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Rockshock

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Heading in the wrong direction?

Im sure i'm the only one that thinks this but i'd just like to raise a contrary voice and get people be something other than Yes men.

I know Issue 10 only came out today, but im seriously wondering about why the devs even bothered to release it.

We have a tiny rehash of an old zone, a raid and some ships bombing the city. Whoop dee do. After 10 minutes, i've seen all the new stuff, theres nothing to hold my interest and nothing else to see.

The new rikti are the same as the old, just with some added colours and costume peices. The bombings are boring and you find loads of heroes wandering around waiting for the next big red admin notice (Which are terrible and should have been a seperate notice). Then rikti come down, hundreds of heroes kick their butt and they go away.

The invasion sounded good but they should have added more to it and released it later.

Where are the villains epic forms?
Where are the new zones that aren't just the old zone with a few new people?
Wheres the additional mid level and lower level content?
Wheres the new powersets?
Wheres the new villains that aren't just old ones in new duds?

The addition of issue 9 added inventions, crafting, loot (to some extent) and ANOTHER high end TF.
Issue 10 adds more raids and ANOTHER TF!!

Is it just me, or are the devs trying to attract the people who are leaving WoW, by offering them what they had? Raids, crafting and Auction houses?

City of Heroes / Villains is the best MMO out there at the moment, I dont want it to slowly attract the WoW kiddies. Thats why I left in the first place.

07/24/07 17:45

Lightfoot27

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

Personally, I'm really enjoying issue 10. It has pulled my 50's out of retirement and the servers are jam packed with players. They added the vanguard story arcs, costumes and completely overhauled the rikti crash site. Its a villian/hero combo zone now, something many people have been asking for (for quite some time now) and the invasions in the other cities are pretty fun as well. Basically, its a return to heroic feelings... you actually feel like the events matter, and that when you kill the rikti, they won't just come back for someone elses arc. Not to mention several small fixes that have really improved gameplay.

Edit: By the way, the new powersets and villian epics are on their way (power sets with I11). But like you said, they wanted to make sure they did it right, and actually cared about our opinions as to what they are. I'd rather have something great than something now.

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07/24/07 17:50

RonJ73

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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Is it just me, or are the devs trying to attract the people who are leaving WoW, by offering them what they had? Raids, crafting and Auction houses?

City of Heroes / Villains is the best MMO out there at the moment, I dont want it to slowly attract the WoW kiddies. Thats why I left in the first place.

Well...yeah, it is trying to attract some of the playerbase who left for WoW. A lot of the people left for WoW because they considered CoH too simplistic. It didn't have a crafting system, it didn't have any kind of auction house. I lacked "endgame" content. Those were some of the biggest gripes.

Issue 9 brought us Crafting and Auction houses. Good stuff.

Issue 10 brought more Endgame content (content that's new for level 50s).

I'm sorry you don't like it, but quite frankly, that's too bad. It's a great storyline advancement for the game. It reworked an entire villain group with different weapons and a new look. It added in some pretty cool zone events. New costume pieces, new missions, new contacts, a rework of an old crappy zone. Generally, in my opinion, it's very good.

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Scotch Bonnet Girl - L50 - Fire Aura/Fire Melee/Pyre Mastery Tanker
RonJ73 - L50 - Stone/Energy Aura Brute
Aurora Australis - L50 - Willpower/Energy Melee Tanker

07/24/07 17:55

giles202

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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I was drawn into WoW, not for the crafting or endgame (no idea what that was lol). But I did it for South Park....don't know what that has to do with this but..I10 is REALLY fun! :D

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07/24/07 18:07

bigspeer

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So Giles is the stupid noob who tried to wield the sword of 1000 truths??!?!?!Qfds^#$^*Q

GO AWAY n00B! :P

But I agree with Ron. You can't have your cake and eat it too, unless your gigantically ginormously Kingpinly large and can eat people!

i10 has some cool stuff. The mid/low level content was given in i9 (faultline revamp) and they said powers sets are coming so don't get your gutchies in a bunch.

Villain EATs, eh I don't care when they come but a lot of people do. Yeah it sucks that they aren't out, but the majority of the fan base wants a lot more stuff other than those.

