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what do you think the next "farmer" build will be after they nerf fire/kins (if they do) my guess would be a spine/reg scrap or stone/stone tank.what do you think?
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| 07/19/07 15:00 |
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What nerf to come do you talk about?
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| 07/19/07 15:33 |
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I hope they don't nerf anymore... how long has this game been out? Heroes are supposed to get stronger over time. Be innovative and power up the builds lagging behind. After the many severe nerf sessions the dev hit us with bout a year back I quit playing because they just took the fun out of being a hero. Sorry for the rant, back on topic... I'd definitely say spines/sr or spines/invul are always a farming option. Course you can never underestimate the good old fashioned inv/fire tank when theres a good buff/debuff teammate.
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| 07/19/07 16:03 |
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Nothing like starting a topic about what they nerf next to piss people off. Do you really think that anything constructive can come from a topic like this?
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| 07/19/07 16:16 |
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Nerfing happens, its a way to ensure that certain AT's are regulated, keep people in needing to improve.
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| 07/19/07 17:05 |
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| QUOTE | | Nerfing happens, its a way to ensure that certain AT's are regulated, keep people in needing to improve. |
Nerfing happens is true. And topics on how to adjust to game changes are extreemly helpful. But all a topic like this can do is bring out everyone who ever thought their past nerfs were unfair, to try and justify not getting the next one, and then it escalates from there.
There is no is no nerf on the table for Fire/Kin or any other AT/Combo at the moment based on the new IO system and the fact they have brought farming to this game like so many others. Conjecture on who get the whack next is not productive in any way.
And for the record, nerfs have absolutely nothing to do with giving players something to make them improve. It's about attempting to generate some sort of balance in an impossible to balance equasion. New, more difficult content and difficulty settings are your "need to improve" modifiers. Now I'll aggree that nerfs force you to be a better player when you adapt and adjust. Because it makes you learn. It's just not why they do it.
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| 07/19/07 17:19 |
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Re: Farming:
Farming = People being online for extended periods of time getting lots of "Phat Lewt". People who farm, stay online. Others try to "keep up with the Jones'" and stay online too. More people staying online = more activity = more subscribers = more money.
So no, likely nothing will be nerfed due to farming.
(And please don't say that the "Quick Katie Nerf" is a nerf, because it's simply not. The addition of IO recipes had an unintended effect of making that psuedo-exploitable.)
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| 07/19/07 17:37 |
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I love Nerf... Footballs! The guy who invented Nerf actually graduated from my high school.
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| 07/19/07 19:28 |
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Ok...so this is about some wild speculation?
Not even a rumor about some nerf?
Good.^^
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| 07/19/07 19:48 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Nerfing happens, its a way to ensure that certain AT's are regulated, keep people in needing to improve. |
Nerfing happens is true. And topics on how to adjust to game changes are extreemly helpful. But all a topic like this can do is bring out everyone who ever thought their past nerfs were unfair, to try and justify not getting the next one, and then it escalates from there.
There is no is no nerf on the table for Fire/Kin or any other AT/Combo at the moment based on the new IO system and the fact they have brought farming to this game like so many others. Conjecture on who get the whack next is not productive in any way.
And for the record, nerfs have absolutely nothing to do with giving players something to make them improve. It's about attempting to generate some sort of balance in an impossible to balance equasion. New, more difficult content and difficulty settings are your "need to improve" modifiers. Now I'll aggree that nerfs force you to be a better player when you adapt and adjust. Because it makes you learn. It's just not why they do it. |
Amen.
And why would the devs nerf Fire Control/Kinetics Controllers? They are still as powerful as they were before, there are just more people who found out about its power. Does that make it incredibly overpowered? Out of balance? No.
There are certain builds that can solo Arch-villains (Energy Melee/Electric Armour Brute, for example), but why can they? Because they have certain strengths that other sets do not have. Other sets have other strengths.
If the devs would nerf Fire Control/Kinetics Controllers then they might as well kill themselves.
If there would be a new farmer build it would probably be a Fiery Aura/Energy Melee tank for rapid single target killing or a Spines/Regeneration Scrapper, for rapid multiple target killing. And both with good survival of course.
