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I need some help.
I've waited until the graphic novels were released for the Marvel events "House of M" and "Civil War". From what I can tell, I've picked up the first two books of each of these events. My problem is how do I know which book to read next. The Civil War novels probably had 15 different books on the shelf, all with a different title revolving around different characters.
I really don't want to read Civil War: Iron Man before I read Civil War: Hero123 and find out Hero123 actually took place before Iron Man's novel.
Anyone have an idea how I can figure this out?
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| 07/10/07 12:12 |
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Yeah, i'm in the same boat as Big, i've been avoiding the whole thing just because I couldn't figure out the chronology. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Try This Link.
It starts with the plot and basics, but then breaks down the issues and the tie ins.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks Swissy. Never crossed my mind to check wikipedia
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Honestly, the tie in issues aren't really worth the cash. In my humble opinion, you'd do well to just read the main stories of each. I got pretty much all I needed from those two trades, and I had plenty of money left over to buy things like the "Infinite Crisis" hardcover (highly recommended).
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Civil war sucked it was very poorly written, everyone was drastically out of character. It was really just garbage. Probably the worst event in marvels history and haqs really soured me on the company quite a bit.
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| QUOTE | | Civil war sucked it was very poorly written, everyone was drastically out of character. It was really just garbage. Probably the worst event in marvels history and haqs really soured me on the company quite a bit. |
Hmmm...I can't say that I agree...But to each his own. I feel like it was a pretty decent representation of how the characters would react if placed in that situation. Stark has always been a government man. Cap has always fought for the rights of every person. It seems like it fit them pretty well. Plus, there were good reasons for each member of the factions to join the respective sides. I'm not saying that it was the best event in Marvel history, but it's definitely not the worst. Has anybody actually read the first "Secret War?" The dialogue alone is a great reason to set the books ablaze.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Civil war sucked it was very poorly written, everyone was drastically out of character. It was really just garbage. Probably the worst event in marvels history and haqs really soured me on the company quite a bit. |
Hmmm...I can't say that I agree...But to each his own. I feel like it was a pretty decent representation of how the characters would react if placed in that situation. Stark has always been a government man. Cap has always fought for the rights of every person. It seems like it fit them pretty well. Plus, there were good reasons for each member of the factions to join the respective sides. I'm not saying that it was the best event in Marvel history, but it's definitely not the worst. Has anybody actually read the first "Secret War?" The dialogue alone is a great reason to set the books ablaze.
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Man I so disagree with you here. The Secret WEar was classic marvel , and I'll take ten of them over one of these crap fests like Civil war any day. Captain America would never kick a sheild agent out of a moving van and into traffic like he did in the first issue. Mis characterization number 1. Iron Man would never become trhis psuedo nazi like he has been portrayed by Quersada's bunch. he fought against the gov't in MANY issues of his own mag, refusing to make weapons any longer etc. he is FAR from a Gov't stooge. The final scene in Civil War is ludicrous with Cap breaking down and crying. Totally ridiculous. And would any of the heroes reacted as coldly as they did when Bill Foster (Giant Man) was killed if they were portrayed in proper character? No way. The guy who wrote the main series is anti-American (And this is not a just me sayiing so, Ed Brubaker who writes Captain America now said so himself about Mark Millar, stating "Millar hates America.") Hell, Spider-Man calling Daredevil a shmuck was so out of character it was as if it was twi different guys in teh costume. DD and he are friends for many years, and knew each others ID's LONG before the current nonsense. AFAIC Civil War was nothing but a long winded mess that destroyed many years of established history for no reason other then to make a social/political statement concerning the current leadership. I don't have to pay $3 an issue to read left wing crap I don't agree with. Comics should NOT be about politics, it should be about good Vs. Evil like they used to be. I dropped this mess after Reed and Tony so callously cloned Thor, something they would never even consider doing if a quality writer who knew the history of all three characters were writing this. I despised this disaster. Give me "Secret Wars" any day.
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| QUOTE | | Comics should NOT be about politics |
Well, wasn't that why comics became such a hit in the 40s?
- Cheap entertainment supporting WW2 and the US of A. and fighting the Nazis and Axis in WW2
- rallying support for the troops and the government by destroying Hitler and his evil companions
- Captain America might as well have been Uncle Sam back in the day.
I agree that comics, along with other mediums of entertainment, try to inject the political views of the writers/producers on their readers and that usually does not make for the best stories.
