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Soqed Hozi
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The update nerfed paragons again, big surprise. Guess what, eles were buffed again.
Anet have a nasty plan for paragon balancing, and I'll let you know it.
They want paragons to use incoming a little more, but rather that buff it, bringing bak full para teams chaining it, they nerf everything else so that its a viable option again.
Aggressive refrain was the worst nerf ever, no excuses, its just horrible now.
Go for the eyes, the nerf means spam for energy and healign in teams with manyt parasut wont happen, the same goes for paras with watch yourself.
Why do anet hate paragons so? and why do they love eles so much? searing flames 7 seconds of burning wtf? and steam with more damage? they want all ele teams, but not any paras at all.
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| 10/12/07 15:37 |
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ele's ftw!
but your right, para get nerfed and i also like to play with my para...
*goes being angry somewhere*
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| 10/12/07 15:41 |
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yes, when Saji learned off the aggressive refrain nerf, he cried and ate much emo-depression flavor ice cream. Saji hopes they buff something soon or he fears he may have to never play his paragon again :(
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| 10/12/07 16:14 |
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| QUOTE | yes, when Saji learned off the aggressive refrain nerf, he cried and ate much emo-depression flavor ice cream. Saji hopes they buff something soon or he fears he may have to never play his paragon again :(
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Saji speaks in third person. Skittle senses typos in Saji's sentence.
Paragons should just be removed from the game if they feel like they need to be nerfed more.
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| 10/12/07 16:16 |
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MasterSaji
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Yeah well, they killed my paragon(they being Anet), then they decided he wasn't dead enough, so they decided to nuke his corpse. Wouldn't that make you have typos? As you can see, it does for me :p
~Saji
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| 10/12/07 16:19 |
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| QUOTE | Yeah well, they killed my paragon(they being Anet), then they decided he wasn't dead enough, so they decided to nuke his corpse. Wouldn't that make you have typos? As you can see, it does for me :p
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Indeed that would make me typo.
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Paragons should just be removed from the game if they feel like they need to be nerfed more.
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I deleted my paragon, as I do not have a long enough attention span to level any character to level 20 without falling asleep.
And they were nerfed to the ground then curbstomped.
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| 10/12/07 16:21 |
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-.-'
and i just deleted my pre searing character and made a paragon.......................................
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| 10/12/07 16:21 |
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| QUOTE | -.-'
and i just deleted my pre searing character and made a paragon....................................... |
ouch...And i can't think of a witty retort....this is bad indeed.
i WOULD delete my para, but I'm getting a b-day present for him in a week or so....and he has ancient armor...I'm not deleting him just yet...i have hope T_T
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| 10/12/07 16:23 |
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Soqed Hozi
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I love my paragon, but this is just dumb.
I cant play my para for weeks now, just liek the last time they were nerfed. none of the professions, even the core ones, have not been so badly nerfed. Go for the eyes is not powerful enough to warrent a 4second recharge, ar is not powerful enought o warrant making paras have caster lvl armour. incoming is pathetic. stand your ground is just lame (nerfed x3). many of the eotn skills were nerfed before full release. song of resto was nerfed. theres nothing to fear was nerfed, twice, and the list goes on.
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| 10/12/07 16:36 |
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i may not play para, but when i see almost no para's in game, even I know there's something wrong. why won't anet listen to us. I have never seen anyone say that para's need to be nerfed more, but anet just keeps on killing them, THEN teabagging them. WTF IS WRONG W/ANET?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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| 10/12/07 16:40 |
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id like to see the ele get the hell nerfed out of them and the wars and paras get buffed like they were all having a roid rage.....just what i wanna see....
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| 10/12/07 16:45 |
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MasterSaji
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Well obviously we're going to have to mob the sunspear great hall and 'march' for paragon rights to live and play the game XD
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| 10/12/07 16:58 |
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I hate this.
