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bytekhan

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Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Okay, so it is Fathers Day and I'm flipping thru my HD channels and on Discovery HD I catch what looks like some CoH stuff! I'm like WOW (no pun intended), and continued watching as they profiled a company run by a guy in San Jose CA who uses Romanian labor to level characters. They even covered a character by the name of "Chill Bubbly" (I believe I have the name right) and how she paid to have her character go from level 1 to 40 in about 10 days. They also talked about WoW and other online RPG but CoH was well represented.

Did anyone else catch this on Sunday or in the past? How do people feel about leveling a character like this?

At first it kinda bugged me that people would pay other people to level but then I thought why not? Part of my enjoyment of CoH comes from knowing that I've earned every little point of xp on my own. However, seeing this woman at home enjoying time with her kids and husband made me think that maybe this ain't so bad of an idea. For the record, she has high level toons in CoH that she didn't have leveled and she felt comfortable saying that she's done "her time". In other words, she wasn't some new player who hadn't spent already spent hours and hours playing the game.

06/18/07 15:45

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LordXenophon

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Join almost any PvP SG and they'll level you to 40 in 10 hours for free, just so you can join them in RV.

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06/18/07 15:56

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relytnos

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

1 to 40??? there must be some cheat codes out there unless they have a level one character team up with a lvl 50 team...hmm now theres an idea...crap why didn't i think of this during double xp weekend i could've easily gotten to level 40.
*shakes head sadly with regret

06/18/07 16:09

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RonJ73

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

You can easily power level a character from 1-40 in 10 days if you have a "team of professionals" doing it. Think, they have people who are Level 50s. They have people they're probably power leveling from 40-50, so they have automatic bridges. Then they have the 1-40 character they're taking care of. It would take no time at all.

Heck, even the 10 hour exageration wasn't too far off.

City of Heroes/Villains
Onion - L50 - Katana/Super Reflexes/Body Mastery Scrapper
Scotch Bonnet Girl - L50 - Fire Aura/Fire Melee/Pyre Mastery Tanker
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Aurora Australis - L50 - Willpower/Energy Melee Tanker

06/18/07 16:24

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Donovan Wolf

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

As for me i'm kinda torn on the subject. After all if they have the money to throw around like that it's their account, their buisness.

However

Basically if you just PL yourself to 50 you miss out on alot. You miss out on the gameplay, the story arcs, the feel of the charicter as he progresses to the high level. Not only those things you miss out on meeting alot of people and making alot of friends while your slogging it out. I have friends on there that i've known since I started this game, met a few of em in fact. I got my 50 the old fashioned way, I earned it.

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Big Puppy-lvl 50 super strength/energy aura brute
Silver Puppy-Lvl 50 Peacebringer
Gargoyle Icestorm-Lvl 50 ice/storm controller
Nether Puppy-lvl 28 Warshade
Candella Midnight- lvl 34 ill/kin controller
Captain F Bomb-lvl 35 dark/elect defender
Porcupine X-lvl 32 spine/willpower scrapper
Various others. . .altoholic maximus
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06/18/07 16:27

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Thundarpants

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

This isn't directed at any specific poster, but on the topic and OP.

Consider this...... How exactally do they PL you?

"Please give us your user name and password"

And you pay for it......

"Please give us your credit card number or pay pal account"

Welcome to the wonderful world of identity theft.

Not to mention, PL'd characters are teh suxxor. So wow, you've got a shiny new 40. That you know absolutely nothing about how to play it. I've had them on my teams before, and wish I hadn't.

Letting anyone access your account to level your characters is against the user agreement, so whether you like it or not. Power Leveling services are a bad thing. Filling the server with a lot of high level idiots, and potentially getting you banned. In this case it's NOT your 15$ a month and your choice, it's about an agreement that you scanned by without reading and AGREED to before you started playing the game. But you agreed to it none the less.

"No, I won't cheat"
*Waits till no one is looking, and then cheats anyways*

Now if you happen to have a SG/VG that wants to PL you and train you in the process, that's a different story. You gotta play it, they will be teaching you faster than you can learn it on your own. There are a lot of good groups out there that are great Super Powered Trainers. And if you learn under their teachings, then you will play more like they do, thus promoting a better SG/VG.

