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Codexia

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What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

I've been messing with my Claws scrapper for a while, I love claws :P Although I really need some accuracy enhancements >>

Anyway, I've been using Regen and it's really kinda...boring. It doesn't seem to do much even with all the healing boosts, although Instant Healing is beyond nice, cept its only 60 seconds and then you go back to getting the crud kicked out of you T_T

Anybody know how the other secondaries work? I prefer PvE to PvP, although I may wander into there from time to time

10/12/07 15:14

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

For scrapper I break it down as follows:
Dark Armor: I find it to be the "tank" of scrappers, has resistance to everything and, lets face it, it looks cool >.> It can be a bit of an end hog at the beginning but it really pays off in the end, especially when teamed with spine/.

Invuln: Exactly the same as the tankers invuln, just not as good. I see very few scrappers run this because if you run it, you want to tank, therefore make a tanker lol. I haven't had much experience with it but early levels I found it to be end light and decent with resists, just that I found it to be a late bloomer. Another upside is the fact that it has A LOT of autos.

Regeneration: You have had hands on experience so that covers that unless you have any questions on it.

Finally Super Reflexes: SR is a great power set, when slotted correctly you cant be touched! Only down sides to the set are you have no actual damage resistance only dodge capabilities, and of course you have no heal (can be fixed by grabbing aid self).

Thats my break down, I find it to be a preference just like all power sets. :)

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10/12/07 15:20

Darkest Medicine

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

My lvl 50 scrapper was broadsword/regen and I loved it. With regen you get a bunch of resistance to status effects. I hardly ever got stunned, or put to sleep. Intergration was a great one. Also, when you get instant healing, you can click that before a boss battle to help heal faster. I ran all my mishes on inv and never carried but one or two greenies.

It's really about your style of play. I tended to run in and get in over my head, and regen really helped me with that. You gotta try what you like and check some of the builds they have posted here. They have great information here.

10/12/07 19:29

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

I agree with Giles comments on all the sets. My only comment to add is a caution when using /Invul for you secondary. You'll have to be careful of when teaming about drawing alot of attention to yourself with the Invincibility toggle. I've seen just how much "taunt" power it has, since when my 50 scrapper did the Statesman TF, I was ending up the center of attention from the AVs. But don't let it deter you from the set, its very reliable, and can take quite a beating before you die. Dull Pain + Aid Self is great since you can take more of a beating, and reduce time needed for healing.

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*Titan of Granite: lvl 50 Tanker*
*Neo Nebula: lvl 50 Controller*
*Cilux: lvl 50 Scrapper*
Astraeus': lvl 42 Scrapper
Griffan: lvl 45 Defender
Justice:
*Xenokrates: lvl 50 Brute*
*Kuramaru: lvl 50 MM*
Wolf Fury: lvl 40 Brute
Bullitz Krieg: lvl 45 MM
Towering Shadow: lvl 45 Bane Soldier
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10/12/07 20:08

RonJ73

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

Suggestion with Regen...6 slot Reconstruction as soon as possible. Either put the whole Doctored Wounds set in there, or if you can't afford it, 3 Heal IOs (L30 or better) and 3 Recharge IOs. Then you'll almost want to keep it on Auto. Reconstruction IS your regen power. It might not be a passive regen like Fast Heal, Integration or Instant Healing, but it's a very powerful, very nice recharge, self heal. Use it and love it!

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10/12/07 22:26

pyro master

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

i say regen gives you the most survivability overall with scrappers. with dull pain boosting your max hp and reconstruction filling half your bar every 30 seconds, you just dont die easily. did you get fitness? because health on a regen scrapper is very underestimated and helps out more than you would expect

10/13/07 12:57

natecraftman

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

The thing you want to keep in mind is that regan is the best SOLO secondary. It is not desighned for teams. In a straight one on one or you verse small group, you can survive by healing 48%+ of your health every 30sec or so with recon, plus healing part of your lifebar (min 5%) every second or so. If you fight a nasty foe, run for a few seconds. Put a little distance between you and them, and guess what. In less then 10secs or so, you'll be full, and they will be at whatever they were at (like half or less). Thats the power of regan, the power to survive reds and purples by simply outlasting them. God, at higher lvs, I've seen purple bosses end crash, while I was still in the green (thx to instent healing that is). And the speed at which your recover lets you go though mission after mission never using rest. Yea, instent healing as you said doesn't last long, but with 4 recharge + hasten, it comes back in a few minites (using it once every other battle is nice (though generlly overkill)). Thats my defense of regan , because it is one of my favs (nice not to have to be a clone of everyone else by never taking stamina (by the by, quick recovery actully gives better stamina boost then stamina)). Proably not your taste though. I can belive that. Most say stuff like 'My tank is teh shiz' or 'Ice devices rulz!!', and to me its more like they are both crap (for me to play). Regan is survivablity, while the others roll very diffrently, with the highlights already being stated. Regardless, I hope you find what you like, I got lucky with my first car in both heroes and villians, hope you get lucky too.

