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Whats a good build for killing those pesky stalkers out there? Mainly looking for as many stealth/Hide seeing powers as i can get and invis/SS/? (? = other from a power set if we can get it in there), And ofcourse a good means to kill them after you sight them in.
Would of put this under one of the Archtypes topics but didnt know what one to make it yet ^&^. Tho, i have a feeling it will be blaster.
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| 05/24/07 00:56 |
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Well, blasters are powerful but the only power they can get to see stalkers is perception from the leadership pool. There are a few powers in thier secondaries that can make a stalker come out of hide and interupt thier assassins strike like blazing aura, lightning field, and hot feet, but not much else.
If you really want to make an anti-stalker, make an ice tanker, with whatever secondary, preferably energy melee. Ice armors chilling embrace is perfect for bringing a stalker out of hide and stopping AS since it doesn't need an accuracy check and it slows whatever gets near you. Also, thier elemental shield Glacial armor has a +perception, so you can see the stalkers before they can sneak up on you. Energy melee has excellent burst damg, decent recharge with disorient and good chances to knock off toggles.
That's my recomendations, but it's best to experiment and find whatever works best for you.
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| 05/24/07 01:26 |
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Xogg
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ok got two things to add.
1.) Might be wrong as i have never played one in PvP but i always thought that tnaks wouldnt be that good at PvP.Like I said tho have never tryed one and if i was wrong to think so will be willing to try one.
2.) What power from leadership gives the +Perception?
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| 05/24/07 02:45 |
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| QUOTE | ok got two things to add.
1.) Might be wrong as i have never played one in PvP but i always thought that tnaks wouldnt be that good at PvP.Like I said tho have never tryed one and if i was wrong to think so will be willing to try one.
2.) What power from leadership gives the +Perception? |
1.) You'd be surprised what ATs are good at PvP. Attack power is not everything
2.) The power from the leadership pool that gives perception is Tactics. It also gives a bonus to your accuracy, but is not very big unless your a controller or defender.
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| 05/24/07 03:13 |
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Hmmm. I just did some messing around with my Hero builder and seen some stuff that brings up a new point.
What about a Scrapper? (I know i'm going to hear "it's my choise" but asking to see what you guys think). Theres two sec. power sets that have a +Perception power. Dark Armor has Cloak of Darkness, And Super Refluxes has Focused Senses (the later can be gotten at lvl 2 a big +).
So I guess what i'm asking is wouldn't a Ice tank With Glacial Armor, Tactics, and Focused Accuraccy (Energy Epic pool) beable to see the same stealth level as a Scrapper with Focused Senses, Tactics, and Focused Accuraccy (Body Mastery)? If so the scrapper would be able to get the first two alot faster then the tank.
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| 05/24/07 04:30 |
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Although tanks can sometimes see Stalkers, and good stalker will always be moving out of melee. Since a tank only has melee attacks...
Go Ice Blast or Fire Blast, Devices secondary. Cloaking Device+Targtting Drone+Tactics, and you will be stealthed AND seeing most any stalker. Caltrops to bring em out of hide, TP Foe and Trip Mines if you want to be a little death-trap.
For Fire Blast I recommend taking Fire Blast, Fire Ball, Aim, and Blaze. Its a bit of a tight build.
Ice, I say Ice Blast, the smaller Ice Blast, Aim and Bitter Ice Blast. Most stalkers will have their hold protection by the time they get to Sirens Call, so the ice holds arent worth it.
Those two setups are by far the most popular, and efficient, stalker hunters.
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| 05/24/07 07:18 |
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| QUOTE | | So I guess what i'm asking is wouldn't a Ice tank With Glacial Armor, Tactics, and Focused Accuraccy (Energy Epic pool) beable to see the same stealth level as a Scrapper with Focused Senses, Tactics, and Focused Accuraccy (Body Mastery)? If so the scrapper would be able to get the first two alot faster then the tank. |
I cant speak for Focused Senses, but ice/EM tank would be great for PvP. Glacial armor and tactics let you see most stalkers relatively close (100' or so IIRC).
| QUOTE | | Although tanks can sometimes see Stalkers, and good stalker will always be moving out of melee. Since a tank only has melee attacks... |
Yes, this is a problem. Not so much for tanks as it is for brutes. But stalkers are also melee characters. Even if the stalker kites while fighting, he has to come into melee range to attack as well.