Just say no to Power Leveling........ Learn to Play. Play to Learn.

06/18/07 16:43

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bytekhan

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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Just say no to Power Leveling........ Learn to Play. Play to Learn.

You make some good points ThunderPants and I agree with the above completely. However, let me alter the question a bit:

If I have a level 40 character on lets say Champion and I have a bunch of gameamp friends I want to play with on Triumph, would it be unethical to pay someone to power level a character to 40 with this same exact build on Triumph?

I know how to play this toon, I've taken the time to play with this toon, but I just want to play this same toon on a different server in order to have a more enjoyable experience with my buds.

(I'm assuming that you can't copy a character from one server to another (except to test) and that my credit card and all that good stuff is safe in this fictional scenario)

06/18/07 17:03

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pathofwrath

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

I'm of the opinion that people are allowed to play the game however they'd like. Personally, I don't think I could ever bring myself to use a pay-for-leveling service. I have done a fair amount of bridging. And I've often (whenever the chance arises) taken the low (sometimes very dangerous) sk spot on a team just for the XP. But when I do that, I'm not just sitting around watching the XP roll in. I actually work for it. I just miss more than others.

Path of Wrath - Storm/Elec/Elec Defender - 50
Miss Trinidad - Ill/Storm/Ice Controller - 50
Miss Cote d'Ivoire - Dark/Regen/Dark Scrapper - 50
Posey Punk - Grav/Kin/Stone Controller - 50
Mr. Azerbaijan - Kin/Psy Defender - 40
Laccolith - Earth/Rad Controller - 30
Geriatric Justice - Willpower/SS Tanker - 21

06/18/07 17:04

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giles202

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

I have a question, is it considered power lvling if you are lvl 40 getting sked by a 50 having him run drek over and over while you heal him?

This is Paramore:

If you don't know them, why are you reading this?

06/18/07 17:38

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White Hot Flash

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

I consider Power Leveling when you are chosen not for your powers, but because you happen to be the correct level for everyone to get max XP. You stand there with your bridger/sidekick by the door while a tank with a pocket emp clears the same mish over and over again. And when you, the bridger, level up yourself in the process, you are asked to leave the team or are booted unceremoniously because you are bringing down the xp for the lowbie.

I'm not saying I've never been in a mish where everything was purple to me, but I am still willing to attempt to use my powers and do some sort of good for the team. If I die, the debt will be quickly erased. If I can't hit a damn thing, I ask to be sidekicked up higher if possible.

Basically, if there is no risk in you being in the mish because you aren't in harm's way, you are being PL'd.

Currently playing:

Champion Server:
White Hot Flash lvl 50 Energy/Elec/Force Blaster (woo hoo!)
Kid White Flash lvl 39 Elec/Energy Blaster
Unspoken Threat lvl 47 Ninja/DM/Soul Mastermind
White Hot Knight lvl 44 Peacebringer
Ghost of BlueBeard lvl 32 Dark/Dark Scrapper
Mini Fridge 3000 lvl 33 Ice/Ice Blaster
Grim Watchman lvl 15 Warshade
Triumph Server:
Schwarzen Knight lvl 45 BS/Regen/Dark Scrapper (part of Alliance)
This-Guy lvl 11 Fire/Energy Blaster
Protector Server:
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Bossman Bot lvl 13 Thugs/FF Mastermind

06/19/07 11:02

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Cold_Zone_II

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Paying to be leveled is wrong, because is violates the EULA, which you must accept everytime your launch the game.

Since joining GameAMP, the general consensus is that PLing is frowned upon. Players weill come up with all kinds of reasons why they should be PLed, and I have my own:

1. It's double XP weekend, and I run with the High levels in my SG for max XP gains. But I don't just stand there raking in the XP and sipping on a nice cold Coke, while these guys boogie. What's the point of playing, without playing?

2. I'm bridging my SG mates. Again, I don't stand around doing nothing.

3. My healer is need for a farming mish. Again, guess what I'm not doing... that's right, not standing around.

I play this way sometimes when my SG requests it, but in the end, I still know how to play my toons. There are days when I will spend hours exemping to help out newer SG members, so some days I just feel like gaining some "easier" XP.

