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Wyat_hawke
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i know this is probably as off-topic as it gets, but after we had the really splendid and excellent thread about political ideologies, i wanted to give it another try on another "intellectual" topic... it might be of more interest for europeans, but we shall see how it goes.
a recent glance at the low countries revealed that, nearly three months after its latest general election, belgium was still without a new government. yes, that is right, belgium have been without a government for over a 100 days. it may acquire soonly. but, if so, will anyone notice? and, if not, will anyone mind? even the belgians appear indifferent. and what they think of the government they may well think of the country. if belgium did not already exist, would anyone nowadays take the trouble to invent it?
no wonder. the prime minister designate thinks belgians have nothing in common except “the king, the football team, and some beers”, and he describes their country as an “accident of history”.
belgium's only, and real trophy is that the european union headquarters are all stuffed together there. on the way they managed to produce magritte, simenon, tintin, the saxophone and a lot of chocolate. also frites. no doubt more good things can come out of the swathe of territory once occupied by a tribe known to the romans as the belgae. for that, though, they do not need belgium: they can emerge just as readily from two or three new mini-states, or perhaps from an enlarged france and netherlands.
brussels can devote itself to becoming the bureaucratic capital of europe. it no longer enjoys the heady atmosphere of liberty that swirled outside its opera house in 1830, intoxicating the demonstrators whose protests set the belgians on the road to independence.
in short, belgium has served its purpose. a praline divorce is in order.
belgians need not feel too sad. countries come and go. and perhaps a way can be found to keep the king, if he is still wanted. since he has never had a country—he has always just been king of the belgians—he will not miss belgium. maybe he can rule a new-old country called gaul. but king of the gauloises doesn't sound quite right, does it?
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| 10/06/07 17:07 |
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i woudent notice, and woudnt mind lol
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| 10/06/07 17:21 |
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hmm.. i do like or liked tintin.
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| 10/06/07 17:29 |
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i from belgium
and i don't care
it would be cool if they can't be happy with the new one and then just spit belgium
but again i don't care about belgium politics
it's way too difficult to understand
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| 10/06/07 17:49 |
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ok, you just made one guy very angry with that post.
i seriously hope it's not your own vision, because if it's so...
argh.
i don't want to sound prejudiced but it's always the same with the 'big countries' the americans, the english, the german, the french, they all think they're the best, they all think the world is theirs. belgium an accident? come on, learn your history! america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm?
really, the first basic foundations for the steam machine come from a belgian, james watt just perfected it.
belgium has the second best school system in the world. (finland the best)
rubens, breughel, van eyck, all famous belgian painters.
indeed, belgian beers have no match anywhere in the world :p
and as a matter of fact, belgium has a governement at the moment, and they had one all the time, but it's just still the old governement. it is a little difficult to find someone everyone feels good with.
so please rewrite your words,
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| 10/06/07 18:00 |
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i feel the temperature in this topic starting to rise already. flamefest here we come!
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| 10/06/07 18:09 |
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i'm not going to get anymore heated, i know where the limit lies :)
don't be afraid :p
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| 10/06/07 18:10 |
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| QUOTE | ok, you just made one guy very angry with that post.
i seriously hope it's not your own vision, because if it's so...
argh.
i don't want to sound prejudiced but it's always the same with the 'big countries' the americans, the english, the german, the french, they all think they're the best, they all think the world is theirs. belgium an accident? come on, learn your history! america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm?
really, the first basic foundations for the steam machine come from a belgian, james watt just perfected it.
belgium has the second best school system in the world. (finland the best)
rubens, breughel, van eyck, all famous belgian painters.
indeed, belgian beers have no match anywhere in the world :p
and as a matter of fact, belgium has a governement at the moment, and they had one all the time, but it's just still the old governement. it is a little difficult to find someone everyone feels good with.
so please rewrite your words,
grtz
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but england is tiny =O and america was founded but alot of countries not just england silly :P (but your right, some of the colonies were to escape religious persecution (i cannot spell T.T))
(p.s. belgium chocolate FTW ^_^)
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| 10/06/07 18:19 |
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| QUOTE | ok, you just made one guy very angry with that post.
i seriously hope it's not your own vision, because if it's so...
argh.
i don't want to sound prejudiced but it's always the same with the 'big countries' the americans, the english, the german, the french, they all think they're the best, they all think the world is theirs. belgium an accident? come on, learn your history! america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm?
really, the first basic foundations for the steam machine come from a belgian, james watt just perfected it.
belgium has the second best school system in the world. (finland the best)
rubens, breughel, van eyck, all famous belgian painters.
indeed, belgian beers have no match anywhere in the world :p
and as a matter of fact, belgium has a governement at the moment, and they had one all the time, but it's just still the old governement. it is a little difficult to find someone everyone feels good with.
so please rewrite your words,
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i am from norway, thank you. but i guess the satiric style isn't my best side at least...
but on to the topic, i wasn't the one who said belgium was an accident, was i? read it again. i'm just asking the general consensus if there is someone who would start to cry if belgium disbanded into 2 or 3 smaller states. would it be that bad? and i'm not being half-witted, or trying to flame. i'm just geniously curious, what would happen if belgium disbanded altogether?
--i hope that cleared up some misunderstandings
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| 10/06/07 18:28 |
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| QUOTE | | america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm? |
america was first colonized by christopher columbus, who landed in north america. im sure you guys know the story, him taking gold and such from the natives. its only after he discovered the "new world" that europe became interested.
the group of "outcasts" were pilgrimms leaving europe because king henry viii changed the the church so that all of england had to change religous beliefs. and since the pilgrimms didnt like that they went on a 3 month voyage to america.
apparently im nobody because i care about it ;)
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| 10/06/07 20:46 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm? |
america was first colonized by christopher columbus, who landed in north america. im sure you guys know the story, him taking gold and such from the natives. its only after he discovered the "new world" that europe became interested.
the group of "outcasts" were pilgrimms leaving europe because king henry viii changed the the church so that all of england had to change religous beliefs. and since the pilgrimms didnt like that they went on a 3 month voyage to america.
