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Not sure if this is in the right place, but i think my friend's acc has been hacked into. I've seen his acc on, but he is on vacation so this doesn't seem likely. Secondly, the person on doesn't respond, which is atypical of my friend. The e-mail address for this account no longer exists. And I can't prove ownership with the keys since they are at my friend's house. IS the only I can do log on to the account whenever the person logs on? Any help would be great.
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| 07/06/07 15:58 |
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Can't you sent een e-mail to A-net saying the e-mail the account is on has been deleted and you would like to put it on an other e-mail?
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| 07/06/07 16:02 |
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Uhhh, i am pretty sure that they verify that you are the one in charge of the account. Otherwise, a hacker could just change the e-mail address to another so you couldn't log in.
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| 07/06/07 16:26 |
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I would be very cautious with this. It is YOUR FRIEND'S account, not yours. A-Net does not look kindly on those who use accounts registered to others - whether they are a friend or not. My suggestion would be to get a hold of your friend and let them know your concerns. Then your friend can deal with the problem with THEIR account. There is nothing that you can do about your friend's account.
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| 07/06/07 16:38 |
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I'm going to transfer all his valuable stuff to my account for now. Then when he gets back, he can solve the problem.
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| 07/06/07 17:20 |
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Thats a good idea dude.....
Like Beano said, you definetly do NOT want to tell A-net you have access to your friends acount. They will ban you both without a seconds hesitation. Best to leave them out of it.
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| 07/07/07 10:14 |
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Now we alll hope that gaile gray doesn't see this :X
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| 07/07/07 10:25 |
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If you have access to his account as you say,
change the password as soon as possible to something long with letters in.
its very unlikely that somebody could hack his account without him telling somebody his password or accidently using his password for something else.
there are keyloggers etc but thats unlikely.
what u need to do is go into edit account on character screen to change the password.
( also tell ur freind what uve changed it to )
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| 07/07/07 16:19 |
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That is a good suggestion, but it will not work if there is an NC-Soft account connected to it.
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| 07/07/07 17:14 |
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| QUOTE | | Like Beano said, you definetly do NOT want to tell A-net you have access to your friends acount. They will ban you both without a seconds hesitation. Best to leave them out of it. |
Nope, they wont ban for it. Me and harrow have been on each others account, we have not kept it secret both in-game and on forums like this. I have also searched the EULA and there is NOTHING that says your account will be banned if you share it with a friend. The only reason they sugguest not sharing it is your friend might jack your account....me and harrow a pretty close friends in real life, so we dont worry about that happening.
And if you know somewhere that it says you will be banned for sharing accounts, please, let me know as I am unable to find anything. Also, this is sharing accounts with someone who also owns GW, this is not sharing it between people, where only 1 has an account.
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| 07/07/07 17:42 |
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I agree with mwpeck. It is like allowing your friend to run over to your house to get something for you.
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| 07/07/07 19:10 |
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| QUOTE | | And if you know somewhere that it says you will be banned for sharing accounts, please, let me know as I am unable to find anything. Also, this is sharing accounts with someone who also owns GW, this is not sharing it between people, where only 1 has an account. |
I based my statement on this:
( I made the important parts Yellow )
Like every other online game, anyone who wants to have a Guild Wars Game Account needs to have his/her own copy of the game. There is never a monthly fee to play Guild Wars, so you will have tremendous savings over most online games. Spawning multiple copies from a single purchase is disallowed and account sharing is a breach of the Rules of Conduct.
Which can be found in its complete form here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/faq/prophecies-faq.php
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Section 4a deals with minors. If you are under 18 you are supposed to have your parents create your GW account and allow you exclusive use to it, thats as close a provision to "legal" account sharing as I am aware of.
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There is also this:
3. LICENSE TO USE
Subject to the terms of this Agreement, NC Interactive grants to you, for your personal use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable (except as permitted in Section 4(a)) license to use the Service, and a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable (except as permitted in Section 4(a)) license to use the Software in connection with the Service, without charge except for new Campaigns and Additional Features which will be charged on a prepaid basis according to Section 5.
You may not (a) sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer the Software or the Service (or any part thereof), including without limitation access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; © create any derivative works in respect of the Software or the Service; or (d) otherwise use the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
Which can be found in its complete form here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/users-agreement.php
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It is made clear in the complete text that account suspensions or terminations can be given for anything GW wants to give them for including but not limited to the rules in all thier legal documents.
