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In the last couple of days I have twice so run across groups that I have dubbed "Mission Milkers" because they will get a mission where you have to get an item they would then kill everyone and not take the item and reset the mission and play over and over.
The first time I ran into this everyone was told not to get the item. Ok fine I had no problem with this. When all the enemies were taken care of I commented to get the item and this is when it got ugly really fast (including death threats aimed at me. One comment that still sticks in my mind is that "THIS IS MY MISSION YOU DO AS I SAY.) because I wanted to finish the mission. Long story short I quit the mission. The next day I was asked to join a team for farming a mission. After a response whether in jest or not was that they were going to do the mission over and over.
I do not know about you but I can not get away from them fast enough and if this trend continues I will start using ignore very soon.
Has anyone else run across this?
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| 10/25/07 13:48 |
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Farming missions is a very efficient way of gaining experience and getting "boss badges". The more people on the team, the more baddies, the more baddies, the more experience, etc. Some people don't like it, some do. It's perfectly "inside the rules". If you don't like it, don't do it.
I farm my own missions fairly regularly, particularly at low levels to kinda "powerlevel" myself.
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| 10/25/07 13:57 |
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| QUOTE | In the last couple of days I have twice so run across groups that I have dubbed "Mission Milkers" because they will get a mission where you have to get an item they would then kill everyone and not take the item and reset the mission and play over and over.
The first time I ran into this everyone was told not to get the item. Ok fine I had no problem with this. When all the enemies were taken care of I commented to get the item and this is when it got ugly really fast (including death threats aimed at me. One comment that still sticks in my mind is that "THIS IS MY MISSION YOU DO AS I SAY.) because I wanted to finish the mission. Long story short I quit the mission. The next day I was asked to join a team for farming a mission. After a response whether in jest or not was that they were going to do the mission over and over.
I do not know about you but I can not get away from them fast enough and if this trend continues I will start using ignore very soon.
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farming is a fact of life in the CoX universe. people do it all the time. I myself enjoy farming 'cause its usually fast xp and with a good team you can level quickly. If you don't like farming, then so be it, don't go on farm teams. But dont be that guy who always screws up the farm for everyone else who DOES want to farm by doing something such as grabbing the glowies or whatever.
This "trend" has been going on for awhile, and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. So you might as well just deal with it and don't go on farm teams if you don't like them.
There is really nothing wrong with it.
Although, I'm not saying that its cool to be rude when teaming. If they were being complete a-holes then you should have left. But on the other hand I can see where they are coming from, you were going to mess up the farm that everyone else in that team wanted to do.
So to rap up my ranting, don't go on farm teams if you don't like it, but farming missions isnt going to stop anytime soon.
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| 10/25/07 13:59 |
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bergmann
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If people want to farm thats their business.
But after almost 2 years of playing this is the first time I have run across people playing the same mission over and over. But what aggravates me the most is the fact that they were so ignorant and abusive that is what I find unforgivable.
Had I known what they were doing I would have gone elsewhere and saved myself the aggravation.
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| 10/25/07 14:09 |
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Usually people tell you up front that they are farming. It was a breach of etiquette on their part if they failed to do so.
Farming is useful for a host of reasons. Most people farm missions with easy-to-kill mobs (like Family) for quick xp. Like Ron said, I like to farm scanner missions in the pre-travel power levels because it is faster without the mission-to-mission travel time. I also like to farm some high-level Carnie or CoT missions for the salvage drops.
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| 10/25/07 14:20 |
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Farming has come in handy atm because it is also a way to get influence and/or prestige...and because IOs are so damn expensive, I farm some of my 50 mish's solo so I can have enough for IOs.
When IOs came to pass I thought one of my 50s had plenty of cash to buy 'em at 110 mil....was mistaken. Broke after 2 sets.
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| 10/25/07 14:53 |
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@Voltage - Ouch a whole 110mil!
@Main Post - Yeah farming missions are a common thing. I think they're pretty good myself, when you've been with the game a long time (which I realise you have) it can become quite nice to get fast xp rather than slowly trail along like we all did with our first character.
However I in no way endorse the behaviour of the team you were with, they seem vehement. If I am on a farm team I always make sure that they know not to touch glowies when they enter. I don't do the whole "wtf u nub wtf r u doing?!" when its already too late. If necessary I just kick them before they wreck the mission, I don't get into insult tourneys with them.
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| 10/25/07 16:45 |
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Humph,
Sadly, Farming is about the only way to get some badges. I struggled for months to get the Nemesis badge without farming, it was a tough row to hoe. I normal don't team to being with, unless it is someone I know and trust leading it. So I almost never farm.
