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I was looking around the CoH site earlier and found the below info on possibilities for issue 11. Thought it sounded interesting.
Randy
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Here's a compiled list of things that could be coming, if you have anything to add, I will add it until I cannot edit the post:
Power Customization
This is the ability to change the colors of a person's powers. It also would give the ability, in theory, to select different weapons to use. For example, a Broadsword Scrapper could use the Broadsword model that the Tier 2 Undead Mastermind pets use. A person could change a Blaster's blast to red or perhaps some other color.
Probability: 4/5 -- There have been hints at this here and there. I know the developers WANT to implement this it is just a matter of how.
Tanker/Shield Powersets
Tankers have been asking for a while for shield powersets. From what I've read, they have wanted this since beta. I keep thinking of Captain America.
Probability: 1/5 -- Yes Tankers will get new powersets soon, I just don't think it would be the "big thing."
Flashback
Flashback is the ability to go back and do old contact missions. How it would be implemented is currently up in the air. Perhaps it will auto-exemplar you so that the mission isn't grey and is a challenge. This would be great to go back and do old contact missions. Statesman even said this would come after mission dropping was possible in a post he made back in 2005. Statesman's Post
Probability: 5/5 -- I'd say this is HIGHLY likely because in the post I am referring to by Statesman everything has been implemented from that post except this.
Weather
Weather, have you ever seen rain or snow in Rogue Islands or Paragon? Nope you haven't.
Probability: 1/5, I doubt this would be the center of an issue, more of a quality of life feature.
New Epic Archetypes. IE Incarnates
Basically some new E.A.T. such as Incarnates, Statesman and Recluse origin.
Probability: 2/5. it could be this but I am doubtful because we didn't know about E.A.T. back in beta.
Unlimited Respecs
The ability to respec a character infinite amount of times. Currently respecs are finite but they might add a trial that is repeatable respec reward.
Probability: 5/5, I'd say this is VERY likely. I do believe I read a post where they wanted to add this.
Powerset Respecs
The ability to change your powersets, this could be archetype limited or perhaps ability to completely change an archetype.
Probability: 1/5, I highly doubt this would get implemented. Thats just my opinion.
Personal Arch-Nemesis
This would give players the ability to create their own Ying to their Yang sort to speak. You basically would create your own enemy. Perhaps you'd run into them during missions, on the streets, or elsewhere. This has been hinted at by the developers here
Probability: 3/5, I haven't heard much talk of this recently but it would be cool.
Player apartments/personal base
This has been discussed and hinted at by the developers. Basically it would give solo characters of those not in a SG the ability to create their own apartment or little base/lair.
Probability: 2/5, I can't see an entire issue around this either. It would be fun though.
Influence Banks/Mail System
This is a feature that World of Warcraft has. It is the ability to send items and money through a mailing system. COH/COV currently has a mail system for text only messages. This system would allow players to send money or items to characters or even their own.
Probability: 2/5, This would be nice to have but not something I've seen a lot of people ask for.
Cross-Server Teaming
This would work similar to how World of Warcraft battlegrounds function. For those unaware, it would give the ability to team in instances (Door missions) with people across server.
Probability: 1/5 -- Reason I think so is because they wouldn't need server transfer if this was implemented. While I think it will come in the future, just not soon.
Villain Orientated things, Villain E.A.T., Zones, etc
Basically anything villain related, this includes the ability to switch teams.
Probability: 1/5 -- Positron stated this was something during/before beta. COV was just a gleam in the developer's eyes back then.
Positron TF redone
Basically a revamp of the Positron TF for COH, ironic that it was Positron that hinted at this.
Probability: 1/5, this could happen but it isn't something big especially because it wouldn't effect villains.
Return of the 5th
There were around in beta, and were never gone until Issue 3. So while they will return one day, this isn't it.
Probability: 0/5, I am 100% sure.
Underwater Zones
Basically a zone underwater. Think of like Kedge Keep from old Everquest, (Blanking on any WOW zones here...)... etc.
Probability: 4/5 -- This could be likely, especially if it was co-op and could involve the Coralax.
Vehicles
The ability to build or drive your own vehicle! The invention system could work with this.
Probability: 2/5, while fun I cannot see how they could impact the game much.
Jetpacks
A jetpack costume piece.
Probability 4/5: Likely because this has been something we've wanted.
Hero to Villain switch
The ability to go bad or go good with a hero/villain.
Probability: 1/5 -- Unlikely because what he hinted at was before COV's time according to him.
New Tanker/Scrapper Powersets
Basically new powersets for these guys.