The stragetery that I normally do when fighting people that move a lot is to have an attacked queued up while they are moving. That way, when they enter melee range, the power fires automatically. If they keep moving, they have to do the same thing to hit you.
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Go Ice Blast or Fire Blast, Devices secondary. Cloaking Device+Targtting Drone+Tactics, and you will be stealthed AND seeing most any stalker. Caltrops to bring em out of hide, TP Foe and Trip Mines if you want to be a little death-trap.
For Fire Blast I recommend taking Fire Blast, Fire Ball, Aim, and Blaze. Its a bit of a tight build.
Ice, I say Ice Blast, the smaller Ice Blast, Aim and Bitter Ice Blast. Most stalkers will have their hold protection by the time they get to Sirens Call, so the ice holds arent worth it.
Those two setups are by far the most popular, and efficient, stalker hunters. |
Sounds gooda to me if you like blasterinos
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| 05/24/07 08:59 |
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Would of put this under one of the Archtypes topics but didnt know what one to make it yet ^&^. Tho, i have a feeling it will be blaster. |
In a one on one confrontation with a stalker, you're probably better off with a Tanker or a Scrapper. They seem to be able to handle that initial assassin strike. An assassin strike on most blaster spells doom.
However, I've had some success with my fast high flying, always moving, cloaked energy/energy blaster in PvP zones when you have a number PvP players on both sides. The stalkers seem to prefer stationary ground targets. I like flying around (not hovering) cloaked and waiting for a stalker to uncloak and strike. Once he does, I uncloak, lock on, and hit him with something that has some knockback or stun. If I'm lucky and he's unable to immediately flee the scene, I can then powerup, aim, snipe and deliver anything else I have.
BTW, stalkers don't seem to have a problem seeing my blaster when I'm invisible but I believe you get some DEF+ while inviso and the other villains may not see you unless they have the right power set.
Overall, as a blaster, I prefer to hunt stalkers as opposed to waiting around and hoping I can see them before they strike.
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| 05/24/07 12:16 |
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Just for my own knowledge do powers like Hot Feet, Death Shroud, or Lightning Field hit the stalkers when they are in Stealth mode, do do they slide by the "to hit" check untill after they attack and drop out of it?
I saw the comments about the Ice Tanker's power that doesn't require a to hit check. That seemed pretty darn handy.
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| 05/24/07 13:37 |
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| QUOTE | | Just for my own knowledge do powers like Hot Feet, Death Shroud, or Lightning Field hit the stalkers when they are in Stealth mode, do do they slide by the "to hit" check until after they attack and drop out of it? |
I believe most, if not all, stalkers get an AoE shield which gives them a TON of defense against AoE attacks. I think Hide is one of these types of shields. I know Blazing Aura and Icicles need at 2 or 3 Acc SOs to have a decent chance at knocking Stalkers out of a hidden state.
I think the tank damage auras also have a better chance to-hit than the other ATs.
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| 05/24/07 15:44 |
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I think an AR/Dev would be good. You can get SS for opening range when you have too and combined with CD you are the equivalent of invisible but still able to fire, targeting drone plus tactics to see them and the first few attacks in AR rare very accurate at close range. I just tested with BMG and he hit about 85-90% of the time at point blank range, and a lot of the attacks have knockback to break up the stalker attack, along with flamethrowers dot to prevent rehide. Add in caltrops to knock them out of hide if you get a whiff that one is around and you got a good anti-stalker build. But I think it would take into the thirties to be really good at it. You could also think blapper and take a few of the shields from power pools (especially since you didn't have to take the concealment pool) like weave for defense to maybe miss the AS.