But if you're going to provide your account information to someone and pay them to level your toon, then you're looking to get banned. The last thing CoX players want to see, is CoX turning into WoW.

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06/19/07 13:26

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relytnos

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

It sounds like everyone here is split on the subject, so maybe we should have a sort of pros and cons bit:

Pros:

Cons:

06/19/07 13:46

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RonJ73

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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If I have a level 40 character on lets say Champion and I have a bunch of gameamp friends I want to play with on Triumph, would it be unethical to pay someone to power level a character to 40 with this same exact build on Triumph?

My thought on this is...more than likely, you have friends in the 40-50 range. Have THEM PL you instead of paying a service to do it.

Remember, it's NOT against the End User License Agreement to have a friend Bridge Sidekick you up so you can get up lots of levels and get back to where you "should be" on another server.

It *IS* against the EULA to give someone your username and password.

06/19/07 16:03

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Thundarpants

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Sorry I didn't hit this one again sooner, but RonJ answered the questions as I would have. It's is against the agreement you made with the game's designers when you agreed to play. No one but yourself is allowed access to that account. When you break the rules, it is ALWAYS unethical. Reguardless of other players dissreguard for the EULA.

But..... to address your specific variation. You want a similar character on a secondary server to run with friends.

This would depend on just how good of friends that they are. If they want to run with you badly because they think you are a cool dude, they will most likely assist you in leveling the character. I've gotten plenty of characters to level 10 in a weekend solo, and I've had plenty of SG characters at level 12-20 on level 30-50 plow teams and watched them get 5-6 levels a night. Sometimes more.

In the course of just a couple of weeks, you can easily be in the high 30's. With no one behind the wheel but yourself.

After level 20, you don't need to power level, you just need to sidekick and you can play with your new friends all you want(Maybe after level 22 and an SO refit). Besides, don't they have some altoholics that can run with you at your level? Most people have multiple toons on their primary server.

Now if you want a level 40 character on a second server just to impress them, and make new friends. No one likes a shortcut player. Even if you know the powers, if you'll cheat at this, what will you cheat at next? It sends a bad signal about your personality because you don't want to put the effort into the reward, you just want the reward.

So, you don't tell them. Now you have started this new friendship out by keeping secrets. Not a great start to a new friendship, is it?

Yes, this is Power Leveling. You are skipping the content, but you won't be teh sux because you know the combo of powers. Because you have taken the time to be the one that manages your own characters, how much content you want to experience is up to you. You would have had to interact with people to get the result, even if rushed.

And for the record, there are no pros and cons. When it comes to breaking the user agreement, we do not support that activity here even though many have a "Do what you want with your account" attitude about the subject. This site promotes the game, not how to cheat at it.

Would I like to have my Fire/Kinetics Troller on every server? Hell yeah. But that means I gotta play it for 50 levels, 10-12 different times.

What you are looking for here is a quick fix to circumvent the effort. Understandable, but if you want your level 40 character to be level 40 on multiple servers, you need to sit your butt down behind that computer and get it there. For all intents and purposes, each server is a completely different game and community. Part of leveling your character means cohabitating with the server population. You need to be there for that.

06/19/07 17:10

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bytekhan

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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Hmm...

What I find interesting is that there is no legit way to move a character from one server to another. Its obviously not a hard thing to do. You can copy a toon from any server to Test when its up and NCsoft wants you to test out some things for them or if there is some group event.

So if way back 3 years ago, you happened to choose the wrong low populated server and you spent the time and hard work developing a character on that server, you are pretty much stuck with that character on that server. This doesn't seem very "user friendly".

As a loyal long time customer, shouldn't I be given some option to move a character from one server to another? Maybe I'd only be able to do it once a year or with some penalty but still it seems like one should be able in some capacity to move a toon from one server to another.

06/19/07 17:49

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bytekhan

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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What you are looking for here is a quick fix to circumvent the effort. Understandable, but if you want your level 40 character to be level 40 on multiple servers, you need to sit your butt down behind that computer and get it there. For all intents and purposes, each server is a completely different game and community. Part of leveling your character means cohabitating with the server population. You need to be there for that.

