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rexsking

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mesmer as 2nd

plz tell me wht will best suit me if i had a mesmer fr a 2nd prof. I like to stay alive aslong as possible and deal good damage. thanks.

05/19/07 20:21

Outcast_Of_tyria

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

I like the recurring soul barbs as a Me/N and focusing on degen and using soul barbs for damage

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05/19/07 20:40

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Probably monk, and if you have Fast Casting maxed, close to maxed, or higher with rune then you can use the non-attribute monk res within around 3-4 sec lol.

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05/19/07 20:49

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

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Probably monk, and if you have Fast Casting maxed, close to maxed, or higher with rune then you can use the non-attribute monk res within around 3-4 sec lol.

would it make any difference if i had mes/monk?

05/20/07 00:57

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Big difference.

What he's talking about won't work with a Mo/Me. Fast Casting is the Mes primary attribute. Monks get Divine Favor. Extra healing when you cast a monk spell.

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05/20/07 01:48

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

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Big difference.

What he's talking about won't work with a Mo/Me. Fast Casting is the Mes primary attribute. Monks get Divine Favor. Extra healing when you cast a monk spell.

So i should become me/mo? thanks

05/20/07 01:57

2xKnight

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Well, it depends what you want to be able to do.

If you want to rez people very quickly, Me/Mo is the way to go... but!!! You don't even have to be a monk to do that.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I was in pre.

If you're starting the character in Proph, you can get that rez by trying out the monk prof as your secondary. Since it's a no attribute spell, you get to keep it no matter what 2nd prof you decide on.

However. There's no way you'd out heal a Mo/*. Some points in divine favor help a lot. IMO the only Prof that made a decent monk replacement was Ne/Mo before the soul reaping nerf. Simply because you didn't need to worry about energy as much as long as the team kept killin'.

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05/20/07 02:12

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

thing is, if you are a mesmer monk then your healing spells won;t be any good. And you'll have to play mesmer rather than monk. I'm guessing this is your first char and mesmers are very difficult to play. I don't recommend it.

Furthermore, Mesmers do not deal big damage and they die easily, they arn't the things you want.

If I were you, I'd make an Ele/M and use the ele earth tree for all my defense and damage dealing! They own, especially in Nightfall. Then use your mesmer side to add complimentary spells such as power spike (as eles have no interupt).

Good luck, and most of all.

ENJOY YER'SELF!

05/20/07 02:15

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

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Thanks, i thnk i will become a ele/mes as u said, why wont monk healing spells be good if ur mesmer/monk?

05/20/07 02:55

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Wouldnt it more wise 2 me mes/ele instead of ele/mes because than u can cast spells faster...correct me if im wrong because i am not thinking of the armor effectiveness and so on....

05/20/07 02:57

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

wooops...double clicked

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05/20/07 02:57

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

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Wouldnt it more wise 2 me mes/ele instead of ele/mes because than u can cast spells faster...

Problem with that equation is of course that doing that with mesmer energy pool leaves you without energy real quick. Atleast until you find all the inspiration skills to rip out energy from foes

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05/20/07 03:21

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Furthermore, Mesmers do not deal big damage and they die easily, they arn't the things you want.

Pure mesmer builds are only really useful for taking out single targets super fast, much quicker than any other profession
A Me/E with almost maxed fast casting can easily do more damage than an ele, you should see me in AB with my mesmer, I destroy eles with me FC Fire build before they get 2 spells off, I take out groups of opponents in seconds if they dont move too, with an ele after people see one spell go off they start moving, mesmer they dont get the chance because by the time they start moving the mesmers already shot off all their spells
A mesmer could also out heal a monk again because of fast casting, they'd need superior energy management though to keep quickly casting spells
With the right build a mesmer can reduce damage done to themselves than any other profession (possibly not the monk)
They have mantras which are very powerful but often overlooked, used in conjunction with the right spells you take very little damage

05/20/07 04:18

Lunarman

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Monks primary attribute means they heal for a certain amount extra on every monk spell they cast, plus they can get up to 16 in healing prayers with runes.

