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I have high level characters over level 30 and lately in my search remarks I have stated that I am not interested in doing missions set to invincible. This is because I do not find playing at that level enjoyable and I dislike fighting all purples.
As long as I get some xp for kills and missions I am content but it is not the sole reason I play.
I am a quiet looker I do not openly broadcast that I am looking. I just set the symbol to looking for anything and this works well for me.
Here is what has been happening lately. I get invited to a team and they choose a mission set to invincible and I remind the inviter that I am not interested in missions set to invincible and PLEASE choose another mission or I will go elsewhere. If the mission is already underway I will stay and complete the mission but remind them if the next mission is set to invincible I will be considering going elsewhere. And lastly before the invite I get remarks from potential team members asking me to change my mind and do missions set to invincible. In one case I was called a "Soft Hero".
The only reason I have received so far to why play at this level is for the "great xp". Seeing that almost all of my teams that I join are pugs playing at this level the debt can easily out pace any xp gained.
Here is the following questions.
1.) Why do you play missions set on invincible?
2.) Am I being unreasonable for preferring not to play at this level?
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| 06/28/07 13:41 |
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giles202
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| QUOTE | I have high level characters over level 30 and lately in my search remarks I have stated that I am not interested in doing missions set to invincible. This is because I do not find playing at that level enjoyable and I dislike fighting all purples.
As long as I get some xp for kills and missions I am content but it is not the sole reason I play.
I am a quiet looker I do not openly broadcast that I am looking. I just set the symbol to looking for anything and this works well for me.
Here is what has been happening lately. I get invited to a team and they choose a mission set to invincible and I remind the inviter that I am not interested in missions set to invincible and PLEASE choose another mission or I will go elsewhere. If the mission is already underway I will stay and complete the mission but remind them if the next mission is set to invincible I will be considering going elsewhere. And lastly before the invite I get remarks from potential team members asking me to change my mind and do missions set to invincible. In one case I was called a "Soft Hero".
The only reason I have received so far to why play at this level is for the "great xp". Seeing that almost all of my teams that I join are pugs playing at this level the debt can easily out pace any xp gained.
Here is the following questions.
1.) Why do you play missions set on invincible?
2.) Am I being unreasonable for preferring not to play at this level? |
Ppl play invinc. b/c it yields more xp than the average, most invinc mishes are capable of being soloed. And no you are not "unreasonable" in the least, its just that once u get higher ppl want to fight AV's that are yielding nice xp, which you would be fighting an elite boss on heroic lol.
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| 06/28/07 13:44 |
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You're not being unreasonable. Play how you want to play.
Aside from the potential for greater XP gain/minute, I'd say people play on Invincible because it's tougher and more exciting. That's why I do it.
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| 06/28/07 13:58 |
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I don't think you are being unreasonable. You pay the money every month so you are certainly entitled to play your way. Higher level play at Invincible is OK but I too often see lower level teams setting their slider all the way up and it is just too much to handle sometimes. For instance, I will always check the level setting on a Hollows mission because there is no way that Invincible Hollows missions are going to be anything but a debt-fest.
Incidentally, I believe xp gain is actually higher at the lower difficulty settings. XP per mob might be higher on Invincible, but it tends to take longer to mow through higher-level mobs so your actual XP/minute can actually go down. I remember reading something a while ago that gave the highest XP/minute gain for Tenacious and Unyielding.
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| 06/28/07 14:03 |
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| QUOTE | You're not being unreasonable. Play how you want to play.
Aside from the potential for greater XP gain/minute, I'd say people play on Invincible because it's tougher and more exciting. That's why I do it. |
Ditto, Im with big on the excitement part. I love hanging right on the frayed ends of sanity in missions. After you clear the room, you can go "WHEW" and really feel it.
Your not unreasonable in the least. PUGs can be dangerous, and get you a lot of debt. My diff settings depends on the toon im playing at the time, where I fall in the level gap of the group, as well as the Group AT make up.
But do as you wish I say, I never think poorly of a person who puts a request out there like yours. To each his own. I say.
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| 06/28/07 14:14 |
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| QUOTE | 1.) Why do you play missions set on invincible?
2.) Am I being unreasonable for preferring not to play at this level? |
Nope. You are not beeing unreasonable.
I run on invincible all the time when I'm teaming with the SG, and on much lower settings if running solo. The crew I'm running with have been around a long time and we do it for the challenge. Debt doesn't really bother any of us because we are so good at clearing it.
A lot about your situation will depend upon the team makeup you are on. Are those invincible missions for players at the lower end of the level scale? For instance, the team is comprised of 5 players. A level 40, 39, 41, 38 and 37. The invincible setting on the level 37 and 38 missions are still going to to drop reds, oranges and yellows to the higher levels. What level are you in that make up? If you were a level 37-39 or an exemp'd player on that team, you can't ask then to turn it down. But finding a team that is more at your level is probably a good idea.
Just always remember to leave on a good note, and let them get the attitude. Politely let them know that you think the difficulty level is too high for your liking, and will be looking for a different team.... happy hunting.
Even though I run on Invincible a lot, I do tend to turn it back if we have too many SK'd players on the team. A fully slotted team of 40's running on Invincible, with decent team balance is like unleashing hell on earth, but isn't even a challenge some days. Especially when you have a lot of seasoned veterans on the team. And the community population is full of a lot of seasoned players. So there are a lot of players out there that won't run on any other setting.
If you prefer to run on lower settings, that's not in any way a bad thing. Anyone that tells you that it is in game is just being a jerk, so ignore their comments, or ignore them altogether with your ignore list. You can find nicer people to play with.