Probability: 5/5, I'd say this is very likely. They did do a poll on the powersets.
Numbers on Powers
The UI would be changed to give the EXACT numbers on all the powers. Basically, we'd know EXACTLY what our powers do by looking at them. We'd see how they are modified with enhancements and such.
Probability: 5/5 -- Very likely because the numbers are out there, maybe they will be added to the UI similar to what World of Warcraft does. Statesman did say he liked this about their game and it certainly didn't hurt their sales. ***Missing this quote but it is out there***
AI System Overhaul
Basically a complete revamp of how enemies work. They will function MUCH more realistically and become smarter. Enemies will use cover and line of sight, they may retreat and gather more foes, they may prey on the weakest of the group, etc.
Probability: 3/5 -- This would be cool but it would be a LOT of work.
Offline Costume Creator Import/Export
The ability to create costumes offline and import them into the game or export costumes and share them with friends.
Probability: 2/5 -- I do recall the developers saying this broke the EULA or something of that nature.
NOTE: Probability is simply my opinion.
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And someone posted this one which I got a kick out of:
Those are all good ideas, but in the end, we know what we'll be seeing:
The Rikti are defeated by the Blimp in Atlas Park. Heroes have managed to take out a Rikti Drop Ship, but NOBODY can take out that Blimp!
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| 08/17/07 13:31 |
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Aurrius
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I like it.
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He likes his Scrappers
But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
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| 08/17/07 13:57 |
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2 Things I don't agree with Power Customization. At most 1/5. It would be hard to implement. And same with vehicles.
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| 08/17/07 14:00 |
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where did you see this?
Triumph: Where your suppose to be!
Extreme Pyro lvl 50 controller Fire Control / Kinetics
Extreme Kaiser lvl 18 stalker Energy melee / Ninjitsu
Maxx Vicious lvl 46 tanker Superstrength / Willpower
Kritical hero lvl 33 Scrapper Spines / regeneration
Midnight Ice lvl 18 Blaster Ice Blast / Energy melee
Purple Drop: 9
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| 08/17/07 14:26 |
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Randy7
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I went to the forums on www.cityofheroes.com and did a search on issue 11. I roamed through some of the results and this is what I came up with. It's amazing what you can find when you're bored out of your mind.
Randy
Guardian:
- Dark Judge - Lvl 50 Dark/Dark/DM Scrapper
- Stan XX - Lvl 43 Inv/SS/Fire Tank
- Sharp Jennie - Lvl 41 DB/WP Scrapper
- Master of Toys - Lvl 21 Rb/FF MM
- Jonnie Volt - Lvl 19 Elec/Dev Blaster
- Green Medic - Lvl 19 Emp/Arch Def
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| 08/17/07 14:45 |
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That's a REALLY old list. A lot of those were already shot down.
City of Heroes/Villains
Onion - L50 - Katana/Super Reflexes/Body Mastery Scrapper
Scotch Bonnet Girl - L50 - Fire Aura/Fire Melee/Pyre Mastery Tanker
RonJ73 - L50 - Stone/Energy Aura Brute
Aurora Australis - L50 - Willpower/Energy Melee Tanker
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| 08/17/07 16:40 |
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Randy7
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Actually the list came from a post that was 16 Aug 07 and a lot of this stuff has been discussed lately (i.e. character server transfer). I have seen lists similar for previous upcoming releases but I'm quite sure this is a new list. Plus there was much discussion about the Rikti Invasion in the reply columns (read the last comment of the original post).
Randy
Guardian:
- Dark Judge - Lvl 50 Dark/Dark/DM Scrapper
- Stan XX - Lvl 43 Inv/SS/Fire Tank
- Sharp Jennie - Lvl 41 DB/WP Scrapper
- Master of Toys - Lvl 21 Rb/FF MM
- Jonnie Volt - Lvl 19 Elec/Dev Blaster
- Green Medic - Lvl 19 Emp/Arch Def
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| 08/17/07 17:13 |
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Hmmmm.... vehicles...
Why in the world would I want or need a mere vehicle when I can run at 80 miles per hour, jump over tall buildings in a single bound, fly over skyscrapers, even teleport from one end of the city to the other?
What? You didn't recharge the flux capacitor?
I can even teleport from one zone to the other with SG teleporters or the Pocket D dimension...
Darn! Where are those damn car keys?
And the PTA has even been upgraded now.
No time to open that cockpit, these people need help!
Heh, before level 10 and at level 50, I can zoom from one end of a map to the other (and completely out of Perez Park, the Hollows and Boomtown!) just by letting me go down under enemy fire, using the emergency medical teleport without any consequence! (cheap teleport, not heroic I agree but, hey! it works!)