First of all, I'm just posing questions. I'm certainly not looking for any shortcuts and in fact, I've never even power leveled a toon. I really enjoy playing the game. However, power leveling and paying some one to level you aside, it just seems like there should be a legit way to move from one server to another. I've got a 34 and 20 on Freedom so I've spent my time there. I've got a 26 and 40 on Champion. I don't want multiple copies of these characters on Freedom and Champion. I just want the option of moving toons from one server to another.

How about a Veteran's Reward that allows me to move one character for every year I've been playing (and paying) CoH? Or is even that to much to ask?

06/19/07 18:23

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Deadman54

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Ah yes Server Transfer, or should I say lack thereof rears it's ugly head once again, Nas and I have been waiting for this for quite some time now. I've all but given up on this and started a variation of my main on Triumph about a month ago, and in limited time most of it solo I've hit 30 with him, not too shabby. Paid Power lvling = Bad Idea, just hop on in game and get to grinding some xp, you'll have a much better feeling about that toon if you do.

P.S I would just like the Devs to to either say yea or nay to the server transfer once and for all sometime before I'm old and grey.

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06/19/07 18:36

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RonJ73

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Amen. I'd love to see Server Transfer. I think everyone would. Even if it were like WoW where you have to pay X dollars for it. To just have the option would be great.

Granted, you would lose your Supergroup info. But still, not that big a deal. They could even penalize you by removing your influence.

Having it cost money would curb the people who wanted to abandon a "slow" server.

We'll see. Hopefully it'll happen some day.

06/19/07 19:09

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Xolquar

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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Most anyone with a fire/kin can get you to 40 in 10 hours.

I had a friend, PvPer, get an ice/energy blaster to 50 in 16 hours.

Clicky.

06/20/07 01:40

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Thundarpants

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

Server transfer would be the best solution IMO too. But as it is that is not an option and they keep pushing it off.

If you want to play on a different server, for now, the solution is to play on another server. From level 1 to whatever.

This is still a hot topic in the community for this game and because it is important to the players it will always be "somewhere" out there in the twisting nether for them to consider. But as the playerbase has proven time and time again, that leveling a character quickly is easy no matter what they do to the game, it will never be a priority over new content.

Because you can SK and Exemp, a feature completely impossible for other games like WoW. Thus allowing you to play with players of almost any range. This also kills the priority need of any character transfer features.

I know your not looking for a quick fix. My post got kinda general as it rambled on. The request for character transfers should be more of a priority to them. It is a valid option for the wish list. It just ain't gonna happen, so you should consider ways to get your character leveled up within the EULA.

Without going off too much on PL'ing. Some of it is fun when done right and the group SK's everybody up and everybody fights/contributes. I'm sure you can get some suggestions for leveling quickly from the folks here.

06/20/07 10:03

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Chunkaliscious

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

It would be interesting to know how long her account is going to remain in active status. She was on T.V. showing proof positive of violating the E.U.L.A. She obviously did not think through the repercussions of having her story told on t.v. and the subsequent attention on fan sites. I've even had a couple of non-gaming friends, who know I play CoX, ask me about her. I'm betting that by the end of the week her account will be banned.

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06/20/07 16:30

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G-pa Wisdom

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I get powerleveld 1-20 mostly just because I can't stand tanking at a low level, and yes I do pl for pl if they want it.
But usually nothing beyond 20
I do bridge and sometimes sit at the entrance and talk on game amp but sometimes i dont...

06/23/07 22:34

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Amadaeus

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

I'm just going to reply to the original post to prevent my post from getting like 3 pages long...

First, I think your attitude of enjoying actually earning every exp point you gain is the best attitude to have in these kinds of games. I personally share it and think it's the only truely right way to play. That being said, I hope you understand my opinions:

Being powerleveled is the lazy way through, whether you pay someone to do it or not. If you want to make a new character, then you should be prepared to do what you need to to earn your levels. Notice I said earn, not just gain, as there is a difference (and a big one at that). If you don't feel like going through the lower levels, then use the simple, effective solution that I do: play your higher-leveled characters until you do feel like playing the lower ones. For you altoholics out there, this'll help you get a 50 or two.
Every build is different, and should have the time and (more importantly) effort put into learning it and using it as effectively as you can. If you just sit at the entrance of a mission or get someone else to level it for you, then you're learning absolutely nothing about how to use that character under those situations.
Same concept goes for being side-kicked over huge gaps of levels, you're not as helpful to your team as you would be if you had all the powers/enhancements/slots that you would normally at those levels. Granted, this is a more flexible opinion since, if your team doesn't mind this, then there shouldn't be a problem as long as you try to contribute.