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actually a quick check up and i learned columbus never even touched usa. he landed in caribbean and part of south america though he did bring the interest of the new world.
now as for belgium, even though it seems like it wouldn't be missed, its hard not to. what would this world be like with out chocolate or any inventions from belgium. i can see where ppl won't miss it, but i can also see how they will
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crap i won the chance to pay demon slaya 5k.....
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| 10/06/07 23:22 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | america was founded by some outcasts who fled from england to find a new land, and nobody cares about that, hm? |
america was first colonized by christopher columbus, who landed in north america. im sure you guys know the story, him taking gold and such from the natives. its only after he discovered the "new world" that europe became interested.
the group of "outcasts" were pilgrimms leaving europe because king henry viii changed the the church so that all of england had to change religous beliefs. and since the pilgrimms didnt like that they went on a 3 month voyage to america.
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wrong
america was discovered by amerigo vepuchi. amerigo = america
christopher columbus landed in the south american islands.
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| 10/06/07 23:35 |
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is this about belgium or america ???
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| 10/07/07 01:12 |
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@Cody
Its Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian Cartographer ;)
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| 10/07/07 01:47 |
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if you all want to create a "origin of america" debate thread then by all means, have fun :d
let's give the original poster some respect and at least try to stick to the original topic.
he merely wanted people's input on the possible effects of belgium not having a government body for over 3 months...
the country is still there sans a 'declared' government. belgium is still on the maps. cnn still refers to it as "belgium". mind you there is still a government working somewhere in the background. it just seems to another one of those political issues that come up where they just haven't decided who to point the finger at.
from my point of view. as long as the "status quo" in the people's everyday lives aren't changing dramatically, then i don't see why people would be affected much at all. once money/lifestyle changes starts to affect the citizens will you see more interest in the matter.
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| 10/07/07 01:49 |
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haha wasn't the first one ever set a foot in america from europe norwegian vikings? :d
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| 10/07/07 02:24 |
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| QUOTE | | haha wasn't the first one ever set a foot in america from europe norwegian vikings? :d |
keep on topic =/
this isnt about america
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| 10/07/07 02:46 |
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i'm from belgium myself, and i can tell you noone feels anything about it. the problem in belgium is that it excists of 2 parts, the french and flemish part. lately there's been alot problems between the 2 parts to form the governement. the flemish part wants to change some shit about what happens around the frontier. in some flemish towns there are alot of french speaking and they can vote for french speaking parties, so the flemish speaking part doesn't have enough votes. that's what the discussion is all about.
america doesn't has the federal stuff, and they only got 2 parties too vote on. in belgium we got at least 5 "big" parties to vote on, so 5 in the flemish part, 5 in the french part. they gotta agree with eachother, and in these days it's going a bit hard, but i bet if this happens in america they would've trown a bom on eachother already.
why split belgium? the belgian economy is going really good. some big companies have establishments here, antwerp and zeebrugge are with the most biggest oil and natural gas ports in europe. belgiums was there in woi, where they stopped the germans in the first 20 days so england and france could set there armies at the frontier to wait for the germans. and now belgium is very important for every research (medical, genetical,...) lot's of researchers abroad have been to university in belgium, even americans.
i know most of the normal americans wouldn't notice if belgium would split, but i'm sure europe would feel the concequenses.
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| 10/07/07 03:00 |
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It's not the country that makes the people, it's the people that make the country.
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| 10/07/07 03:27 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | haha wasn't the first one ever set a foot in america from europe norwegian vikings? :d |
keep on topic =/
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there have been reports of viking relics found in america...
also cocaine found in ancient egiption mummy suggested people may have had a trade rout going back a bit further in the past.
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| 10/07/07 03:32 |
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meh, i'm 15 so i don't care, but i do care that ppl have voted for the wrong guy.... ah c'mon he even doesn't know the correct song of belgium...
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| 10/07/07 03:41 |
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Hi :) , I'm 14 years, also live in belgium and excautly i care for some points yes, and some points no.(woon in limburg ;)
Yes: Vlaanderen is a very rich part of belgium,it can live without Wallonie at all and maybe togeher with The Netherlands, althought that's going to be make a lot of confusion with the Belgische Grondwet en de Nederlandse Grondwet.
No: Then Wallonie is going to be very very pooor.Almost no work there.
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if belgium would split, flanders would leap up on the list of richest, most producing per inhabitant countries.
wallonie would almost be a third world country.
but the chance of belgium ever splitting is very small.
no real profit for either side.
it will probably just take a while for a new goverment to form (we've already broken our personal record).
in the end they will get to an agreement, one of the two sides will have to give in a bit. as in every discussion
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hummm i might be mistaken... but i thought it was very clear that politics (religeon and such as well) are not allowed here simply due to the fact that it is often controversial and due to different believes of people (and opinions). topics like this has lead to more trouble then discussion.
maybe an admin can lock this thread and debump it?
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| 10/07/07 15:32 |
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lol, all's well here in our little belgian country...
oh, and Wyat... don't forget... I'm also a sprout from Belgium... so we do have some good stuff here :p
Tbh, I don't care whether or not Belgium would split up, I doubt if it would make alot difference for the Belgians themselfs. (The Flemish part then)
But, in all honestness (I don't even know if that is a word :s) I do believe that our gouvernment will just work it out... the Walloniërs (=french speaking part) will have no choise but to bend to the Flemish, just because they know that without us, they would be ......
Case closed imo :-D
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