05/20/07 05:11

chiellus

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Mesmers do not do a lot of damage? Tell that to all those warriors, ele's and dervishes I beat, and to the monks that casted themselves to death....

A mesmer shuts a character down: when they move they kill themselves, when they don't they'll live, but are totally ineffective for around 10-30 seconds depending on the build used against them. Or they cannot do a thing since their energy gets stolen...

So... Every character is powerfull in it's own right, just people don't seem to see it when they cannot play that character.

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05/20/07 07:09

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

I myself have a Me/Mo and it's really good. I dont use the monk skills much, just rez and maybe heal area but it works well with the dmg a mesmer can do and the fact that mesmers are generally targeted by NPCs and Players alike that u can effectivly heal yourself.

Hope this helps.

05/20/07 08:37

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Thanks very1 for ur help, i will rate every1. Just 1 question..... As I said above, I like to stay alive as long as possible and do good damage.... So should I choose ele/mes or mes/ele? If i focus on inspiration skills on mes/ele, wont that make a good difference so which 1 to do as i said above? Thanks again.

05/21/07 01:49

Lunarman

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

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Oh, I was't putting down mesmers. I have a mesmer myself and I love it. A bit of SS, empathy, reckless haste, clumsiness. Oh the fun you can have with melee fighters. What I meant though is that in PvE mesmers large damage-single target output isn't so good as the foes generally need less beating to drop. Shiro ,on the other hand, still remembers the thrashing I dealt him.

Mesmers are a great class but I'd only try them after you've played through campaigns with 4 or so other chars. Due to their slightly steeper learning curve.

05/21/07 02:33

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

I think mes/ele, focusing on inspiration is the way to go, rather than ele/mes for surviving as long as possible and dealing good damage. correct me if im wrong...

05/21/07 04:53

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

i suggest that you dont use mesmer/anything where "anything" is the profession from which the skills you are using my suggestion to deal damage and stay alive go mesmer/Monk focus on Domination magic for the damage then split up inspiration magic and healing magic for the energy and healing

05/21/07 07:08

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

A lot of good chat on Mesmers! Mesmers are misunderstood (but can be fun to play, I love Ineptitude personally).

I would suggest you start as E/Me and try something like Echo Nuking (Fire) or if you have NF, Sandstorm (Earth).

I did beat Factions as a Me/E playing with Fire and Inspiration but it was a tough sell to get into non-Guild parties.

Good luck with your choice and enjoy!

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05/21/07 09:21

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

thanks every1 for your comments.
kinda off the subjrct but if i wanted to stay aliveas long as possible and deal a wallop of damage what should i be wit 1st and 2nd prof? (does not hav 2 be mesmer)
I heard ra/me is quite good and war/mes war/ele mes/ele ele/mes..........

05/21/07 23:38

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

if im not ele as 1st can i still use spells like ether prodigy,ether renewal and stuff like dat cause wont have energy storage....plz answer my oher ques 2

05/21/07 23:48

Outcast_Of_tyria

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

for the first question is would suggest Ele/Mo for high dmg output and you still have the self healing

and yes you can still use the skills if you not ele they just wont be very effective

05/21/07 23:56

lord_gkar

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

I have a mesmer and I can basically do almost anything with the class

mesmer are good single dmg dealer if you looking to stay alive long,,, it is not the primary to use unless you have the team for it (tank, monk, ele, necro)

mesmer primary is VERY dependent on the team you in in order to be effective

mesmer secondary is really limitting you (unless you want to echo skills) as much as I like mesmer, I will not use this as a secondary unless on heroes for specific mission

my personnal combo is Me/Mo ineptitude built high degen, wwith raise chant, energy tapp and well wont tell all my secrets :)

but FYI I beated the 3 campaign using Me/Mo (profecie being what used to be called a rezmer) so any who if you make a me/mo look me up in game and I may be able to help a tadd, but I say again a mesmer without a good support team is not a long lived option, regardless of mantra and self heal and stuff

05/22/07 01:42

rexsking

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Thanks, I made up m mind for primary but shouldi be ele/monk or ele/mes?

