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Omega Archetype

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Does Vista cause bad fps?

Well I've had Guild Wars since the beginning of June, and I'm loving this game alot.

Anyways, I've never understood why my fps have been so low. First I assumed that it was insuffecient RAM for running Vista, and so I upgraded and that helped a little. Even with more RAM I'm still having bad fps (7-10 in towns, and about 10-15 in explorable areas and battles,) and I did run a system requirement test, and my pc passes it with flying colors. I have heard that Vista is to blame.

here's my pc's specs:

Pentium IV (3Ghz) processor
ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 series (256 MB, integrated)
2GB of DDR2 5300 RAM

Now most of you will say it's the videocard, but according to
srtest.com, my entire pc is way past recommened specs for Nightfall, so I doubt that is the problem.

Really though, I'm hoping with the release of GW:EoN that they will add the Vista support.

Oh, and I"m running it in between low and medium setting, plus I've already got vertical sync off.

Really that's the only thing that I can think that is causing these bad fps.

Anyhelp would be appreciated.

07/17/07 11:25

geckoshadow

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

HMmm idk im not that knowledable in computers yet. bbbbuuutttt

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07/17/07 11:29

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to ask something else.

Whould buying Windows XP and dual booting Vista and XP fix my problem? I really don't want to get rid of Vista, so would that be a solution?

07/17/07 11:29

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

thank you.

07/17/07 11:30

Rider

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Your PC has twice the power basically that mine does and I very rarely have a problem running the game. I use Xp Pro though and have no problems with it so I refuse to get Vista till they fix it.

From what I have heard talking to some friends of mine that use Vista, it does use more power to run it and has some conflicts with some games.

07/17/07 11:46

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

I have no experience with Vista on a gaming PC whatsoever, so i can't give you any solutions that are plausible to work, i'd only be guessing sorry.

AND ofcourse, WELCOME ^^

07/17/07 11:48

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Thanks for the welcome.

Yeah, I know my pc is fully able to handle it, but it's annoying me that my fps are so low, that's why I'm hoping that once GW:EoN comes out, it will update all of the campaigns to support Vista better, I guess I'll just have to wait.

07/17/07 11:50

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Please, do keep in mind not all of these ''statistic'' BS gets to you, my PC is rated to run Quake 4 on High, i can barely run it on LOW....

Its usually because of the mix of different systems you have in your computer, them checks only look for your system stuff, while infact data transfer rates and such can differ greatly between the chips, RAM, GPU, CPU, Soundcard perhaps, all that can cause bottlenecks slowing the data down causing your PC to handle the games less then its rated for, keep that in mind.

*That's a rough idea i read/heard once, correct me if im wrong*

07/17/07 11:59

Elite healer an

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

It is possible to Dual boot Windows xp and start Windows xp :

Because
+Windows xp : no driver problems
+ No W/E

Vista
A lot of problems :P.

I will say : Get Windows Xp , Install it and play on that for a year. Then vista will be fixed a bit (i just stay with Xp until new computer).

07/17/07 12:04

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

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Too bad he says he DOESN'T want to go back to XP :/

07/17/07 12:06

BigBishop

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Yes, Vista will give you some problems when it comes to gaming. I have heard over and over agina about people getting much poorer performance out of their machines with Vista. First and foremost i would try to take some load off of your video card by turning off the dumb Areo interface if you have it on now because it is a resource hog.

If you have the option to go to XP that is what i would do. Actually i never plan on using Vista. My next PC will be running Linux with either a dual boot to XP or a vitrual machine running XP, under WINE or something.

07/17/07 12:08

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

No I don't have problems with XP, I actually like XP alot, but I've already got Vista, and figure why get rid of it, so I might go ahead and try the dual boot thing.

07/17/07 12:10

BigBishop

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

For some reason in the back of my head i seem to rember something about Vista having issues with dual booting because it protects the MBR very closely. You may have more luck using a virtual machine like VMWare. Either way gl.

07/17/07 12:16

Tae Lian

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

I would guess Vista does indeed give lower fps on games as its such a sap on resources, even on a powerful pc.

07/17/07 12:23

barlauja

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Try reducing or turning of anti-aliasing. I don't really notice a difference with it on and it really cuts into my FPS. I've got Vista too, and an upgrade of RAM from 1GB to 3GB didn't do much. With a 512MB video card and no anti-aliasing, I get about 30 FPS.

07/17/07 12:33

Psychomaze

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Consider this: You have 2 GB RAM, and Win Vista.

Now Vista munches 1 GB just for normal operation alone and another 512 MB of RAM for services that are so buried into the system that no manual will help you turn all that crap off.

Then about 256 MB to about 384 MB or even 512 MB RAM used for other services like Norton and other crap like that.

Equals very poor performance issues. There's not much RAM after that.

Either get more RAM or do some research to turn off background processes on your computer.

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07/17/07 12:54

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

I disagree about vista causing the issue. The stated specs should be more than capable of running GW.
I'm sitting here with GW in the background, brower open, two other windows open on my laptop with a 1.83 gHz processor, 2 GB RAM, and a Nvidia Geforce Go 7400 video card and am running about 60 frames/second. Granted I do have dual processors, but each is only running about 30-45% capacity as well.

My first question is how many open processes do you have open?

What is your internet connection?

You also could be getting tagged by the latency issues GW has been experiencing for the last couple of weeks.