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| 05/24/07 16:41 |
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try this for anti stalker. I'm giving you 2 builds. Ice/Fire Blaster and Spines/Dark Scrapper
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Name: Anti-Stalker
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Fire Manipulation
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01 => Ring of Fire ==> Empty(1)
01 => Ice Blast ==> Empty(1)
02 => Ice Bolt ==> Empty(2)
04 => Fire Sword ==> Empty(4)
06 => Aim ==> Empty(6)
08 => Freeze Ray ==> Empty(8)
10 => Hasten ==> Empty(10)
12 => Swift ==> Empty(12)
14 => Super Speed ==> Empty(14)
16 => Build Up ==> Empty(16)
18 => Bitter Ice Blast ==> Empty(18)
20 => Health ==> Empty(20)
22 => Stamina ==> Empty(22)
24 => Blazing Aura ==> Empty(24)
26 => Bitter Freeze Ray ==> Empty(26)
28 => Consume ==> Empty(28)
30 => Assault ==> Empty(30)
32 => Tactics ==> Empty(32)
35 => Burn ==> Empty(35)
38 => Hot Feet ==> Empty(38)
41 => Personal Force Field ==> Empty(41)
44 => Temp Invulnerability ==> Empty(44)
47 => Force of Nature ==> Empty(47)
49 => Blizzard ==> Empty(49)
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01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)
Remember since this is a PvP build it would probably be best to respec into it. with PFF you should avoid most ASes. with the combo of Burn/Hot feet/Blazing Aura/Tactics i would think that you would be able to get rid of hide/ interupt it. and sure many say that stalkers have hold protection by this point, but you are forgetting that ice has 2 holds and these holds stack. therefor you can hold them
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Name: N/A
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Dark Armor
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01 => Dark Embrace ==> Empty(1)
01 => Lunge ==> Empty(1)
02 => Death Shroud ==> Empty(2)
04 => Barb Swipe ==> Empty(4)
06 => Murky Cloud ==> Empty(6)
08 => Impale ==> Empty(8)
10 => Obsidian Shield ==> Empty(10)
12 => Swift ==> Empty(12)
14 => Health ==> Empty(14)
16 => Dark Regeneration ==> Empty(16)
18 => Hasten ==> Empty(18)
20 => Stamina ==> Empty(20)
22 => Super Speed ==> Empty(22)
24 => Quills ==> Empty(24)
26 => Cloak of Darkness ==> Empty(26)
28 => Ripper ==> Empty(28)
30 => Cloak of Fear ==> Empty(30)
32 => Throw Spines ==> Empty(32)
35 => Assault ==> Empty(35)
38 => Tactics ==> Empty(38)
41 => Build Up ==> Empty(41)
44 => Petrifying Gaze ==> Empty(44)
47 => Dark Blast ==> Empty(47)
49 => Tenebrous Tentacles ==> Empty(49)
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01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)
This one right here uses death shroud and quills as a double PBAoE to try to hit hide. odds are that you should be able to. i left out spine burst as most PvP is 1 on 1
i hope your happy
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Hand of Blood Lvl X Spines/Regen Stalker...Triumph
Mystic Entity lvl 24 Katana/Regen Scrapper...Champion
Panzer Faust Lvl 23 SS/Energy Brute (retired)...Protector
Arbiter Darkwind Lvl 33 Thugs/Dark MM (retired)...Protector
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| 05/24/07 18:42 |
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I've got one more build for you. Elec/Traps. here you will have double perception and double stealth as well as nice end sapping. I also realized that i you get the ice EPP you could smack a snow storm on a stalker making placate impossible, it would also expose his other stalker-buddies and slow him down in general. secondly you could use hibernate to heal after a nasty AS, or if things get tough
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Name: N/A
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Electrical Blast
Secondary: Devices
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01 => Web Grenade ==> Empty(1)
01 => Lightning Bolt ==> Empty(1)
02 => Charged Bolts ==> Empty(2)
04 => Caltrops ==> Empty(4)
06 => Short Circuit ==> Empty(6)
08 => Hasten ==> Empty(8)
10 => Targeting Drone ==> Empty(10)
12 => Hurdle ==> Empty(12)
14 => Super Speed ==> Empty(14)
16 => Aim ==> Empty(16)
18 => Tesla Cage ==> Empty(18)
20 => Health ==> Empty(20)
22 => Stamina ==> Empty(22)
24 => Cloaking Device ==> Empty(24)
26 => Voltaic Sentinel ==> Empty(26)
28 => Trip Mine ==> Empty(28)
30 => Assault ==> Empty(30)
32 => Tactics ==> Empty(32)
35 => Thunderous Blast ==> Empty(35)
38 => Auto Turret ==> Empty(38)
41 => Snow Storm ==> Empty(41)
44 => Frozen Armor ==> Empty(44)