As far as catching up to friends on other servers, putting in your own work into your character gives them solid proof that you deserve to be where you are and that you'll be valuble in future missions, etc. Also, you could ask them to make a new character to play through with your lower one to make the experience more fun.

As for the family thing...if you're playing the game so much that you're starting to neglect family/friends/etc., then for your sake you should either take a long break for the game, or quit entirely, because there's a real problem if that's the case.

In short, playing the game is the process of learning and using your new characters and builds, and have fun doing it. If you make two characters with the same power sets, then try to pick different powers in each and dip into other pools to make them more interesting to play. Otherwise, you're just screwing yoourself over and making it less fun then it could be.

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06/24/07 16:24

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pathofwrath

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

In the end, what someone does with there 15 bucks a month is their business.

06/24/07 17:24

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RonJ73

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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Being powerleveled is the lazy way through, whether you pay someone to do it or not. If you want to make a new character, then you should be prepared to do what you need to to earn your levels. Notice I said earn, not just gain, as there is a difference (and a big one at that). If you don't feel like going through the lower levels, then use the simple, effective solution that I do: play your higher-leveled characters until you do feel like playing the lower ones. For you altoholics out there, this'll help you get a 50 or two.

One important thing to remember about this. You're talking about "laziness" and "earning" your levels. Quite frankly, you're making this GAME sound like WORK. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm a 34 year old man with a full time job, house responsibilities, cleaning, cooking, pets, a partner and a variety of other things. I play this game for ENJOYMENT, not for WORK. I've been playing CoH for over 30 months. That's 2 and a half years. I've tried every AT, just about every power set and leveled them to reasonable places. Quite frankly, if I feel like powerleveling a friend or having a friend powerlevel me, I'll do it. I know I've done the content. I know he or she has done the content. I know I'm comfortable with the powers. I know he or she is comfortable with the powers. So, why the heck not?

My only issue is people who have NOT done all the content, powerleveling and then teaming at high levels and not knowing anything about the actual game. However, for most of the vetern players, if you want to powerlevel, especially through the "no travel power" levels, have at it.

06/24/07 20:22

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bigspeer

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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In the end, what someone does with there 15 bucks a month is their business.

as long as it doesn't violate the EULA...

06/25/07 06:25

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pathofwrath

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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In the end, what someone does with there 15 bucks a month is their business.

as long as it doesn't violate the EULA...

Still their business. Might be against the EULA, but it's still their money. If they want to risk losing their account, let them.

06/25/07 06:34

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Phedre_D

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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In the end, what someone does with there 15 bucks a month is their business.

as long as it doesn't violate the EULA...

Still their business. Might be against the EULA, but it's still their money. If they want to risk losing their account, let them.

I strongly disagree with you, Path. What you say is about the same as saying breaking into people's houses is oke as long as you don't get caught. Or break into yours, probably.

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06/25/07 06:49

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bigspeer

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

it may be their business, but then their business is wrong.

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06/25/07 08:08

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pathofwrath

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RE: Discovery HD Theatre and paying to level a toon...

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In the end, what someone does with there 15 bucks a month is their business.

as long as it doesn't violate the EULA...

Still their business. Might be against the EULA, but it's still their money. If they want to risk losing their account, let them.

I strongly disagree with you, Path. What you say is about the same as saying breaking into people's houses is oke as long as you don't get caught. Or break into yours, probably.

I didn't say there shouldn't be consequences for violating the EULA. But it's not my place to tell someone they shouldn't power level. If you want to take that role upon yourself Phe, go for it.

And the example of breaking into a house is flawed. The act of breaking into someone's house is not the same as power leveling. Violating the EULA doesn't effect anyone but the person doing it.

06/25/07 09:14

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