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| 07/20/07 00:45 |
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Ok... I guess I need to ask...
What is so great about the Fire/Kinetics Troller?
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| 07/20/07 07:50 |
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| QUOTE | Ok... I guess I need to ask...
What is so great about the Fire/Kinetics Troller?
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Pretty much the rate at which you can take things down. With the other troller sets that have only single pets we're still getting three(I know, Illusion has PA and the pet). Mix Fire/Kin/Fire and you have a mobile pet hauling AoE Blaster with his own Fulcrum Shift. The speed at which you can take down multiple enemies is insane once you mix in all of the other troller powers like Hot Feet, Fire Cages, etc..... It takes me half the time it takes any other player to kill the same number of enemies, thus making them uber farmers.
The only other set with multiple pet possibilities is Illusion, but they do not have the other AoE options like Fire does to dispense damage over many enemies at once.
*shivvers* Getting me all excited about playing him again!
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| 07/20/07 08:29 |
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But, we are talking about getting them leveled up into the 30's so they can have their pets. It would take me quite a while for that to happen...
By the by... thanks for the explanation Thundar!
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| 07/20/07 10:27 |
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| QUOTE | But, we are talking about getting them leveled up into the 30's so they can have their pets. It would take me quite a while for that to happen...
By the by... thanks for the explanation Thundar! |
With a Fire Control/Kinetics Controller? If you play it right it'll take you a few days. And perhaps two weeks to get to 50.
All the Fire Control/Kinetics Controllers that I know can solo take down mobs from a six-man team, in five seconds. Yes. Five seconds to take down about 10 enemies.
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| QUOTE | His name was Hearthbourne
Plays City of Heroes till the break of dawn
He likes his Scrappers
But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
Those PvP'ers die in the large |
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Broadsword/Regeneration Scrapper
Claws/Regeneration Scrapper
Energy Melee/Electric Armour Brute
Dual Blades/Willpower Scrapper
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| 07/20/07 10:53 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | But, we are talking about getting them leveled up into the 30's so they can have their pets. It would take me quite a while for that to happen...
By the by... thanks for the explanation Thundar! |
With a Fire Control/Kinetics Controller? If you play it right it'll take you a few days. And perhaps two weeks to get to 50.
All the Fire Control/Kinetics Controllers that I know can solo take down mobs from a six-man team, in five seconds. Yes. Five seconds to take down about 10 enemies. |
I rolled up a Fire?Kinetic Controller this weekend (Swiss Smolder on Virtue) and ran him with a sewer team from 2 till level 7.
I currently can't take a mob of 4 or 5 on by myself. In fact, I can't cuurently do much damage at all.
When do I become UBER?
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| 07/23/07 14:53 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | But, we are talking about getting them leveled up into the 30's so they can have their pets. It would take me quite a while for that to happen...
By the by... thanks for the explanation Thundar! |
With a Fire Control/Kinetics Controller? If you play it right it'll take you a few days. And perhaps two weeks to get to 50.
All the Fire Control/Kinetics Controllers that I know can solo take down mobs from a six-man team, in five seconds. Yes. Five seconds to take down about 10 enemies. |
I rolled up a Fire?Kinetic Controller this weekend (Swiss Smolder on Virtue) and ran him with a sewer team from 2 till level 7.
I currently can't take a mob of 4 or 5 on by myself. In fact, I can't cuurently do much damage at all.
When do I become UBER? |
Level 33 on up. For the previous poster to report that they could level a Troller up that far in a few days either never did it, or had a complete crew of friends and PUGs that he ran in constantly to get them to level 32 to get the Imp power.
Until you get your pets, leveling is a slow ass grind, even with the new improvements in containment. But after that, you got all the uber you need. Everything that you were using to support team activities to get to that level, just bcame your Imp's best friend. They are your new team.
There are some tricks you can use now to speed the leveling process up faster. If we want to go down that path, pop a forum topic up in the Troller section and I can give you some pointers. Still won't be able to uber level solo, but I could make your solo career prior to the pets less painful(well, more painful for your enemies.....).
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