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| QUOTE | | Give me "Secret Wars" any day. |
Was I actually the only person who liked Secret Wars/Secret Wars II?
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Comics should NOT be about politics |
Well, wasn't that why comics became such a hit in the 40s?
- Cheap entertainment supporting WW2 and the US of A. and fighting the Nazis and Axis in WW2
- rallying support for the troops and the government by destroying Hitler and his evil companions
- Captain America might as well have been Uncle Sam back in the day.
I agree that comics, along with other mediums of entertainment, try to inject the political views of the writers/producers on their readers and that usually does not make for the best stories. |
Back in the 40's comics were pro America and were in support of our troops and elected officials in a very bad time of war. They served as a rallying point of sorts while the world teetered on the edge of a disaster that we would never have recovered from. Today they are completely opposite. They Killed Captain America two months ago to represent the death of America, at least as the editors and writers of Marvel comics see it. There is nothing positive about 'Civil War'. It's all negative, even to the very end with Cap's death. Of course the Scarlet Witch could just snap her fingers and rewrite reality and all would be back to normal, but I doubt we'll see that happen.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Give me "Secret Wars" any day. |
Was I actually the only person who liked Secret Wars/Secret Wars II? |
No, as I said I liked it very much.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Comics should NOT be about politics |
Well, wasn't that why comics became such a hit in the 40s?
- Cheap entertainment supporting WW2 and the US of A. and fighting the Nazis and Axis in WW2
- rallying support for the troops and the government by destroying Hitler and his evil companions
- Captain America might as well have been Uncle Sam back in the day.
I agree that comics, along with other mediums of entertainment, try to inject the political views of the writers/producers on their readers and that usually does not make for the best stories. |
Back in the 40's comics were pro America and were in support of our troops and elected officials in a very bad time of war. They served as a rallying point of sorts while the world teetered on the edge of a disaster that we would never have recovered from. Today they are completely opposite. They Killed Captain America two months ago to represent the death of America, at least as the editors and writers of Marvel comics see it. There is nothing positive about 'Civil War'. It's all negative, even to the very end with Cap's death. Of course the Scarlet Witch could just snap her fingers and rewrite reality and all would be back to normal, but I doubt we'll see that happen. |
I was more or less agreeing with you about this new stuff, but politics will find its way into almost any way people convey can their messages. I thought it was a wierd plot twist that Cap got killed and wasn't too thrilled by it, either. This does seem like a ploy by some Commie Pinko Rats to throw dirt in the face of Americans, but regardless, it makes for an interesting story line and I still want to read about it.
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Yes I know I was just continuing on the same train of thought (Until the next missing section of track) Actually I read Jeph Loebs comments (The author of the just released "Fallen Son" mini that deals with Cap's death.) And he said outright in there that this is supposed to represent what he and others consider the death of America, etc. I myself did not buy the issue where Cap died and have no intention of buying any of it till he's brought back to life. Back to the politics thing, I really don't want to read anyone's views, either left or right in comics. This medium used to be very enjoyable to me, but tyhere's very little joy in comics anymore. Everything-even Spider-Man which was always fun in the past- is now totally grim. (Sure Gwen died, but he dealt with it and moved on, now he's always facing some extreme thing.) I really find myself enjoying DC's stuff moree and more lately, and I have my issues with them too, but at least it's still good Vs. Evil for the most part.
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Well, I haven't read all the Civil War stuff, but I will say that I loved the Secret Wars I and II!
However, to answer a question that is on the table....believe it or not, Politics is in everything that we do and have. Whether you agree with the point of view a person dares to represent it's there. Whether you call it Anti-this or Pro-that, it's there.
i.e., in teh 40's, Cap was created to unite and rally a people...strictly a political position taken by the writers of that era...now Civil War...same thing, maybe a different position. Is it right? is it wrong? The answer to both or yes/no. No one will like everything that comes out, and this is definitely dependent on your own political view and how you feel things should or should not be.
As for people being out of character and doing things that's not "in their nature"... well, when put in a sticky situation, we really don't know what a person is truely capable of and where their allegiance would fall. If someone is hard pressing you to make a decision that you feel very passionate about, but they want you to go against what you feel, hey...who knows how a normal person would react....and at the end of the day, despite having powers, these are supposed to represent normal people that have normal reactions.
