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I'm sure that most of you AMP'ers have already heard quite a bit about this by now, however I only heard about it yesterday morning, and I want to make sure that as many people are aware of the situation as possible.
An exploit was found within the game by a small group of players, which involved using the reconnect feature. This allowed them to duplicate items within the game. The item that they chose to duplicate was Armbraces of Truth (trades for a Tormented weapon in the DoA).
This has apparently been going on discretely for the past couple of months, as people selling rare and expensive mini pets such as Kanaxai and Pandas, have been getting insanely high offers of Armbraces of Truth, (some including up to 1750 Armbraces). This, to begin with, was just put-down to bots or money buyers, however now the situation has become much more apparent to the general Guild Wars public, as the market is now literally flooded with 'duped' Armbraces of Truth.
This caused the Armbrace market to crash, with prices falling from as high as 100k + 60 ectos, to as little as 50k. As players have been told by ANet in the past that items within Guild Wars cannot be duplicated, many people were eager to purchase Armbraces, thinking that they'd maybe just stumbled up on a bunch of rich and generous players.
However, posts over at Guild Wars Guru have made the point apparent that people who were unaware at the time of purchasing the Armbrace(s) that they were 'duped' have been handed permanent bans on their accounts, which are extremely unlikely to be lifted. Gaile has already posted to explain how ANet intends to deal with the situation and what has been done so far (links to follow).
So, my message to you is to stay away from Armbraces of Truth until this whole mess has been sorted. It's certainly not worth the risk of getting your account permanently banned. If you really must buy an Armbrace before the issue has been dealt with, make 110% sure that it's legit and above board.
Here's the posts from Guild Wars Guru, where you can find more info on the matter, and also find posts made by Gaile Gray:
-http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10186447
-http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10186464
-http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10186091
Gaile's main quote, if you want to avoid searching the threads:
| QUOTE | What "mass banning" are you describing? The numbers being mentioned in this thread are in the single digits. There has been no mass ban. Period.
Here is what we've done:
* We've found the people who duplicated items. Their numbers were really quite small. We banned them.
* We found the people to whom the duplicated items were given in large quantities. Their numbers were somewhat larger, but again, relatively few. We banned them.
* We are examining records to see how far this extends. We may be banning more in the coming days, but we will most likely choose to not ban more than we will choose to ban. The decision is ours and will be based on a lot of factors, principal being whether it's reasonable to assume that the player knew he/she was getting ill-gotten goods.
We are quite sure that those players getting stacks and stacks of the most valuable item in the game realized that this largesse was not the result of the kind and generous spirit of a guild mate or friend. We're quite sure that those getting offers of 5 gazillion armbraces for item sales knew that something was wrong, and yet they made the sale anyway. It's obvious that certain players knew about the exploit, or suspected there was one. It's pretty easy to establish who such players were.
Did you think we'd never notice? Of course we noticed! Our recordkeeping is exceptionally detailed. You can't move a piece of gold from one bag to another without us knowing it. And as a result, those at the center of abusing this exploit were banned. That is as it should be.
The issue of someone selling a single ambrace to another innocent person, later on, is more complicated. The item was duped, but the buyer may not have been -- probably was not -- aware that he/she was buying a duped item. So, it's a matter of degree, intention, and knowledge. Do we ban the seller, with multiple stacks of 250 armbraces in inventory (or who handed off stacks to friends and guildies)? Yes! Do we ban the player who makes the one-off purchase -- an armbrace here, a couple of duped ectos there? It's not likely that we will.
Duplicating items is disallowed by the User Agreement under which each player is permitted to play Guild Wars. Getting stacks and stacks of free items -- or receiving ridiculous numbers of items for a sale -- must have pinged peoples' radars that "Hey, this can't be legit!" Just as receiving stolen property is a crime in the real world, this sort of act is disallowed in our game, and results in a ban.
Those who made an innocent purchase have very little to worry about. The accounts of those who were banned were examined with care and consideration, using extensive research to assure that the appropriate action was taken. It is highly unlikely that these players can successfully appeal their banning.
And if you're aware of someone who was involved, I invite you to report that player, for the good of the game. |
One of the culprits in a trade (taken from a post at Guru):
Let's hope that ANet can fix this before the damage gets too great. :-|
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I knew something was up but I didnt know that many were being duped, just glad I got my sheild before this mess happened. Thanks for helping this get around.
