.

it usually takes on average a minute and 7 seconds before you get a reply to a post, depending on time of day/night.

lets see, what else...

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04/25/07 12:01

Lunar One

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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I was a little shocked to see so many had responded (I'm used to other forums where people can take a day or more to reply).

Also want to add to Bigs post here. That you will find different Ampers know alot about certain AT. I know Big is well versed on Tankers. Others are well versed in other AT. I would name them but there are so many great ampers that know so manything I would not want to offend anyone =)

04/25/07 12:04

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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I was a little shocked to see so many had responded (I'm used to other forums where people can take a day or more to reply).

Yeah, what he said...

MA/Regen was my first ever toon, my first ever 50 :) So i have love for them...just have to watch your end as MA will suck it all up very quickly (thank goodness for Conserve Energy in Body Mastery).

I'd say if you want to mitigate the damage that the /Regen set brings, cause yes, you will take a lot of damage, use some suggestions above, CJ, Hover, even the fighting pool...however, I would recommend that you stick with the theme and gain some powers that will allow you to heal faster. I'd say in this case, grab hasten, which will allow your self heals, etc. recharge faster, that way you'll be able to heal with more frequency. Make sure you also have enough Recharges enhancements in your heals as well to speed up this process.

With my MA/Regen, i tried the other options and they just didn't seem to make that much of a difference for me to be wasting the selections and slots on, so I respec'd and focused on being able to get my heals to recharge faster. The damage i took remained the same, however, my ability to heal increased = longer fighting ability (thank goodness for dull pain and IH). Even with IH being a click now, it can still be back up before even the toughest fight is over with hasten and 3 slotted with Recharge enhancements.

Try keeping with the regen theme and you'll see a difference in your play style. Dont think damage mitigation with a regen, think more healing or faster healing and work out those solutions.

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04/25/07 12:14

Thundarpants

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Hi, my name is Thundar and I have a problem.......

(The problem is that the drive time from my work PC to my home PC takes too long!)

04/25/07 12:58

BGH122

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RE: The lesser used Claws...

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Hi, my name is Thundar and I have a problem.......

(The problem is that the drive time from my work PC to my home PC takes too long!)

He he!

(we all have that damned problem... Why can't science fix something useful for once? :D)

04/25/07 13:31

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