Yes, it's a turn in the comic book realm, but like everything in life, things change and they may not change in a person's favor...
I must say, I haven't really collected Marvel since they killed off Thor! That was my favorite and only reason I collected. I just can't fathom how they could kill off a god and everything go on as if nothing had happened. Heck, if you even remember, they used Earth's Mightest Heroes to appose him in some of his latter days...so that should have been an indication of how people can turn on how they would normally act towards a "friend". To me, that was the start of a long series of twists and turns that are to come in the Marvel world.
Just my opinion on this whole Civil War thing...like it or not, it's done and there is no turning back.
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Can't we just read comics and enjoy them? If killing Captain America signified the death of the U.S., what was the significance of a Thor clone killing a D-lister? It was entertaining. They killed Cap because people didn't expect it, and it sells a cubic butt-ton of comics. The Captain America series is selling better than it ever has, and the dude has been pushing up daisies for more than a month. When DC killed Superman, I didn't think that the writer was a Communist that had come to steal away my American spirit. I thought, "That's pretty cool. I wonder what happened." "Civil War" was a perfect example of one of our most powerful American ideals - Capitalism. Whether you love it or hate, it sold. Plus, it will be selling for a long time to come. What's more American than writing something crazy, angering thousands of loyal fans, and walking away from it with a hefty check in your pocket? If I had the opportunity, I'd have Spider-man kill Aunt May and eat Mary Jane's liver. You wouldn't dig it, but you'd buy it. :P
I thought the premise behind "Civil War" was great. There were times when I honestly couldn't say what I would do in that situation. If you were a hero, would you have registered and joined Stark or moved underground with Cap? It's pretty compelling.
But like I initially said, to each his own.
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| QUOTE | Can't we just read comics and enjoy them? If killing Captain America signified the death of the U.S., what was the significance of a Thor clone killing a D-lister? It was entertaining. They killed Cap because people didn't expect it, and it sells a cubic butt-ton of comics. The Captain America series is selling better than it ever has, and the dude has been pushing up daisies for more than a month. When DC killed Superman, I didn't think that the writer was a Communist that had come to steal away my American spirit. I thought, "That's pretty cool. I wonder what happened." "Civil War" was a perfect example of one of our most powerful American ideals - Capitalism. Whether you love it or hate, it sold. Plus, it will be selling for a long time to come. What's more American than writing something crazy, angering thousands of loyal fans, and walking away from it with a hefty check in your pocket? If I had the opportunity, I'd have Spider-man kill Aunt May and eat Mary Jane's liver. You wouldn't dig it, but you'd buy it. :P
I thought the premise behind "Civil War" was great. There were times when I honestly couldn't say what I would do in that situation. If you were a hero, would you have registered and joined Stark or moved underground with Cap? It's pretty compelling.
But like I initially said, to each his own.
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I didn't enjoy civil war at all. To each his own, but I thought it was really lousy writing, and I just don't see Tony Stark being so damned pro registration, or any of the heroes who sided with him. It was like reading an alternate universe, "What If?" story to me. Totally out of character for all concerned. I stopped wasting my money on it early on, and I know I wasn't alone judging by the comic's boards.
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To answer the argument of these characters not behaving like themselves there is a good reason they might be acting this way. The skrulls have been impersonating people in the marvel universe and Electra is one of them it seems. There would be no reason why it would not be possible for someone to impersonate Iron Man to get thing shook up so it was easier for an invasion. Same with Professor X.
   
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Is it the real Thor? or is it some clone????
I don't want any imitation Thunder God.....
Can it be that the real deal is back?????
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | BTW, the first isue of Thor's new series was released last week. He's back!
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I don't want any imitation Thunder God.....
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Don it IS The real Thor. No clone, no robot etc. It's the real deal! The issue opens up with him in a limbo of sorts and goes from there. Go buy it now!
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| QUOTE | | I'd have Spider-man kill Aunt May and eat Mary Jane's liver |
This can only happen if Aunt May is in a hole in her basement, rubbing lotion on it's skin before it gets the hose again.
And I bet liver would go nice with liter of Farva.
I can also see Tony Stark siding with the government. He always seemed like an up-tight brown eye to me.
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| QUOTE | Don it IS The real Thor. No clone, no robot etc. It's the real deal! The issue opens up with him in a limbo of sorts and goes from there. Go buy it now!
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