I want show everyone how good they para's can be
but a-net wont let me
You are all forgeting about the other Para nerf, check under Warrior skills. Oh look Watch yourself was hit with a 4 second recharge too.
para is easily the least popular class, wtf, they arent even used in PvP anymore! Let them be, go nerf the dervish, ele, and rit already
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| 10/12/07 17:03 |
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Soqed Hozi
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all in favour of massive paragon gatherings and mass emailing of anet opposing nerfs, say "I"!
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| 10/12/07 17:05 |
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| QUOTE | | all in favour of massive paragon gatherings and mass emailing of anet opposing nerfs, say "I"! |
My main account: "I!!!"
My 2nd Account: "I!!!"
My Mule Account: "I!!!"
Course I can only get on two accounts....only two computers :(
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| 10/12/07 17:08 |
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I!!!!!!!!!!
...the hell man? Why is Steam, Ebon Hawk, Stoning, etc. so powerful now? Why do eles keep getting buffs. It's just ridiculous now man. The recharge on Steam does not warrant such a huge increase in power...come on man.
Everytime these skill "fixes" come along, all I see is Ele buff buff buff and the hope I get for Paras, it's nerfed just like they are.
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| 10/12/07 17:50 |
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I!!!!!!! We should mob the sunspear great hall about paragons rights. I love my paragon :)
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| 10/12/07 17:56 |
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i had a Para. Finished the NF campaign with him and haven't really played him since.
I agree and whole heartedly back a Paragon massing in the Sunspear Great Hall. lol
"Oi A-Net, Leave us Para's alone" To paraphrase Pink Floyd
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| 10/12/07 18:50 |
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The Guardian of Amp
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| QUOTE | The update nerfed paragons again, big surprise. Guess what, eles were buffed again.
Anet have a nasty plan for paragon balancing, and I'll let you know it.
They want paragons to use incoming a little more, but rather that buff it, bringing bak full para teams chaining it, they nerf everything else so that its a viable option again.
Aggressive refrain was the worst nerf ever, no excuses, its just horrible now.
Go for the eyes, the nerf means spam for energy and healign in teams with manyt parasut wont happen, the same goes for paras with watch yourself.
Why do anet hate paragons so? and why do they love eles so much? searing flames 7 seconds of burning wtf? and steam with more damage? they want all ele teams, but not any paras at all. |
I would have to agree with Para getting kicked while being down, again, n again, n again!! Is/was not all that great of A-net. I was actually intrested in playing one for the first time ever on a PvE level unfortunally not any more:(
I do not feel that A-net wants all Ele teams kinda far fetched imo or Eles are all that much more powerfull, obviously more than the Paras atm but nor ne more than ne of the otehr classes.
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| 10/12/07 19:47 |
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I can understand that there are always people complaining about nerfs (yeah, I know...it's easy for me to say that, being an ele myself^^), but...there must be a reason for it. ANet has people checking which skills are used how often and how and I doubt they just nerf skills because they don't like a specific profession.
If like 10.000 people use skill X in a "normal" way and get "punished" by the nerf and like 50.000 people use that skill in a build that turned out to be too powerful and has to be nerf, I guess ANet would rather nerf it to prevent 50.000 people from being too overpowered.
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| 10/12/07 19:58 |
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| QUOTE | I can understand that there are always people complaining about nerfs (yeah, I know...it's easy for me to say that, being an ele myself^^), but...there must be a reason for it. ANet has people checking which skills are used how often and how and I doubt they just nerf skills because they don't like a specific profession.
If like 10.000 people use skill X in a "normal" way and get "punished" by the nerf and like 50.000 people use that skill in a build that turned out to be too powerful and has to be nerf, I guess ANet would rather nerf it to prevent 50.000 people from being too overpowered. |
normally I'd agree w/you, but I don't even play para and I know these nerfs are stupid. I never see paragons in the lvl 20 regions, or if i do it will be 1 about every 30 outposts. Maybe there are people using the para skills w/para as their secondary, but this is just getting a little ridiculous when I hardly see any para anymore and only occasionally see para secondaries...