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Also, our Guild had an account that was used exclusively for storage. Originally we let pretty muh anyone in the Guild Access it, it was mainly for materials and such that folks donated to the Guild. One day the password had been changedby someone, we didn't know who at the time, so we opened a GW CS ticket, explained the situation and asked to have the password reset.
The response was unfavorable and included the information that account sharing is forbidden.
That was a log time ago and I do not have a copy of the communication.
I also saw something about this specifically on GuidWiki under comments about an update recently, but I can't seem to dig that up..........
All that having been said I want to remind anyone reading this that I do not discourage account sharing, I am just answering a question.
+++ I edited this for the sake of clarity.
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| 07/07/07 20:18 |
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But see, we both have accounts, so we are not sharing accounts for the purpose of being able to play/use of their service. Therefore it doesnt breach the EULA.
EDIT: ALSO, I'm talking strictly from what the EULA says, it mentions nothing about sharing accounts could get your account banned.
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| 07/07/07 20:34 |
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Thats definetly not how I interpret this dude.....
It makes no provision for shared accounts reguardless of whether both people own one.
It simply says sharing in not allowed.
Also, when our Guild had issue, it was made more specifically clear that account sharing is prohibited.
The EULA is just one of many documnts you agree to in order to play Guild Wars, I posted the relevant info, it seems very clear to me. I am not gonna try to convince you..
The info is right there.
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| 07/07/07 20:39 |
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| QUOTE | Thats definetly not how I interpret this dude.....
It makes no provision for shared accounts reguardless of whether both people own one.
It simply says sharing in not allowed.
Also, when our Guild had issue, it was made more specifically clear that account sharing is prohibited. |
Ok, in that case, here's a valid statement:
| QUOTE | | Like every other online game, anyone who wants to have a Guild Wars Game Account needs to have his/her own copy of the game. There is never a monthly fee to play Guild Wars, so you will have tremendous savings over most online games. Spawning multiple copies from a single purchase is disallowed and account sharing is a breach of the Rules of Conduct. |
Read the Rules of Conduct here: http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php
the ONLY thing it says about sharing is you cant offer to share your account for a price:
| QUOTE | | You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account for real-world cash or for in-game gold or items. |
It says NOTHING about sharing with a friend with no money involved, and the EULA says nothing directly about not being allowed to share an account with a friend.....therefore, per their legal documents, sharing with a friend is completely legal.
Now, this might not be how they planed it to be read, but thats exactly what it says.
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| 07/07/07 20:44 |
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I totally disagree.
You may not (a) sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer the Software or the Service (or any part thereof), including without limitation access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; © create any derivative works in respect of the Software or the Service; or (d) otherwise use the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
It is right there, and it is pretty clear...
You can filter some 0f the legal mumbo-jumbo without altering it's meaning:
You may not loan the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
Which would of course mean that unless it specifically states that sharing accounts between account holders is allowed.
If you want to interpret it some other way, thats fine with me, the Dirty Dozen is on and there is not really anything else to add.
If you still have doubts, I will post a GW CS ticket and paste the results. Of course, I already did when our guild acount was jacked and I already got a reply confirming what i have ben saying...
So maybe it is better that you do so.......
Please post your results once you have been answered if you like.
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| 07/07/07 21:01 |
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The whole point of them not allowing account sharing is because selling accounts is their main source of income unlike other MMO's like WoW.
But if mwpeck and harrow both have thier own accounts then whether they share both thier accounts or not Anet is making the same amount of money and so Anet shouldn't have a problem with that. You can askthem if you want... maybe use a different email address if you are scared that they might ban you when they hear this although I doubt they will lol.
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| 07/07/07 21:02 |
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| 07/07/07 21:04 |
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| QUOTE | I totally disagree.
You may not (a) sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer the Software or the Service (or any part thereof), including without limitation access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; © create any derivative works in respect of the Software or the Service; or (d) otherwise use the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
It is right there, and it is pretty clear...
You can filter some 0f the legal mumbo-jumbo without altering it's meaning:
You may not loan the Software or the Service except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
Which would of course mean that unless it specifically states that sharing accounts between account holders is allowed.
If you want to interpret it some other way, thats fine with me, the Dirty Dozen is on and there is not really anything else to add.