47 => Hibernate ==> Empty(47)
49 => Flash Freeze ==> Empty(49)
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01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)
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Forgot to post the build hehe
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Hand of Blood Lvl X Spines/Regen Stalker...Triumph
Mystic Entity lvl 24 Katana/Regen Scrapper...Champion
Panzer Faust Lvl 23 SS/Energy Brute (retired)...Protector
Arbiter Darkwind Lvl 33 Thugs/Dark MM (retired)...Protector
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| 05/24/07 18:46 |
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Just a reminder, Super Speed Does not give a layer of stealth to players only critters. So you dont get a layer of hide with SS in PvP essentially
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| 05/24/07 19:43 |
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| QUOTE | | Just a reminder, Super Speed Does not give a layer of stealth to players only critters. So you dont get a layer of hide with SS in PvP essentially |
Really never know that, thats good to know.
So whats the most layers of stealth a Stalker can have two or three?
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| 05/25/07 02:19 |
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3, hide, stealth, and that IO.
in that case on all of those builds sub out SS and hasten for TP foe and TP
Hand of Blood Lvl X Spines/Regen Stalker...Triumph
Mystic Entity lvl 24 Katana/Regen Scrapper...Champion
Panzer Faust Lvl 23 SS/Energy Brute (retired)...Protector
Arbiter Darkwind Lvl 33 Thugs/Dark MM (retired)...Protector
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| 05/25/07 06:35 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Just a reminder, Super Speed Does not give a layer of stealth to players only critters. So you dont get a layer of hide with SS in PvP essentially |
Really never know that, thats good to know.
So whats the most layers of stealth a Stalker can have two or three? |
with no assistance from other players, i believe invis/stealth and hide. for some reason i feel like i'm forgetting something else, though.
It's not really layers of perception/stealth, it's distance that they are able to be seen at.
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| 05/25/07 06:42 |
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I wouldn't even really bother with it anymore. With the stealth IO + hide + stealth the stalker will be at the -perception cap and able to attack from it. That means that no amount of +perception will let you see them from further than 10 ft away. Which also means that the stalker will always have the upper hand until he chooses not to.
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| 05/25/07 14:58 |
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i got a trick to defeat a stalker in a snap, but keep a low profile
if you have the jet pack from the GvE edition use it then fly all the way to the top, then drop your HP will drop to one, use yor aims and build ups to kill him, next thing you know, theyre dead, they way you kill them fast is BLASTERS cool trick, jump high or fly high then drop, you HP will drop, your damage raises, i learned this from a friend, he killed a brute using this trick
btw use the build, Ice/energy very good in pvP/PvE
and the name: Anti-Stalker is not a bad name
Good luck you your road to victory
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Dark-Claw level 22 claw/dark scrapper
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-The Wrecker level 3 electric/energy brute
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| 05/26/07 23:59 |
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| QUOTE | i got a trick to defeat a stalker in a snap, but keep a low profile
if you have the jet pack from the GvE edition use it then fly all the way to the top, then drop your HP will drop to one, use yor aims and build ups to kill him, next thing you know, theyre dead, they way you kill them fast is BLASTERS cool trick, jump high or fly high then drop, you HP will drop, your damage raises, i learned this from a friend, he killed a brute using this trick
btw use the build, Ice/energy very good in pvP/PvE
and the name: Anti-Stalker is not a bad name
Good luck you your road to victory |
My ice/energy eats EVERYTHING alive, without this trick
and even with it, an ice/energy cant see a stalker
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| 05/27/07 00:27 |
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