Please scrap that batmobile alongside the carcass of that fantasticar and that invisible plane (wich wonder woman put into mothballs when she stated flying by herself!).
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| 08/17/07 17:27 |
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Are you kidding? Think about it, you could customise your own motorcycle to ride around in, and.... umm.... hmmmmm let's see.............. Ok so motorcycles are all I can think of, cars and stuff are just dumb but a hog could be a vet reward, just to look cool. It's better than 39 month's vet reward the boxing gloves. I mean really if you've been playing that long you want something cool, like anyone's ever gonna use boxing gloves. Anyway, I say motorcycles would be an awesome addition.
Life's never so bad it can't get worse.
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| 08/17/07 17:50 |
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Mortcycles,HORSES!,Bikes,Skate Boards, Roller Blades. You get the picture. These should be accesible as a travel power.
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| 08/17/07 18:20 |
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| QUOTE | | Mortcycles,HORSES!,Bikes,Skate Boards, Roller Blades. You get the picture. These should be accesible as a travel power. |
BINGO!!!! That's what I'm talking about. At least you see how cool It'd be. Also, love the idea for horses, that'd be fun in Atlas, have a horse parade.
Life's never so bad it can't get worse.
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| 08/17/07 20:29 |
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I have 3 Horses of my own.
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| 08/18/07 01:31 |
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I think it'd be cool if they put something sorta futuristic
O_o
Like, say-Something that doesn't touch the ground. Not an airplane or helicopter (Cause that'd look weird unless you were the president)
Perhaps a hover-cycle or w/e?
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| 08/18/07 09:14 |
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The part about vehicles came up once before. Imagine the terror on the faces of trolls and thorns in the hollows as in the distance they hear the sound of music approaching, suddenly bounding over the hills.....an Ice Cream truck!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Marine
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| 08/18/07 10:33 |
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Without getting into the possibility/probability of things happening... I like a lot of the suggestions! I think too many respondents are thinking like MMORPG players, and not comic book geeks tho.
Vehicles would be cool, if the zones were bigger/more open. Too many areas that they're just not applicable, unless flying.
Personal bases/apartments would ROCK tho! Make a sliding scale on costs depending on whether or not your toon is in an SG, or by numbers of people IN a characters SG (aka, more people in the SG, more expensive for having own personal base/apt).
Atlantis is a staple of both the Marvel & DC universes, and an underwater zone is long overdue (as is outer space).
For those of us that are fans of REAL old school (and Adam Strange), yes... jet pack costume pieces please!
Customizing certain other costume pieces (swords, guns, etc) is another thing that I'd love to see come as well. I have a mace character that'd look MUCH better w/ a baseball bat :-p
Personal arch-villains... THAT would be awesome. Not sure how to make it work/fit on a programming basis, but wow. GREAT idea.
Oh... and weather, really, get this done. In all honesty, they'd only have to really do it four times a year, for each season. If an old MMORPG like Ascheron's Call can put in weather, then CoX should be able to do it fairly easily. Besides, Paragon City is suppossed to be in Rhode Island!!! I hear it snows up there sometimes...
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| QUOTE | Without getting into the possibility/probability of things happening... I like a lot of the suggestions! I think too many respondents are thinking like MMORPG players, and not comic book geeks tho.
Vehicles would be cool, if the zones were bigger/more open. Too many areas that they're just not applicable, unless flying.
Personal bases/apartments would ROCK tho! Make a sliding scale on costs depending on whether or not your toon is in an SG, or by numbers of people IN a characters SG (aka, more people in the SG, more expensive for having own personal base/apt).
Atlantis is a staple of both the Marvel & DC universes, and an underwater zone is long overdue (as is outer space).
For those of us that are fans of REAL old school (and Adam Strange), yes... jet pack costume pieces please!
Customizing certain other costume pieces (swords, guns, etc) is another thing that I'd love to see come as well. I have a mace character that'd look MUCH better w/ a baseball bat :-p
Personal arch-villains... THAT would be awesome. Not sure how to make it work/fit on a programming basis, but wow. GREAT idea.
Oh... and weather, really, get this done. In all honesty, they'd only have to really do it four times a year, for each season. If an old MMORPG like Ascheron's Call can put in weather, then CoX should be able to do it fairly easily. Besides, Paragon City is suppossed to be in Rhode Island!!! I hear it snows up there sometimes... |
First welcome to the site Saladin
And i would totally love all those idea's, Specially:
*Own Base
*Power Customizing
*Diffrent travle powers - Items
*Personal arch-villains
*Underwater zones/Space
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My own idea's:
*Diffrent tp animation (Like a ninja throwing a smoke bombs)
*New PvP zone (where Heroes and villains can team up)
*Sleep mode (in Personal Base/apartment)
*New Emotes (the animation of a attack/Movment animation)
*New costumes (like the PDD hard suits)
*Ultimate Raid (where heroes can invade the rouge isle, or the other way around)
Triumph: Where your suppose to be!