But what you have to realize is that you can't join a team and then say "I don't like your difficulty level. You should turn it down.". It is their team, and you just joined in. They didn't consider your preference in mission difficulty, they were probably just looking for someone with your particular talents. Most seasoned veteran teams assume that they can keep everyone alive with a minimum of debt. Even the PUGs they get to fill needed roles in the group.
I'm definately not implying that you came across in any rude way to those players. But simply asking them to turn it down would be irksome to a group of vets that know what they are doing. They don't need it turned down to complete it without everybody wiping over and over in the mission.
My advise would be one of 2 choices:
1) Run your own teams. You have the star, you call the shots, you dictate the difficulty of the missions that you want to run today. There are a lot of players that like the mid level ranges for the missions. You should be able to find people to flesh out your run that have similar interests.
2) Give the Invincible setting another try with the group you are with. I run on invincible when I run with TWWP, but I do not when I run in PUGs. The difference is the experience playing, and playing together. Take note of the chat, are these people all friends? Do they seem to already know each other? Do they all have the same SG banner over their head?
We regularly pick up PUG members on our teams when they ask nice, or if we need to fill a spot. In a lot of cases we get the exact same responce: "Invincible!? You guys are nutz. We're all going to die!" And then 2 pulls later they go "Oh, OK we're not going to die. DAMN! This is fun!"
The difference between invincible being a fun challenge and a debt fest is the group you are with.
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| 06/28/07 14:36 |
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Thundarpants pretty much summed up my feelings as well.
I have a toon on Champion that is only run with Mithril Zeta and Gambler Omega. All 3 of us must be on to run them and we run them on invincible. We found that anything less just isn't a challenge. We team well together and can mow through about anything we come across. When we do get some debt we are able to clear it within a mission or two.
But other than that specific set of characters I usually solo or group with SG members. For those, most of my missions are heroic unless a specific team looks like we can go tougher.
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| 06/28/07 14:52 |
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To anyone who plays around with difficulty settings, there is a key tool you should install and use.
HeroStats.
It's a little program that runs in the background and keeps track of all sorts of neat information about your character. Accuracy of powers, damaged done to various enemies and all sorts of other things. But in this case, the most important thing it does is analyze Experience per Minute.
Try setting yourself on Heroic. Run 4-8 missions. See what your XP/Min is. Then try other settings.
I've found that with Onion, while I was still leveling him anyway, I didn't have much trouble completing missions on Invincible, however, they took longer to do than Rugged missions. So I ran herostats and found that by doing missions on Rugged, I was actually netting a significant amount more XP/Minute than I was running on Invincible.
I'm sure, on my fire tank, one of the settings that gives bigger spawns would net more XP/Minute, but I haven't tried it yet.
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| 06/28/07 15:39 |
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bergmann
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Is it safe to say that the vast majority of players set to invincible are tanks and scrappers? This has been my experience so far. It is very rare that I come across a controller set to invicible.
Just so you know most of my high level characters are controllers to help give perspective on how I see it.
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| 06/28/07 16:07 |
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| QUOTE | Is it safe to say that the vast majority of players set to invincible are tanks and scrappers? This has been my experience so far. It is very rare that I come across a controller set to invicible.
Just so you know most of my high level characters are controllers to help give perspective on how I see it. |
Every character i have has it set to invinc, troller, 'fender, tank, scrapper, blaster, PB or WS. The mishes are ez, so much that you can solo them if you have a somewhat decent offensive ability.
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| 06/28/07 16:09 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Is it safe to say that the vast majority of players set to invincible are tanks and scrappers? This has been my experience so far. It is very rare that I come across a controller set to invicible.
Just so you know most of my high level characters are controllers to help give perspective on how I see it. |
Every character i have has it set to invinc, troller, 'fender, tank, scrapper, blaster, PB or WS. The mishes are ez, so much that you can solo them if you have a somewhat decent offensive ability. |
Quite a few controllers will run on invincible, especially once they get their pets.
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| 06/28/07 17:01 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | Is it safe to say that the vast majority of players set to invincible are tanks and scrappers? This has been my experience so far. It is very rare that I come across a controller set to invicible.
Just so you know most of my high level characters are controllers to help give perspective on how I see it. |
Every character i have has it set to invinc, troller, 'fender, tank, scrapper, blaster, PB or WS. The mishes are ez, so much that you can solo them if you have a somewhat decent offensive ability. |
Quite a few controllers will run on invincible, especially once they get their pets. |
Even if you do have the pets, and the villains are capable to be taken down with ease, dont get over-confident on it cuz it can all go bad with a misguided pet
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| 06/28/07 17:02 |
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After running herostats and comparing Xp per minute, I found that invincible was really bad the XP per minute was half the amount gotten for lower settings. I nevre play on invincible. It's just too slow going.
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| 06/28/07 20:18 |
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| QUOTE | You're not being unreasonable. Play how you want to play.
Aside from the potential for greater XP gain/minute, I'd say people play on Invincible because it's tougher and more exciting. That's why I do it. |
i have to agree with big here.
I have several hundred.......ehhh a couple of alts that i play and some i find i have to set the diff up higher to be a challlenge and some must stay on heroic i think for the challenge aspect in my expieriences some AT's (for me of course) offer no challenge at all unless the diff is jacked way up. Others if i go one higher than heroic i am screwed.
it is your $15 a month you play how you want to play, and if people don't understand find new people.
i am sure i just restated most of which has been stated but that is my opinion.
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| 06/29/07 02:51 |
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The Only Thing That At High Lvls Is Bad About Invincible Mission Is The Higher Chance Of Attaining Alot Of Debt, But Then More xp Is Worth It I think
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