With GW running in a window, open your task manager and see what the performance tab has to say about CPU usage and memory usage. With vista you also can add a gadget that monitors that info for you.

07/17/07 12:55

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

I dont see why LAG has to cause bad FPS, it sounds weird.

07/17/07 13:25

GIDIOS

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

do you have a new (as in less then a year old) screen it might be the refresh rate of you screen causing this.

i had the same issues when i ran gw on a faster computer getting lower fps then i changed monitors and it solved alot

not sure if this will help you but good luck!

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07/17/07 13:40

Psychomaze

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Hmm... have you tried using another graphics heavy game like NWN2 or Oblivion or something?

If it has bad FPS then we can say that it just isn't GW, but if it is, then yeah... you may want to check your connection.

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07/17/07 13:45

Keo

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Problem is this:

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ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 series (256 MB, integrated)

Integrated gfx cards aren't much good for gameing.

:/

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07/17/07 14:03

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

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Problem is this:

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ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 series (256 MB, integrated)

Integrated gfx cards aren't much good for gameing.

:/

I didn't notice that :P
Integrated Cards have always been a curse for gamers cause they use the RAM your CPU relies on, causing LAG(in the system) which causes a bottleneck in your computer, thus making games and such run slower cause it has to wait longer for the data to come, a videocard with its own RAM has no need to ''borrow'' space.

Your best bet is upgrading your system with a videocard instead of using one integrated in the motherboard, goes way faster then.

EDIT: added some more info.

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07/17/07 14:08

Soqed Hozi

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

i use vista and my fps has gone up by 5 times (yes 5) from my previous computer (running XP). This one is a beter PC, but to go up x5 is too much to have vista lowering it. IMO Vista is awesome, cept it broke my ICT AS coursework. ><

EDIT: also running much lower ping AND running at x4 anti-aliasing now, which was previously off. I also havegrafics se to max, but that was how it was before to.

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07/17/07 14:24

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Okay, I can run GW and have a browser open and it doesn't even take half of my RAM up, it only takes 712 MB of RAM, so the RAM is not the problem.

Now the card, is something I was thinking about, but I'm having slight problems. My PSU is only a 300 watt, and most that I've seen need a minimum of 350 watt PSUs. I've already looked into getting a new card and was thinking of something like this:

eVGA 256MB Video Card

Like I said though, my PSU is only a 300 watt and the minimum that that wants is a 350 watt, so pretty much I'm stuck.

Also I think mine is a dual-processor as well, both are 1.5 Ghz, but I'm not entirely sure on that though. When I go to device manager it shows two of them so I'm thinking that I do.

Also my screen is about 4 years old crt monitor, I wonder if that is the problem, I guess I could try switching it and seeing if it makes a difference.

As far as other games, not really, I'm not a big pc gamer and this is my first mmo(well if you consider GW an mmo.) So now this is the only game that I have on my pc atm.

07/17/07 14:28

Mari Wolfe

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

The problem is your graphics card. GW does not like its vista drivers.

I have an X800 ATI card and it is unplayable in Vist but I can have evrything on max under XP.

This is realy strange as under Vista Beta 2 and the Beta graphic drivers it was playable.

Hugs,

07/17/07 14:31

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Oh yeah, I forgot to answer the question about my internet connection. I have a 5Mb connection so I don't really see a problem with that. My ping is usually anywhere from 200 to 300, so I honestly don't think that's the problem.

Of course lately it's been fluctuating alot, because of the problems caused by the Dragon Festival, but under normal circumstances it's pretty good.

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07/17/07 14:35

stanzhao1

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

yeah, i have vista and my fps is about 75 on average

my comp has the following

dimension E521 AMD athlon 64 X2 Processor 4600 (2.40ghz, 2x512k)
ATI radeon X1300 pro 256MB
memory duel channel 2gb (4x512MB) 533Mhz DDR2

and the best part... i dont know what any of that means... :

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07/17/07 14:41

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Well the videocard you suggested will work, i had a PC myself that had only 280 Watt powersource, but i put in a new videocard, even when the card cannot suck all the power it needs, my system ran so much better.

That was old though, i upgraded the Comp a bit now making sure my hardware has all the power it needs.

07/17/07 14:45

Omega Archetype

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

Oh, so that card will work, even with a 300 watt PSU? Well that's a relief. Anyways, I put a newer flat screen monitor on and, I'm about to check it out and see how big of a difference it makes.

EDIT: Yeah, didn't even make a difference after switching monitors, so now I know it isn't that.

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07/17/07 14:48

Xellois55

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RE: Does Vista cause bad fps?

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Oh, so that card will work, even with a 300 watt PSU? Well that's a relief. Anyways, I put a newer flat screen monitor on and, I'm about to check it out and see how big of a difference it makes.

Yeah, your card will work, mine also said on the box minimum of 350 Watt, sure, it never got more out of me 280 Watt PSU, but it did increase gaming speed considerably.

Also, tweak your options, Turn off Shadows, Anti-Aliasing and Vertical Sync.

Right now with Vertical Sync my whole screen can LAG cause the frames aint following fast enough, when i turn it off i got some very small ''Screen Tears'' on the underside of the screen, we're talking about 1 CM bottom or less, its so small infact that anyone who says ''lolz, your skillz must be showing themselves bad then'' is wrong, they update correctly, just sometimes in heavy areas screen tearing happens.

E.G Kamadan and such places ;)

I can live with it!

07/17/07 14:55

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