Edit - Wonder How they'll fix it, someone in our guild mentioned they may attempt a rollback but if this has been going on for as long as you say - that wouldnt fix things.
Maybe change the collector to trade more than 1 Armbrace for the Tormented items? Or even change the Spirit of Truth to give out a different item then change the collector to no longer accept Armbraces.
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not sure when this was posted( dont know todays date as my phoneut restarted some reason and i didnt know the date to put into it..so its the first of 05 again,hazar!)
but yeah,think they disabled the reconect thing and fixed it.
my comp wouldnt load up amp for 2 days, lots of time to look around the place. (turns out it was that blasted cache)
if notp already hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
iut really not a fan of thhose dupers,messed the game up a bit for everybody.
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| QUOTE | Edit - Wonder How they'll fix it, someone in our guild mentioned they may attempt a rollback but if this has been going on for as long as you say - that wouldnt fix things.
Maybe change the collector to trade more than 1 Armbrace for the Tormented items? Or even change the Spirit of Truth to give out a different item then change the collector to no longer accept Armbraces. |
From what I've read, a roll-back is off the table completely. Rolling back up to 2 months of data (if that is, in fact, when the incident first occurred), would cause an up roar. The Dragon Festival would have to be repeated... again, titles would be lost as would many other things. It seems that ANet has taken the banning route, judging by Gaile's posts.
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Im Sure that if Anet did do a roll back it would be to the point where the reconnect feature was added. I For one would get quite Frustrated if they did Roll Back and Probably Take a break from Guild Wars as they would Roll Back around a Months Period...
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| QUOTE | not sure when this was posted( dont know todays date as my phoneut restarted some reason and i didnt know the date to put into it..so its the first of 05 again,hazar!)
but yeah,think they disabled the reconect thing and fixed it.
my comp wouldnt load up amp for 2 days, lots of time to look around the place. (turns out it was that blasted cache)
if notp already hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
iut really not a fan of thhose dupers,messed the game up a bit for everybody. |
This was posted about 10 minutes ago (Gameamp has been down, up until now as far as I'm aware, this is the first time that I've been able to access the site for 2/3 days).
And yes, ANet have temporarily disabled the reconnect feature to avoid any further expliots.
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Haha, I mentioned this in the AMP guild yesterday and everyone thought I was kidding.
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Huh. Some guy was spamming up LA about this one day in January I think. He said he knew how to dupe crap. I didn't believe him of course and just decided to play along. It didn't seem to have any merit so I just left the person doing it. I guess it's good I did or I might be banned right now...
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Just reported 2 people i know with duped armbraces you should do the same
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| QUOTE | | Just reported 2 people i know with duped armbraces you should do the same |
But I don't know people. T.T
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Well I didn't believe it at first myself, Rogue, until I visited the DoA and Ascalon. The chat box was literally full of people spamming "WTB Armbrace". I rushed around websites to find some info, and I must admit that official info from ANet on the matter is pretty scarce. I just hope that a lot of people get to read this post, if they don't know about it already. People need to know what's going on, and need to keep their accounts safe from banning.
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I went in game. Now it seems all the hustlers are either banned or laying low.
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Its sad they did this in the first place, i mean, why cant they just earn there money like anyone else? doing this could get you FoW in a day, if that! I for one, believe they derserve a perma-ban, because of all the people they have scammed, along with a lot of unhappy people! Ive seen someone saying 'WTS 10K ARMBRACES!!!!PM HOW MANY!!! 60K EACH!!!!1' Thank god i reported him, wouldve created mass-chaos..!
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Yeah I read that topic on guru, when you finished reading a page on the topic there was a new one immediatly lol.
Anywai found this aswell
[img]http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/stuff123456/?action=view¤t=gw666.jpg[/img]
Edit: Seemse like it wont work o.^.
Here http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/st...rrent=gw666.jpg
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i got a guildie and a friend permentaly banned cuz of this. Right now my guild is trying to get him and extra account or something so he can continue playing. he is a little peed off atm though
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Yeah Eiirish, I saw that pic too. The Chunky Monkey who is showing the Ambraces got flamed A LOT over on Guru, because they stupidly posted how the exploit is done (and they were one of the players who took advantage of it).
EDIT: Slaya, do you/he know why he was banned? Did he buy a 'duped' Armbrace?