One time, back what I was using a older version of Whimcycle, I think it was the Old School Style Ill/Empath, I scraped up a team to help me with the Envoy of Darkness. Once we killed him, I was asked if I want to keep the mission to farm. "Heck no! Finished this sucker, I'm sick of fighting him."
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| 10/25/07 22:32 |
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I think Farming is BOREING, I've added "not a farmer or bridger" to my team search line. If you need to farm for bosses your not taking the risks of hunting on the streets and what fun is that?
As for taking months to find enough bosses, most bosses can be picked up with simple hitting them where you find them and soooner than later you'll get enough. Like getting Zookeeper or CoT mages you hit them in passing. Not much xp if they are lower level but they all add to the badge.
Or you take a bit of time in the zone where they spawn and stalk them. When you get hunt missions, hunt bosses rather than easy mobs. The longest it's taken me to get a bosses badge was Paragon protectors, a week with two hunts of get 50 crey and that was sorted.
If you just want the Xp, what is the X short for? and farming isn't it. Think about it you might as well be paying some leveling service to do it for you
As for the start of the topic, If they don't tell you they are farming, it's thier fault. Just leave and don't play with them again after all you earned your share of the finshing xp/ip.
Same goes for the Farmers, TELL people that's what you're doing up front, it save's all the hassle.
In the end if you want to go ahead but don't expect me to join in.
Sorry for the rant but it's annoying to travel to a mission and find out they are farming, well that's my 2 cents :)
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| 10/26/07 03:11 |
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| QUOTE | I think Farming is BOREING, I've added "not a farmer or bridger" to my team search line.
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Same opinion here.
If people want to farm or doing scanner only, it's their thing.
If I notice that a team wants to do that, without telling me before, I ask if we keep farming or scanner only and if so, I politely tell them that I don't like it and will leave after the mish.
I can hardly do all my contacts mishs and storyarcs.
So why bother farming?
Playing hazard zones storyarcs in good teams will level you pretty fast.
Plus special events and TFs-most often I rush past the right level for the TFs.
CoH is still about the journey, not the destination.
There is no end game.
No need to rush.
Just enjoy every level.
Learn how to use your powers.
The thing I dislike about farmer and powergamer is when they start getting arrogant and insulting, just because you don't share their playstyle.
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| 10/26/07 03:44 |
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Some people love doing "the sewers" at the 1-7 levels. I hate the sewers. I like my initial mission arcs. Same deal. I tell people at low levels who are looking for teams that I'm not looking for sewers teams. It's a matter of taste.
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| 10/26/07 05:08 |
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This isn't a new trend by any means. But probably is more prevalent now that real farming has been brought into the game. And since that addition, expect this to be a regular occurence.
I always ask what's the end goal of the mission. Completion or Farming. Depending on what I'm interested in doing that day I might be up for some farming runs, I might not.
One thing to consider is...... you only have say over YOUR missions. If you choose not to farm your missions, then don't. If you get on a team and the owner of the mission wants to farm it, it's not your buisiness to tell him what you feel about farming PL'ing or any variation of those. Just leave the team and find someone that wants to run the missions the same way that you do.
It is good for the owner of the mission, and the leader on the team to make it clear of what is going on. I do get frustrated when I get on a team, we're almost done and THEN someone says "Everybody out for reset." If you don't get an indication of what they are intending to do on the run, take ownership of that and simply ask. Most of the time you are coming into a group that's been farming all night and just forget to tell new teammates the current objective.
I've never caught much flack for leaving a team after telling them I wasn't into a farming run that night. And I always leave the group with a polite comment not "You farming turds suck".
Milking missions is an acceptable function of the game.
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| 10/26/07 10:59 |
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Although I do agree with the vast majority that the people the OP was with were rather rude about their missions, I would like to point out that there ARE some anti-farmers out and about.
This, in and of itself, is a serious form of griefing. They get on a farming team that is farming a mission, complete the mission then rude wave good bye telling the mission holder that farming is wrong and they deserved what they got.
Don't forget that for every 10 people trying to do something in the game, there is one out there that is trying to make it un-fun for them.
The Halloween event is a classic example. Higher levels (towards the level cap of the zone) running around to doors that lower levels are at, knocking on the door then running away if mobs spawn, leaving the lowbie with mobs that DESTROY them.....
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| 10/26/07 12:42 |
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| QUOTE | Although I do agree with the vast majority that the people the OP was with were rather rude about their missions, I would like to point out that there ARE some anti-farmers out and about.