Extreme Pyro lvl 50 controller Fire Control / Kinetics
Extreme Kaiser lvl 18 stalker Energy melee / Ninjitsu
Maxx Vicious lvl 46 tanker Superstrength / Willpower
Kritical hero lvl 33 Scrapper Spines / regeneration
Midnight Ice lvl 18 Blaster Ice Blast / Energy melee
Purple Drop: 9
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| 08/18/07 16:16 |
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| QUOTE | My own idea's:
*Diffrent tp animation (Like a ninja throwing a smoke bombs)
*New PvP zone (where Heroes and villains can team up)
*Sleep mode (in Personal Base/apartment)
*New Emotes (the animation of a attack/Movment animation)
*New costumes (like the PDD hard suits)
*Ultimate Raid (where heroes can invade the rouge isle, or the other way around) |
Well the new PvP zone where heroes and villains can team up is already in the game (hence RWZ). I like the idea of ultimate raid though! Just like raiding Orgrimmar in WoW or stormwind :) might take quite a few ppl but i bet it can be done :D.
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| 08/18/07 19:05 |
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| QUOTE | | I have a mace character that'd look MUCH better w/ a baseball bat :-p |
Are we talking Satoshi Kon's "Paranoia Agent" style?
http://www.paranoiaagent.com/
If so very cool btw.
I think vehicles would be pointless, but the rest... very very interesting...
Cool for looking up the info, thank you.
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[Dr. Lao] 50 - Magic Troller' Mind / Storm (no Epic)
[Alphabeast] (Omegabeasts Brother) lvl` 30- Blaster Electric / Ice
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| 08/18/07 20:22 |
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| QUOTE | My own idea's:
*Diffrent tp animation (Like a ninja throwing a smoke bombs)
*New PvP zone (where Heroes and villains can team up)
*Sleep mode (in Personal Base/apartment)
*New Emotes (the animation of a attack/Movment animation)
*New costumes (like the PDD hard suits)
*Ultimate Raid (where heroes can invade the rouge isle, or the other way around) |
-A ninja throwing smoke bombs at 50 metres height won't be very effective I presume.
-Agreed.
-Agreed. But what would its use be?
-New emotes as in /em emotes. New animations for powers is basically power customization, and that could take a while.
-I assume we'll get new costume sets in Issue #11.
-Agreed.
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But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
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Broadsword/Regeneration Scrapper
Claws/Regeneration Scrapper
Energy Melee/Electric Armour Brute
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| 08/19/07 01:02 |
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from Posi himself:
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I'll do eight. That still leaves a lot of really good stuff on the list.
Weather
Too much art for no add to gameplay. We may get into stuff like rain, but if the streets are not slick, it just wouldn't fit. Plus if weather had gameplay (like fire powers reduced in rain, wind affecting Archery, etc.) while cool, I can't see it as fun. People would just avoid weather when it didn't sync with their powers.
Powerset Respecs
While this may happen within your Archetype someday (i.e. a Fire/Devices Blaster becomes an Energy/Energy Blaster), don't hold your breath. A lot of the thinking comes in the "we give you 8 (or 12) character slots per server", which should be enough to create alts of whatever power combos you want, without destroying a character you invested time and effort into. Probably not the most popular answer.
Positron TF redone
Yeah, it's a lousy TF. It's the first one we ever did, it's due for a revamp, but that's not coming anytime soon. For the time being there will still be reason to brag about having the "I endured Positron's TF and all I got was this lousy badge" badge.
Underwater Zones
We'd rather do Space Station Gagarin or the Armstrong Moon Base.
Vehicles
We discussed this recently and couldn't justify putting it in. Vehicles would either be really good (then it becomes City of Jet Bikes), or boring (my Jet Bike isn't faster than Fly). The effort to put them in simply wouldn't equate with what you got out of them. This is why wings took so long. When the effort DID equate with what you got out of them, they went in.
AI System Overhaul
Too risky of completely breaking the game in some obscure way. Tweaks sure, an overhaul, not likely.