05/22/07 02:45

IamHighVoltage

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E/Me vs E/Mo

If you are planning on being a full time Ele, my suggestion is to use mesmer as secondary. Ele skills generally use a lot of energy, and while you have a nice large pool, its alway good to keep it topped up. :) Put a few points into inspiration and you have many skills at your command that will help you with your energy management. Example: combine channeling with an attunement and you can actually gain energy when casting spells if enough enemies are around.

Monk secondary does give you access to many great self heals, but if you are in a party, that is what a monk is for. Aura of Restoration is an amazing self heal, I rarely find the need to add another, therefore I almost never use monk as secondary.

Just my 2 cents :)

05/22/07 08:16

Mesmer Master

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

Rex,

I'm sorry I didnt I get to answer your posts sooner.

First of all for those of you dont know: Eles have both INTERUPTS and KNOCKDOWNS ! (Even the FireImps know that)

(See Water Magic for Ele Interupts)

Malestrom interupts spells with a 2 sec cast time and has 10 second window.

Icy Prism is pretty sweet on warriors who rely on Heal Signet, this spell interupts signets and if your lucky on your timing you can disable their current signet and his/her teamates signets as well, 1 sec cast time.

Alternative for interupts are knockdowns and the Ele spells are full of knowdowns. One of my favorites used to be Metoer Shower, foes are knocked down every 3 secs for so many sec's.

Energy ???
Eles have way better managment skills for energy, fact I am jealous and mad. It kinda makes sense in a way because Eles need a very large pool of energy and good management skills to use their damage dealing spells.

Eles have more diverse Energy Management spells than Mesmers, lets leave it to that!

However know that Eles and Mesmer are both squishys and dont have the best self heals in the game. (Especially when it comes to Conditions) Playing either a Mesmer or Ele will be fatal if you dont pay attention. Once you get mobbed, spells like blindness, wards, armour increasement will only help you out to an extent. Therefore I personally would recommend taking a Monk Secondary for either class (if you havent been playing for long). And then once you ascended in which ever campaign your in, change it to whatever you want. Go Ele/Me or Ele/A or Ele/D whatever floats your boat!

Now getting back to some of your earlier comments!
Experimenting with Mesmers in PvP will be very fun but unless you paid the additional 40.00 (?) bucks to unlock that core set skills for PvP. it can take awhile unlocking skills through faction. Soo.... if you dont want to spend that additional 40 bucks per campaign to unlock all pvp skills. Create a PvE character. Boo yea!

Rex hear me when I say this, mesmers are not misplaced in PvE. People who say that are the same ppl who dont know Sins are burst attackers and use their Sins as tanks! Then cry about being Sin is hard. Any profession presents its challenges, some professions like the Ele class are real easy to see what theyre doing. Like dealing massive damage. Other classes it takes experience to know what one person is doing. Any new person wouldnt know the diff between a bonder and a healer nor recognize the signs that a monk is bonding! That my friend is why many ppl dont see the damage Mesmers are doing or capable of doing.

You seem persuaded by previous comments to disbandon the Mesmer Class entirey in favor of another class. However before you give up being a Mesmer atleast try one for a week in PvE. I am always here for help as well many are.

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05/22/07 23:59

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05/22/07 23:59

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RE: mesmer as 2nd

In my opinion, a Me/ele can stay alive for a long time,and still do lots of damage. Put points into the Earth line of Ele for your defenses, then use Mesmer skills for damage and energy management.

I'm kinda just doing this off the top of my head, but if you put points into 3 lines (earth for defense, domination for damage, and inspiration for energy management) you wont have very many points to put into fast casting. So you have to ask yourself, do you want to put a few extra points into fast casting, OR go Ele/Me and put those few extra points into Energy storage and have a bit more energy.

Either way you go, i think you can make a good combination with those 2 classes. In fact, as im thinking thiss stuff up, i might go try a build with this and see how well i can make with it.

In the end though, its all about trying different stuff out, if you dont like it, start a new character and try it a different way :)

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