If you still have doubts, I will post a GW CS ticket and paste the results. Of course, I already did when our guild acount was jacked and I already got a reply confirming what i have ben saying...
So maybe it is better that you do so.......
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To me, that part you posted makes no affect whatsoever on account sharing....if they dont say its not allowed, then by default, its assumed to be allowed.
As for the CS Ticket, already writing one up, and I will post the results.
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| 07/07/07 21:17 |
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I started a ticket.. as soon as I get a response I will post it.
EDIT: I cannot understand how we can be reading the same paragraph and you can maintain that it does not say it is not allowed.........
Anyways, I will check back to see how they answered you tomorow, I already posted the response they sent me.
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| 07/07/07 21:19 |
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If you are under 18, you must have your parents create the account. I would think this would be considered sharing since someone created a account and let someone else using it? It is in my opinion.
All this comes down to is the EULA. We have no choice but to agree to this because if we don't we can not play the game "adhesion contract" which means take it or leave it. Most courts fine these invalid "some do though" because you can not negotiate. We pay 50 bucks a chapter "more if you have more than one account, xtra char slots in shop so forth" and the only thing we own is our memories we get from the game. According to the EULA we do not own the character, items, gold or anything.
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| 07/07/07 21:24 |
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| QUOTE | | All this comes down to is the EULA. We have no choice but to agree to this because if we don't we can not play the game "adhesion contract" which means take it or leave it. Most courts fine these invalid "some do though" because you can not negotiate. We pay 50 bucks a chapter "more if you have more than one account, xtra char slots in shop so forth" and the only thing we own is our memories we get from the game. According to the EULA we do not own the character, items, gold or anything. |
I completely agree with you there...most games, you must buy to play, right? AFTER you pay for it, then you get to read the EULA.....which causes most courts to throw those out, because we had to spend $50 for the service, and if we disagree with the rules, we cannot use the service, AFTER we pay for it. Now, I'm not saying I dont agree with their rules, but they make you pay for it before you can read their rules. Thats like buying a car, and then getting an agreement that says you cant drive the car until you agree to this.....in other words, its illegal, which is why courts wont accept it.
Again, I'm not saying thats the case here, but its a good way you might be able to get some sort of compensation if they banned your account for sharing when they never said you cannot share an account.
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| 07/07/07 21:29 |
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So this is what I got.
The response came pretty quick ,unfortunately the GW Support response will probably only serve to further convolute things....
Again it says that the sharing of any account is not allowed in the final response, but it said that in the online info also, and you semed to want greater clarification.
Do post your ticket when you get it and if it is still convoluted I will start playing Squeaky Wheel with them.
Lets see what you get........
I reversed the order of things here as the time stamp indicates.
This is the Reference #
070708-000281
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Account Sharing
Discussion Thread
Customer (Kenny T) 07/07/2007 09:14 PM
I and my friend both have Guid Wars accounts with access to all current campaigns.
We want to share our accounts with one another.
Is the sharing of aa Guld Wars account between 2 people who have thier own seperate acccounts ok?
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Response (GM Mevrick) 07/07/2007 09:35 PM
Hello,
Thanks for getting in touch to ask about your account.
In order to better assist you with this account-related issue, we will transfer this question to our Account Support Department. An Account Support team member will be in contact with you very shortly.
If you have any further questions, please let us know and we will gladly assist you.
Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
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Response (Steve) 07/07/2007 09:44 PM
Hello Kenny,
Thank you for contacting us.
Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you with your request. This is because our User Agreement disallows the trade, transfer, sharing or sale of any game accounts. With this in mind, our service may only assist the original creator of the account with any account-related matters.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask us.
Regards,
Guild Wars Account Support
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| 07/07/07 22:09 |
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I actually decided to go ahead and update my GW CS ticket, I don't like the way the answered me, it epitomizes all the things I don't like about A-net, way too much bureaucracy .
This is the next installment in what is starting to fel like a saga =P
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Customer (Kenny T) 07/07/2007 10:27 PM
I am the original creator of this game account...
How can I substantiate that without attaching it to a Play-NC account?
Could you possibly, in the interests of expediency just treat this as a general inquiry if I rephrase it more generally?