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07/24/07 20:46

BishopDon

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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Villain EATs, eh I don't care when they come but a lot of people do. Yeah it sucks that they aren't out, but the majority of the fan base wants a lot more stuff other than those.

Hey now Big...let's take it easy on all this Villain stuff...we are past due on some of the nifty Epics ok...we've been waiting patiently (breaking only what needs to be broken, and holding on semi-important people hostage until our demands are met).

However, I do find that the new content in I10 is interesting and giving a little insight on what it was like during the first invasion. I actually did a little ship raiding last night, prior to the servers going down, and now my lvl 50 Stalker is stuck on the Rikti ship (got dc'd there and never logged back in to move her :) ).

I understand this is a game of progression and not everyone is going to like how fast or slow things are progressing or the direction in how things are progressing. However, if they stopped giving you Heroes all the love, they could take a look in the RIs for a bit and give us our EATs prior to the new powersets for Heroes :) Hey, that's my only request...am i asking for much???? Wha...?? Who said that!?!?!?!

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07/25/07 07:18

bigspeer

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

/kicks don in the butt

AND STAY OFF THE GRASS YOU VARMIN!

I didnt necessarily mean you guys don't deserve them. It feels that the devs are focusing on what the majority of players want and trying to appease the masses. I read the OBs a ton at work because I'm a slacker and putz around for most of the day :D so I read all that jibber-jabber arguments from both sides.

Hell, if I were in charge you could have the Hero EATs. I'm not a fan of them.

As far as hero power sets vs villain EATs, the tank sets are much longer overdue so... neener neener neener, I WIN!

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07/25/07 07:34

Cold_Zone_II

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

I 10 has definitely brought a lot to the Game, and I look forward to running with Villains in the new TF. It's too early to judge game play and Rikti Invasions yet.

But given that, we brought their servers down last night, interest in the new content has definitely peaked. I did not have a good time in Atlas Park last night. I've never experienced lag like that ever, and I've done a few of the original Hami Raids.

So I told my team good night and logged off, and sat down to watch a movie with my wife. I may stay off for the rest of the week, until things cool down, and I can get to enjoy the new content.

Don't judge what they have done too harshly, I think the Rikti look great, the new costume pieces are top notch and the enemies are significantly more difficult, it will take great team work and tactics to cull the threat, and that I truly look forward to.

But right now, the servers are just too packed.

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07/25/07 08:33

BishopDon

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

Yes, packed servers are a good thing

::steps on Big's daisey's!::

I'm not complaining (much) about the EATs for Villains, becaue they'll be similiar to what the Heroes have with little variances, so, no biggie.

The content for I10 is good. I'm just glad I got my new PC now, because I would not have been able to log in otherwise with the old one :)

I can now bring my lvl 50's out and play now (which is going to make it extremely hard to level up my other low 30's to 35 so they can have fun in the War Zone :( ).

Oh well, decisions, decisions...

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07/25/07 08:58

bigspeer

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

*at least he didn't stomp the petunias*

So when are we going to try and get a live event on Triumph like Nova was trying to do?

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07/25/07 09:02

Thundarpants

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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This event will have me and several previous CoH players back in Paragon that are actually leading a WoW guild right now. It is the kind of stuff that keeps me interested in the game. My favorite characters are still my 50's, and I lost interest because there wasn't much to do after they hit 50 that wan't the same old mission grind. Ron is right, not every update will cater to every person, and these were needed improvements to stem the flow of leaving patrons to the game.

I'm letting the latest patch update while I'm at work, and will be enjoying some alien a$$ whuppin this week.

This is a Fan site. So I say NAY to the NAY-SAYERS. The lion's share of the population are loving the invasion if not the lag. Cryptic hit the nail on the head for the hook they placed to keep us playing.

As for the luv the Villains need....... I'm waiting not so patiently for some of that stuff too. I agree with Don that they need to prioritize them a little higher. Our hooks over there are still coming though. Not forgotten, just not as fast as we would like them.

The invasion is the SHIZ!

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07/25/07 09:16

giles202

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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Yes....yes i did join cuz of the sword lol.

You hurt my feelings big! *runs into corner and cries*

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07/25/07 10:43

BishopDon

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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*at least he didn't stomp the petunias*

So when are we going to try and get a live event on Triumph like Nova was trying to do?