Ability to unslot enhancements without a respec
We like the Bind on Equip mentallity. The fact you can un-slot them during a respec is a conceit that this really isn't "equipment" per se. Different power combinations take different Enhacements, so we could either screw you during the respec process (i.e. if you can't slot it, you lose it) or let you keep some in your Inventory slots. We erred on the side of "nice" with this one.
Fitness Pool becoming an inherent
We've tried to make Stamina less a required power with a lot of the things IO's do. Any discussion on Stamina generally leads to the elimination of Endurance altogether (because a lot of the reason Staminia is so popular is that is lets you no longer worry about Endurance for the most part). i.e. Making Stamina an inherent means we might as well eliminate Endurance from the game.
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interesting stuff, eh?
my current project: Spine/Will farmer, Quillpower, on Virtue.
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| 08/19/07 10:56 |
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Some of that from Positron is kinda disheartening.
Seriously, why NOT an underwater zone? Give everyone 3D movement. Add Coralax stuff. Give Villains an option for lvl 50 benefits by adding Atlanteans (in the old Namor as a villain option). That is to say, I'm all for outer space too mind you...
Weather... it really seems to me he's REALLY over thinking it. I only would ask for seasons. No reason to make things 'slick' just because of rain/snow either. I'm tellin' ya, if oldie but goodie MMORPG's like Asheron's Call can do weather, then it should be a cinch for modern games. Sounds like too much 'effort' for them :-p
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the CoX series, but it really sounds like they need to hire on freelance consultants who have actually worked for comic book companies. I'm pretty sure Jim Shooter's available...
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| 08/20/07 15:40 |
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Why not cars?
We can all travel, sure, but how about a mish series arc where you loose all your powers!!! And have to make a get away in lets say a 69 convertible caddie!
It could be a GTA style dash through the streets of Paragon.
Tank'ns my Bidness and Bidness is GOOD!
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| 08/20/07 15:52 |
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| QUOTE | Why not cars?
We can all travel, sure, but how about a mish series arc where you loose all your powers!!! And have to make a get away in lets say a 69 convertible caddie!
It could be a GTA style dash through the streets of Paragon. |
Now THAT would be cool! THEN vehicles would make sense and be fun to use until you succeeded in regaining your powers back.
Like if the Statesman taskforce failed and Arachnos DID drain out all metahuman power across the planet...
It would make for a heroic and suspensful change of pace: like in the old mechwarrior PC game (Mercenaries 2): you were taken prisoner on a far away desolated planet by an unknown invading enemy (the Clans returning to the Inner Sphere), your mech destroyed, and had to escape with fellow prisoners (the pirates you were originally sent there to eliminate!) aboard an armed hovercraft... until you reached a crashed spaceship... with old model mechs still aboard! Then you could attempt escaping the planet.
A good idea to challenge those 50 player-characters playing experience.
Quick! get that Delorean on those tracks!
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Well, weather and vehicles are big non issues for me. I don't mind the lack of weather (although the winter event is pretty entertaining) and I like my heroes traveling on their own merit. I also don't really think a Posi TF revamp would be a good idea because as it is now, I view it a badge of honor (I was silly enough to blow my time on this shiny badge). There are a few things I would like to see though.
1. Power customization: This is my #1 want, even knowing how difficult it would be to do. However, I do think it is worth it, as powers are the last missing piece of the "my own hero" puzzle that is CoH. Props and effects, the whole gambit. (They already have the figure animation, so adding a baseball bat in place of a mace, or a schimitar in place of a katana/axe would be relatively easy, as would different claws) also, why aren't there flame wings like the ones in the Rise of the Phoenix power, that animation is fantastic. I want.
2. Costume Inventions: Specifically I would like to see monstrous arms (like warwolves, long limbs, disproportionate and deadly) as well as more helmet styles, random tech pieces (shoulder cannons, wrist blasters, just random stuff) and of course heroic pieces.
3. New power sets: I know that scrap/tank sets are on the way... I just like more options. I tend to play many characters and most enjoy the creation phase. Really hoping for shields and some kind of energy weapon (wrist blades or swords).
4. More great random events: Something like a freak godzilla attack, villianous power outage or other random villianry. Even if not repeatable, just to feel like you are making a difference.
5. Power specialization: This is really probably not feasable, but I would like a way to differentiate myself from other same powered heroes (seeing as power customization may never become a reality). Essentially, it would be bonus abilities for specific sets, you could have travel specializations, combat specializations, etc... this could vary from different ways to use your powers to visual effects for powers (such as dark portals for teleportation, or flaming feet functioning as rockets for flight.) just another form of customization vaguely reminiscent to skill sets in other mmo's.
All wanting aside, this is still the best MMO out there by far... just keep that new content coming!
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