This, in and of itself, is a serious form of griefing. |
Hugely agreed. There was a post a while back that said about someone who joined a farm mission and, having been given the proper introduction and warning (this is a farm team, don't touch our glowies please) systematically touched all glowies and then left yelling "farming wrecks the game". Untrue. People like that wreck the game.
Union server has long been praised for its great community and the fact recent influx of newbies all say how brilliant the community is compared to most MMOs. The fact that someone is willing to piss off an entire community just to stop farming makes them far far worse than anything farming will ever achieve. At worst farming will just price-plummet items due to the systems of supply and demand. That's a good thing in my books as 30k for a luck charm is ridiculous.
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| 10/26/07 16:25 |
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Wait til Issue 11 when purple recipes get introduced...I'm gonna say lotta farmin goin on then.
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| 10/26/07 16:36 |
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Personaly, i always go by a simple game etiquete:
- If it is not one of my missions, I never touch glowies or decide approach to the mission. Clues, info and benefits are for the owner first. When I find myself on a farming team, I simply help them do it once than bid them goodbye , have to go now, thanks for the team and have fun.
- When it is one of my missions that the leader selects, I do as I please. If someone objects, I remind them that this one is mine and I want to complete it, or else please select another one.
I don't find anything wrong with farming except that it may become boring. Thus I usually don,t join declared farming teams. If i find myself on one and feels like it, I'll go along but i never found any use for it. Fast leveling seems pointless to me in this game. The fun is at every level.
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| 10/26/07 16:52 |
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[QUOTE]Personaly, i always go by a simple game etiquete:
- If it is not one of my missions, I never touch glowies or decide approach to the mission. Clues, info and benefits are for the owner first.
I don't find anything wrong with farming except that it may become boring. [QUOTE]
I second that Veloce. When I join a team, I always ask "We getting glowies?"
And if the XP is good I may stick around for 2 to 3 rounds then its out for me. It does get repetitive and boring after a while.
However, there is always a positive side to these type of situations. Think about the team build and AT make up, you can really learn how to take on different types of bad guys. When you are doing it over and over again, it gives you the opportunity to slip in different techniques and such.
It will allow you to step outside of the normal routine and play w some of your other powers and skills. This way if you get into trouble you can always revert back to what has worked the time before, hopefully without incurring any debt. I have alwayse used these types of teams to learn more about my toons and my playstyles with them.
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| 10/26/07 18:08 |
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That's generally a good rule of thumb. Only touch the glowies if it's your mission.
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| 10/26/07 23:45 |
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Ya know Chuck, I hadn't thought of that, but thats a good idea.
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| 10/27/07 00:40 |
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Farming has become commonplace in this new era and yeah they should have been more curtious to you. My sg has been farming RWZ post story arc missions as of late. Those are my current favorite to do. With 2 lvl 50's im trying to find IO sets for those are to me a great way to earn infl and other goodies. They are easy and you can go through em to the end pretty fast. We just set it to invincable and plow through em for vanguard badges, IO's,salvage, and to help a friend of ours get to 40 so he can join us this afternoon for the DR.Quarterfield TF. He can also join us in the shadow shard for a very interesting time trick or treating.(no lag issues as apposed to peregrin isle, got virtually the whole place to ourselves)
Farming indeed has its uses, but definatly should be done with some etticate and a change of scenery now and then, just to keep it interesting for all involved.
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| 10/27/07 08:10 |
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I was recently doing some farming for a different reason. I had a radio mission which was packed wall to wall with Warwolves, Vampyri, and just a few hoverbots. Nothing else but the glowie. With 3 people on the team, the ratio of Warwolves to Vampyri was almost 1:1. I was taking members of my SG under level 20 through the mission 2 at a time until everyone had their Silver Bullet and Slayer badges. One would wait at the door while the other helped fight as my sidekick. Now there are quite a few catgirls as young as level 7 running around with Atlas Medallions.
        
          
          
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| 10/27/07 17:13 |
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| QUOTE |
However, there is always a positive side to these type of situations. Think about the team build and AT make up, you can really learn how to take on different types of bad guys. When you are doing it over and over again, it gives you the opportunity to slip in different techniques and such.
It will allow you to step outside of the normal routine and play w some of your other powers and skills. This way if you get into trouble you can always revert back to what has worked the time before, hopefully without incurring any debt.
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An excellent advice for everyone Chuck.
It shows that, in this game, you can make the best out of something that would seem boring or useless. In CoH, the play is the thing.
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| 10/28/07 07:15 |
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