I knew i forgot something.... ::spits on Bigs petunias and fouls up his rose buds:: Ok, that's better..

Not sure if we'd be able to do it on 1 server, as I don't have anyone high enough on Triumph yet to participate. My MM is only lvl 33-34ish. Besides, it would be WAYY TOO MUCH LAGG to attempt to do anything on the Live server now.

I'm still a fan of the Test server, simply because everyone can join without the worry of being server specific.

Guess we'll have to see what pans out though...

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07/25/07 11:48

Electro

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

I hardly think this is heading in the wrong direction. Reconditioning a zone that virtually no one ever went to is almost the same as creating a new zone. And the 35+ crowd was in need of some options. Before the RWZ, the 35+ toons basically had the same old missions, contacts, story arcs, etc. RWZ provides additional options for 35+ that Striga did for the 20+ toons, and Croatoa did for the 25+ toons.

The 'event' itself will only last a couple of weeks, and IMO, is not the meat of I-10. Yes, badge-hunters will chase the invasions from zone-to-zone to get the event accolade, but the main component of I-10 is the RWZ and its new content for 35+.

To say that you have seen all there is to see and are already bored by it after 10 minutes is complete rubbish. I can only assume that not 1 of those 10 minutes was spent in the RWZ, speaking to the new contacts, running the new arcs, seeing the new maps, running the Lady Grey TF, taking down Rikti Pylons, and fighting the Rikti GM.

I agree with other posters that the villain-side needs some attention. The villain EAT's have been impatiently awaited for some time, and the game is sorely needing some new content at all levels. I am sure that these will be addressed in future issues. If they tried to address every single item in a single issue, the thing would never go live! I much prefer the Dev's stated strategy of smaller issues every couple of months, rather than giant issues that take forever to launch and are full of bugs.

07/25/07 12:07

Lunar One

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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Ummm Big faultline was redesigned in issue 8 not 9. 9 was wentworths and such.

07/25/07 13:36

jfire90

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

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I think i understand wat rock is saying......this issue seems to be less....well practical i guess would be the word. Last issue gave us inventions, auction house, and other stuff which is a really big thing so yeah i wish there had been something that was REALLy big like the auction house, although the addition of teaming with villains is a nice thing

07/25/07 21:27

Mech beta

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

Since we talking about villain EAT, maybe this could be the backround for it, and what its called:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Incarnate

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07/26/07 07:07

White Hot Flash

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RE: Heading in the wrong direction?

Incarnates are a totally different idea than an Epic AT. Basically you just gain a third powerset. Statesman is invuln/SS tank but also has electric manipulation (Power of Zeus) This is something that should come eventually to the whole game. Something that will have everyone pull their 50's out and really get excited about.

EAT's, if we go by the Kheldian model, are a completely different powerset and focus that are unique to themselves, have their own storyline that runs parallel to the main game arc, and is more powerful, and at the same time, weaker than the others. They challenge the player to come up with a playstyle that is different than the other sets, because their strengths and weaknesses force them to do so. People have been throwing out some sort of Nictus-based form, because that is the evil side of the Kheldians, but I don't think that's what the dev's necessarily want. I think they are trying to come up with something original, but still in line with the CoX universe, and that is why they've been quiet about it, other than to say its gonna be a while before they make it to the game.

Currently playing:

Champion Server:
White Hot Flash lvl 50 Energy/Elec/Force Blaster (woo hoo!)
Kid White Flash lvl 39 Elec/Energy Blaster
Unspoken Threat lvl 47 Ninja/DM/Soul Mastermind
White Hot Knight lvl 44 Peacebringer
Ghost of BlueBeard lvl 32 Dark/Dark Scrapper
Mini Fridge 3000 lvl 33 Ice/Ice Blaster
Grim Watchman lvl 15 Warshade
Triumph Server:
Schwarzen Knight lvl 45 BS/Regen/Dark Scrapper (part of Alliance)
This-Guy lvl 11 Fire/Energy Blaster
Protector Server:
Daemon-seed lvl 36 Plant/Thorn Dominator
Major Discord lvl 15 AR/Traps Corruptor
Bossman Bot lvl 13 Thugs/FF Mastermind

07/26/07 14:02

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