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| 10/12/07 20:13 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | I can understand that there are always people complaining about nerfs (yeah, I know...it's easy for me to say that, being an ele myself^^), but...there must be a reason for it. ANet has people checking which skills are used how often and how and I doubt they just nerf skills because they don't like a specific profession.
If like 10.000 people use skill X in a "normal" way and get "punished" by the nerf and like 50.000 people use that skill in a build that turned out to be too powerful and has to be nerf, I guess ANet would rather nerf it to prevent 50.000 people from being too overpowered. |
normally I'd agree w/you, but I don't even play para and I know these nerfs are stupid. I never see paragons in the lvl 20 regions, or if i do it will be 1 about every 30 outposts. Maybe there are people using the para skills w/para as their secondary, but this is just getting a little ridiculous when I hardly see any para anymore and only occasionally see para secondaries... |
Hmmh, true. You got a point there. It really sticks out.
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| 10/12/07 20:16 |
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| QUOTE | | I cant play my para for weeks now |
why not? coz u cant figure builds out yourself and the one you copied isnt quite as good as it was before?
| QUOTE | | none of the professions, even the core ones, have not been so badly nerfed. |
thats because they were more balanced in comparison to each other.
| QUOTE | | Go for the eyes is not powerful enough to warrent a 4second recharge, ar is not powerful enought o warrant making paras have caster lvl armour. |
i seriously hope youre joking...
| QUOTE | | stand your ground is just lame (nerfed x3). |
its actually still a pretty good skill. non-imba =/= bad.
| QUOTE | | many of the eotn skills were nerfed before full release. |
this is because they were found to be too powerful.
Seriously. ANet has nothing against paragons. They only nerf that which is overused and/or overpowered. Most of the paragon nerfs have been due to both reasons.
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| 10/12/07 20:39 |
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As soon as Nightfall came out, the first char I made was a Paragon.
And I must say that I loved playing, was so much fun.
After the first nerf it got a bit worst. but still enjoyable.
After the third one, I stopped and I haven't played since.
It's a shame, Paragons have a huge potential...
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| 10/12/07 20:45 |
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Exactly! Paragons have an almost ridiculous potential to be a a great profession to play in PvE and PvP, but this was at the release of nightfall! A couple of nerfings later, no one is playing them because they are no fun to play because all the fun skills are getting nerfed and all the skills that should be fun to make builds with just suck!
I mean, what other IAS has a negative effect? Besides Aggressive Refrain already has an obnoxious energy cost of 25, adding the cracked armor is just pure and simple being mean.
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| 10/12/07 20:52 |
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| QUOTE | | Exactly! Paragons have an almost ridiculous potential to be a a great profession to play in PvE and PvP, but this was at the release of nightfall! A couple of nerfings later, no one is playing them because they are no fun to play because all the fun skills are getting nerfed and all the skills that should be fun to make builds with just suck! |
cruel spear, defensive anthem. these dont suck.
| QUOTE | I mean, what other IAS has a negative effect? Besides Aggressive Refrain already has an obnoxious energy cost of 25, adding the cracked armor is just pure and simple being mean.
~Saji |
frenzy, flurry, burst of agression, tigers fury, bestial fury off the top of my head
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| 10/12/07 20:54 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | I cant play my para for weeks now |
why not? coz u cant figure builds out yourself and the one you copied isnt quite as good as it was before?
| QUOTE | | none of the professions, even the core ones, have not been so badly nerfed. |
thats because they were more balanced in comparison to each other.
| QUOTE | | Go for the eyes is not powerful enough to warrent a 4second recharge, ar is not powerful enought o warrant making paras have caster lvl armour. |
i seriously hope youre joking...
| QUOTE | | stand your ground is just lame (nerfed x3). |
its actually still a pretty good skill. non-imba =/= bad.
| QUOTE | | many of the eotn skills were nerfed before full release. |
this is because they were found to be too powerful.