"Can 2 people who both own Guild Wars Accounts, with access to all campaigns use each others accounts and/or purchase a 3rd account to be shared by only the two people whom already have seperate Guild Wars acounts?"
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I understand that you said:
Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you with your request. This is because our User Agreement disallows the trade, transfer, sharing or sale of any game accounts.
In your earlier response, but my friend is unclear as to whether this means that I am not allowed to share the account for money, or if it is extended to mean that 2 people ( both of whom own seperate Guild Wars accounts) are not allowed to share an account for thier own personal use, for example extended storage, shared character development or just general play.
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If you cannot answer this question as a general inquiry, please provide for me information on what I will need to do to substantiate that i am the original creator of this account without attaching my game account to a Play-NC account.
thnx
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I am going to bed now, but I wil post the response tomorrow if one is forthcoming.
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| 07/07/07 22:35 |
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I got a similar answer to the response you got....not really similar, the exact same. But I must disagree with this:
| QUOTE | | Again it says that the sharing of any account is not allowed in the final response, but it said that in the online info also, and you semed to want greater clarification. |
From what I read, none of the online material clearly stated you cannot share an account if both people own one already. This is where the problem arises, if they wanted to be certain that everyone would understand it, they should come out and say "Under no circumstances can anyone share an account with anyone else.", the way its currently written, every person who reads it can misinterpret what was said, therefore causing A) Confusion, B) Breaking rules without knowing it, C) More emails to support about things that could easily be resolved with a more clear EULA.
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| 07/07/07 22:59 |
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Well I do agree that it could be more clear bro.
I do not agree that upon scrutiny that a literal meaning cannot be derived from the online material.
that sorta speaks to what you were saying tho. It would be really nice if they just said, accounts may not be shared for any reason etc etc.......
I believe A-net tends to overcomplicate things more often than most and I do understand your point too.....
The average person is NOT gonna sit and scrutinize all those documents to determine whether or not something is allowed or not.
Even after we BOTH did so, we could not agree on thier meaning.
No ofense but I do not understand you interpretations or logic........
It would seem clear that mine was equally outside your understanding.....
That in itself shoud be concrete proof that greater clarity is called for.
I am going to pursue this even tho I feel like, at least for the purpose of our discussion, it is resolved....
I would like to see how long it takes to get a straight answer =P
Peace man.
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| 07/07/07 23:18 |
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| QUOTE | --removed for space--
That in itself shoud be concrete proof that greater clarity is called for.
I am going to pursue this even tho I feel like, at least for the purpose of our discussion, it is resolved....
I would like to see how long it takes to get a straight answer =P
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I completely agree....I'm the type of person that sees things as, everything is legal, unless otherwise stated. Therefore since there is some unclarity with the way they state things, I see them as legal.....I hope A) They clarify things a little better and B) give one of us a straight answer.
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| 07/07/07 23:36 |
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I've got to go with Evenhands on this one. It seems to me that explicit ownership is infered and account sharing for any reason is against the EULA.
Ignorence is no defence in the eyes of the law, it is up to you to learn the rules not for them to teach them to you.
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| 07/08/07 07:39 |
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So, I kept at them for a couple days and i finally got a straight answer today:
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Discussion Thread
Response (John) 07/11/2007 01:26 PM
Kenny,
We apologize for the delay. Unfortunately, it is against the User Agreement to share an account to any extent.
Let us know if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Guild Wars Account Support
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So thats that ^.^
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I honestly believe that if you trust someone to share your account information with and as long it was mutual (you know, kinda like sex) there there's nothing wrong with it but you would forfeit any protection that A Net can provide.
If you suspect something is wrong, then do what you gotta do and even contact A Net to ask them to keep an eye out.
Its better than running to them at the last minute going wannnah, and I'm sure you two will not be hanged for sharing password info.
EDIT: I skimmed through the thread and found this:
| QUOTE | | Like every other online game, anyone who wants to have a Guild Wars Game Account needs to have his/her own copy of the game. There is never a monthly fee to play Guild Wars, so you will have tremendous savings over most online games. Spawning multiple copies from a single purchase is disallowed and account sharing is a breach of the Rules of Conduct. |
Are you effin' kidding me? What if it is not sharing characters but more like a buddy system for situations like this. Geez.
I have a friend and they share their MMORPG with her Husband.... why? Because they're married and didn't want to bother getting a second account. Is that a breach too?
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