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| QUOTE | | i got a guildie and a friend permentaly banned cuz of this. Right now my guild is trying to get him and extra account or something so he can continue playing. he is a little peed off atm though |
Yeah I think they banned everyone that had a duped item, even those who just bought it from the ones who did it.
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omg i almost bought ambrace for 40k thinking that other guy was new to game or something :S but then i kinda thought i didn't want to risk anything so i didn't buy, but i'm still curious how the exploiting of the ambraces worked oO
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| QUOTE | | omg i almost bought ambrace for 40k thinking that other guy was new to game or something :S but then i kinda thought i didn't want to risk anything so i didn't buy, but i'm still curious how the exploiting of the ambraces worked oO |
Consider yourself lucky that you didn't buy it, otherwise you could be facing a permanent bad right now. o.O
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| QUOTE | | omg i almost bought ambrace for 40k thinking that other guy was new to game or something :S but then i kinda thought i didn't want to risk anything so i didn't buy, but i'm still curious how the exploiting of the ambraces worked oO |
There was 2 guys on guru who tried to find out that, and succeded. And sent all info to a-net ofc and didnt abuse it.
It included being in an misson area and trading, and loose connection and reconnect and both would have item, none lost I think.
Thats why they in a recent hidden update removed the ability to recconect if you loose connection.
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First I heard aboout this was during ToPK in Hard Mode last night, one of our team mates got disconnected, a comment was made in chat that we hoped he could get back within the 10 minutes until someone else mentioned that reconnect had been disabled. It really does completely and utterly suck that the actions of the selfish few has such an immpact on all of us.
I don't blame Anet for revoking the reconnect function, I just hope they can suss a way to re-introduce such a great feature that doesn't allow for this kind of exploit.
Exploits should of course be reported as soon as they are even suspected and I trust Anet when they say they research accounts thoroughly before deciding a ban, I also trust they will recognise mistakes should they occur.
| QUOTE | | i got a guildie and a friend permentaly banned cuz of this. Right now my guild is trying to get him and extra account or something so he can continue playing. he is a little peed off atm though |
I wouldn't advertise that you are encouraging banned people back into the game, if they were banned without good reason they should appeal their case, you shouldn't be helping them get around it IMO. If you want to help and are certain they are innocent in this do what you can in helping them get their original accounts back.
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[QUOTE]i got a guildie and a friend permentaly banned cuz of this. Right now my guild is trying to get him and extra account or something so he can continue playing. he is a little peed off atm though[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't advertise that you are encouraging banned people back into the game, if they were banned without good reason they should appeal their case, you shouldn't be helping them get around it IMO. If you want to help and are certain they are innocent in this do what you can in helping them get their original accounts back.[/QUOTE]
i know the guildie very well and i know he wouldn't do anything like it. He has even told us that it had something to do with the ambraces on our guild forum =P
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Btw you all DO know that ANY stackable item could be duped, hence while ecto so suddendly dropped 12k->5k when hard mode AND reconnect was applyed.
Remember people blaming Hard mode? Rofl
Anyway, Im just saying that the guildy might aswell just bought a duped red dye or w/e.
ANY duped item owner got banned me thinks.
Edit: Also B J W E R T might wanna change teh title to Duped Items Scandal!
Or something :3
Edit2: If anyone wondered why Armbraces were duped the most, is because they was the most expensive stackable item.
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Yea, heard about it maybe 2-3 days ago, if they do rollback ill be gone until EotN makes you wonder too, maybe this is the reason Ectos and such have dropped so much, duping and selling stacks i havent been working on my titles when i heard about the possible rollback
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| QUOTE | | if they do rollback ill be gone until EotN makes you wonder too |
They can't rollback 2 Months - The uproar would be immense.
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Read it on guru, the guy was saying that he was selling a mini kanaxai and he got the 250*7 ambraces.
so i went and tried and someone offerd me 1750 ambraces
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Heh, yeah Timi, I was actually gonna try that when I read it. Although once I'd read about the consequences people were facing, by trading the Armbraces, I didn't want to be involved at all.
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If everyone with an Armbrace had access to DoA - Tormented Items might be the next thing to hit the fan, even with many people being banned there are still tons of Armbraces out there.
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| QUOTE | | i got a guildie and a friend permentaly banned cuz of this. Right now my guild is trying to get him and extra account or something so he can continue playing. he is a little peed off atm though |
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anet are stupid and wrong for banning them , anets mistake, they shouldnt ban people for thier mistakes, anet are just stupid they didnt just take the items give away
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