Seriously. ANet has nothing against paragons. They only nerf that which is overused and/or overpowered. Most of the paragon nerfs have been due to both reasons. |
So you're saying that even though eles get moves with quick recharges like Steam doing 100+ dmg, it's alright for Paras who never get a buff to be nerfed even further?
AR being powerful? Besides the fact that it's an echo, I dont really see how it's warrants a -20 armor condition. Unless you can remove the condition immediately and never see it again (I bet it reapplies every time you use a chant/shout), that's just stupid. What kind of effect is that? Attack quicker and your armor cracks.
Stand Your Ground is pretty alright although now, it's the only armor skill you should use (stupid armor nerf) if you even use it.
In an unrelated note, I think A-net loves spiking. They nerf things that reduce damage and just keep buffing moves that cause it.
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| 10/12/07 20:57 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | I cant play my para for weeks now |
why not? coz u cant figure builds out yourself and the one you copied isnt quite as good as it was before?
| QUOTE | | none of the professions, even the core ones, have not been so badly nerfed. |
thats because they were more balanced in comparison to each other.
| QUOTE | | Go for the eyes is not powerful enough to warrent a 4second recharge, ar is not powerful enought o warrant making paras have caster lvl armour. |
i seriously hope youre joking...
| QUOTE | | stand your ground is just lame (nerfed x3). |
its actually still a pretty good skill. non-imba =/= bad.
| QUOTE | | many of the eotn skills were nerfed before full release. |
this is because they were found to be too powerful.
Seriously. ANet has nothing against paragons. They only nerf that which is overused and/or overpowered. Most of the paragon nerfs have been due to both reasons. |
So you're saying that even though eles get moves with quick recharges like Steam doing 100+ dmg, it's alright for Paras who never get a buff to be nerfed even further? |
i assume its to try to give elementalists something to do other than run flags and blinding surge
| QUOTE | | AR being powerful? Besides the fact that it's an echo, I dont really see how it's warrants a -20 armor condition. |
an IAS that NEVER wears out? o ok that on its own isnt powerful honest
| QUOTE | | Unless you can remove the condition immediately and never see it again |
or since ur a midline char with a spear, you cld just keep it on until u see ppl start running towards you...
| QUOTE | | In an unrelated note, I think A-net loves spiking. They nerf things that reduce damage and just keep buffing moves that cause it. |
ritspike?
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| 10/12/07 21:02 |
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I deleted my paragon shortly after the huge paragon downgrade several months ago. I liked their support/offense setup but now they've just been delegated to a mediocre profession and are slowly losing purpose (like pinky fingers/toes). Just wasn't as 'fun' after that.
Should probably get together and start making tons of Paragon dance videos on youtube. :P
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| 10/12/07 21:03 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Exactly! Paragons have an almost ridiculous potential to be a a great profession to play in PvE and PvP, but this was at the release of nightfall! A couple of nerfings later, no one is playing them because they are no fun to play because all the fun skills are getting nerfed and all the skills that should be fun to make builds with just suck! |
cruel spear, defensive anthem. these dont suck. |
Two skills out of the 15? Dervs have avatars, and even after Avatar of Grenth got nerfed it's still great! and incoming just shouldn't be an elite skill with that duration.
| QUOTE | | QUOTE | I mean, what other IAS has a negative effect? Besides Aggressive Refrain already has an obnoxious energy cost of 25, adding the cracked armor is just pure and simple being mean.
~Saji |
frenzy, flurry, burst of aggression, tigers fury, bestial fury off the top of my head |
Firstly, touche. secondly, tiger's fury and bestial flurry are the same. Thirdly, lemme try again, what other IAS skills have a drastic side-effect as bad as -20 armor for 20 seconds that's reapplied with the skill itself.
Now, Frenzy, maybe, but it's only double damage, so armor buffs can protect you and I think that's it :\
~Saji
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