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Survivingsin
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Arcane Columdrum. I just found it out yesterday that the ending effect stacks so ifyou use shatter delusions on someone that had 2 people stack about 4-6 of them then they take 360 dmg +75 INSTANTLY. Then I took my and 3 other heros and did it and kill someone instantly. Its super ez to catch counter interupt disable and kill but its still fun to kill people instantly =D
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| 09/11/07 05:38 |
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sweet_insanity
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im sure this is the 1 that me and my cousin was gona use in AB :P or summat like that, hes just gona sort the build out. It sounds sweet though :D
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| 09/11/07 05:42 |
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Kikuta
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Arcane Conundrum
For 5...13 seconds, Spells cast by target foe and all adjacent foes take twice as long to cast.
... How does this kill someone instantly with shatter delusions?
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| 09/11/07 05:54 |
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kielus_
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guess he meant enchanter's condundrum (e), that's still not 360+75dmg
edit: i got no clue what you talking about - 2 people stack on them 4-6 to deal 360dmg + 75 instant? that'd be wastrel's worry aswell, maybe with 2 mes's
enchanter's condundrum -> arcane echo -> shatter delusions -> wastrel's worry -> echoed shatter.
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| 09/11/07 06:10 |
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Kikuta
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I get it now. It's Wastrel's Worry.
You have a bunch of people keeping the hex maintained on the target foe (ie. a number of people constantly casting it on one person), and then one of the casters uses shatter delusions on the target - all the Wastrel's Worry copies that where cast on the foe have the end damage stacked up to a high total damage, plus that of shatter delusions. Ends up with a very heavy spike.
Unfortunately it's the most unreliable spike I know of - any skill in the game will counter it by prematurely ending all WW's cast on them, without the damage.
EDIT: I'm going to actually test whether or not this claim about the function of WW is actually true - this is one of the notes I found on GuildWiki
| QUOTE | | When Wastrel's Worry is applied, a 3 second timer is activated. The damage is applied after that timer has expired, no matter how many times it is reapplied. At this point the hex ends, so any reapplying during the 3 seconds is a waste of 5 energy. |
Brings a lot of doubt, but I'll reply back in about half an hour with an answer as to whether or not Mass WW + Shatter Delusion's produces a one-hit-kill spike.
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| 09/11/07 06:49 |
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Why not just rack up the fast casting and run an E-Surge / E-Burn spike? 4x Mesmers = 250ish dmg spike per skill with no waiting. In fact if you used MoR and E-Burn you could rattle off an armour ignoring spike every 10 seconds.
Or there's Fragility, same thing as your spike but with conditions rather than hexes...that works well with a Sin.
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| 09/11/07 07:02 |
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kielus_
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wait wait... guy'd have to be on high energy set or fully loaded with energy ele. perhaps throwing aneurysm between the e-surge wave and e-burn wave would help.
anyways... since when wastrel's worry stacks? and errm it'd require another one guy to throw blackout or diversion to make sure the spike works.
imho not worth the effort put into it and too easy to counter ;/
note: confirmed - shatter on wastrel's doesn't trigger wastrel's initial effect. it has to last 3 seconds.
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| 09/11/07 07:13 |
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Kikuta
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Well, whatever he's talking about, it's not Wastrel's Worry.
You can cast Wastrel's Worry on a foe as many times as possible, but after 3 second's of the first cast, the damage will trigger and the hex will be removed.
Using shatter delusions over the top of Wastrel's Worry effectively cancels Wastrel's Worry, as the skill has technically ended prematurely so no damage from WW is dealt, only that from SD.
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| 09/11/07 07:15 |
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kielus_
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well it might be wastrel's worry -> enchanter's conundrum -> shatter delusions....
BUT: enchanter's @ 16 deals 95 dmg + 79 from shatter doesn't make 360 dmg at all... the 75 (instantly) would make the whole spike during the 3 sec effect cooldown of wastrel's. anyways.
he uses 2 people, that'd mean it's at leas 4 skills + wastrel's within the 3 seconds. my bet on mesmer nr1 would be enchanter's + shatter + wastrel. mesmer nr2 could be shatter enchant (since no enchant on target has to be in order to trigger ench conundrum) in case (that'd be +106 dmg).
thing is, it doesn't mean he uses mesmer domination skills only, or at least he didn't state he uses only these skills. he mentioned arcane conundrum that is illusion magic spell. might be just me but illusion magic could work only with phantom pain + shatter delusions. that'd mean he lowers max hp and he counted that as dmg instead.
more to come :P
edit: might be aswell good 'ol frag spike keo mentioned. else i have no clue, done too many assumptions and free thoughts already. guess we have to wait for thread author comment ^^"
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| 09/11/07 07:47 |
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Survivingsin
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It WAS enchanter's colundum with arcane echo...kinda made 2 skills one srry xD.
It says at the end "and they take X damage" But a bug made it so that for each time that it was put on, by however many people it would add it up so lets say it does 90 damage on ending. If 4 Enchanter's is put up thats 90 damage x4 which is 360. Add in 75 damage from shatter delusions thats 360 + 75 = 435 damage instantly. I took 3 heros and did this to someone and they just died lol it was great. It got fixed in a recent update.
In simple terms:
I use arcane ECHO
I use enchanter's Colundrum
I use second colundrum
Thats 2 Colundrums on them, since the end effect did stack thats 180 damage from me happening at the same time.
The second hero repeats, thats 180 from him
The thrid repeats tahts 180 from him
the frouth does the same thats 180 from him
180 + 180 + 180 + 180 = 360 + 360 = 720 damage if done right. then add in + 75 from shattering all basically 8 of them thats 795 damge. more than any base health possible.
Check wiki, thats where I found it out.
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| 10/17/07 20:31 |
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Charlotte The Harlot
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used to work in a similar way with hidden caltrops i believe they fixed it tho.
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| 10/17/07 22:02 |
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