10/13/07 16:03

Chuck Bronco

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

I have been running a claws/SR toon for a couple months when I feel like it.

SR is so far a pretty fun set. Im up to lvl 21. It has a mix of autos and toggles. Whether soloing or teaming I fair pretty well.

A good power in SR is practiced brawler. Its your hold/knockback/mez protection. You can get 6 levels earlier than Integration from the Regen set.

I made my scrapper with IOs in mind. My plan was to take SR as a secondary and slot IOs (wherever I could) for regeneration, and recovery IO bonuses. You get the dodging capabilities of SR and (somewhat minor depending on IO combos) certain abilities of Regen. I have yet to regret any decisions on this build.

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10/13/07 19:12

pyro master

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

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i agree that you can (to a degree) get both sets' bonuses, but it will never come close to the regen and recov ability that /regens get.

but anyways, my reason for posting was just to point out that SR and regen get their mez protection both at 16. regen gets resilliance (or integration, i always get the 2 names mixed up, but the effects at the right lvl) at 16. the power at 20 is an auto stun protection with some minor smashing and lethal in there. so regen just gets an extra back-up.

10/13/07 20:32

Sturmwolf

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

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but anyways, my reason for posting was just to point out that SR and regen get their mez protection both at 16. regen gets resilliance (or integration, i always get the 2 names mixed up, but the effects at the right lvl) at 16. the power at 20 is an auto stun protection with some minor smashing and lethal in there. so regen just gets an extra back-up.

But SR can stack 2 Practiced Brawler if you slot it up.
On my SR toon PB only stack for a few seconds, but I had never slotted it up.
Add some slots (and/or hasten) and you can have 2x PB running.
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10/14/07 04:42

pyro master

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

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yea, but you really dont need them stacked, just one has done trick as far as i can tell

10/14/07 07:12

Sturmwolf

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

Yep, even unstacked Practiced Brawler is the best statusprotection in the game imo.
Even IF you get stunned, PB isn't shut down like a toggle, but it keeps protecting you against more stuns.
Not like Unyielding for example.
Once shut down your left open to get perma held.

10/14/07 13:00

Codexia

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

Thanks for all the advice. Sadly, i'm no closer to figuring out my scrapper T_T

I have my offense range char (Fire/Dark cor), support (thugs/poison mm) and melee (elec/elec brute) for villains side already. I have support (illu/sonic controller), and my offense range (rifle/device blaster) for the heroes side, but...no melee char T_T

Well, I have my regen scrapper, but yea...don't like him :P I do tend to solo a lot though, or only group with 1-2 people. It just feels like my regen char gets the everloving heck beat out of him, specialy by Damned and other energy non-physical damage users.

10/14/07 17:29

bold-lightning

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

Well, that is how regen works, you take the damage, and then heal it all away.

But if you wanna reduce the damage you take, I'd say Invul or SR will do you well. Invul does good against all damage but Psi, and SR you'll be hit far less often. Give those 2 sets a whirl and see if you like them better.

10/14/07 20:50

Randy7

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

I think the point he's trying to make is he's not having any fund running a regen scrapper. It's not about survivability, regens are very good at that. I would try the non-traditional dark set that was mentioned before. You have all of your shields which makes life more pleasant but you also have some of the more interesting powers. You can do cloak of fear (needs lots of slotting) or oppressive gloom which are made for soloing (seriously...oppressive gloom will kill you in a team environment).

Dark regen is also good for a quick heal when a crowd is around and you get to do damage. It has lots of good options and you have protection against psy damage (I solo'd clockwork king during the alternative earth missions).

I've also done invul but with a tank. I like it in the later levels when I use invulnerability in an emergency, but I think you'll be happy with Dark Armor.

Randy

Guardian:
- Dark Judge - Lvl 50 Dark/Dark/BM Scrapper
- Sharp Jennie - Lvl 50 DB/WP Scrapper
- Stan XX - Lvl 47 Inv/SS/Fire Tank
- Load-Stone - Lvl 28 Elec/Stone Brute
- Sonick Boom - Lvl 27 Kin/Son Defender
- Zezo - Lvl 20 Ill/Rad Controller
- Issalla - Lvl 17 Ice/Ice Blaster

10/14/07 20:58

pyro master

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

if your staying with claws as a primary, and DONT want regen, then i say go /dark. dark is well known for having the most endurance usage of the scrapper secondaries, and claws is very light on the end drain, balancing it out a little bit.

10/14/07 21:23

pyro master

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

ok, scratch my last post, i just got a new idea. wait for issue 11 and see how you like the will power set 8^D

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10/14/07 21:24

Codexia

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RE: What are the pros/cons of secondaries?

I actually am tempted to wait and take a look at willpower :P I don't have any plans right now for a dual-blade but maybe will power...

I'm almost tempted to go tank instead of scrapper, but I tend to like scrappers more just for pure damage. They don't seem to be all that squishy either, even though their health is only Med rated.

Meh, dunno >> the quest continues I suppose, lol.

10/14/07 23:13

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