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I've recently created an Invincibility/Energy Melee tank.
For those that have been on i11 Test (because I can't get onto it myself - long story) do you think that Willpower will be a dominant new set for tanks and, if so, should I forget about playing my Invincibility/Energy Melee tank and just wait for i11.
I ask because I don't want to pump time into a tank class that will essentially be obsolete.
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| 11/02/07 17:26 |
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I would suggest wait. So far Willpower rocks. It's edging out regen for my favorite scrapper secondary. I think it will be my favorite tank primary too.
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| 11/02/07 18:24 |
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Willpower sounds really good, people are liking it. Hell, I would use it even if it sucked. Pain tolerance is bitchin!
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| 11/02/07 18:28 |
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He he okay thanks for the help!
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| 11/02/07 18:56 |
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yay! the tank i've wasted 36 levels in (invulnerability/energy melee) is about to be obsolete.
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| 11/02/07 19:20 |
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Well now I didn't say that. But it fits me waaaaaay better.
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| 11/02/07 21:33 |
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| QUOTE | I've recently created an Invincibility/Energy Melee tank.
For those that have been on i11 Test (because I can't get onto it myself - long story) do you think that Willpower will be a dominant new set for tanks and, if so, should I forget about playing my Invincibility/Energy Melee tank and just wait for i11.
I ask because I don't want to pump time into a tank class that will essentially be obsolete. |
Haven't tested it out yet, but I have seen most of the skills and benifits associated with it. It will pull of being a resistance/regen/def hybrid that maximises on its use of resistance with regen and def bonuses. The major drawback that it has is that there is no defense/resistance to elemental attacks like Ice/Fire/Electric/etc. and will have an edge against it. All that said, there will probably be a ton of ppl choosing this set, but I doubt it will play as the sole dominant set. It has its advantages and flaws, just like every other set out there, but most will coose it only because it is the 'new thing' out there.
Big Chill is a conscranker: he conrols a mob so they do nothing, scraps a target till they can't stand, and tanks what's left till the job's done.
Dive in, have fun, and think about it later.
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| 11/07/07 14:34 |
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| QUOTE |
The major drawback that it has is that there is no defense/resistance to elemental attacks like Ice/Fire/Electric/etc. |
Heightened Senses provides defensed to Fire/Cold/Energy/Elements as well as providing +perception and resist to Defense Debuffs
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| 11/07/07 14:41 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE |
The major drawback that it has is that there is no defense/resistance to elemental attacks like Ice/Fire/Electric/etc. |
Heightened Senses provides defensed to Fire/Cold/Energy/Elements as well as providing +perception and resist to Defense Debuffs |
I stand corrected. Willpower is an average hybrid mix, with no clear advantage in any one area with no resistance to Ice/Fire/Electric/etc.
Big Chill is a conscranker: he conrols a mob so they do nothing, scraps a target till they can't stand, and tanks what's left till the job's done.
Dive in, have fun, and think about it later.
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| 11/07/07 14:52 |
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I don't think Invul will become obsolite at all.
Yeah, there will be a tankgasmic explosion of Willpower tanks, but only because it's a brand spankin new powerset.
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| 11/07/07 17:20 |
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Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense.
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| 11/07/07 17:29 |
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| QUOTE | Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense. |
That digs back to my point. I see the basics as:
Ice Armors have the extreme edge in defense, with cold/fire res
Invulnurability has the extreme edge on Resistance with various weak spots
Fire Armor adds damage with an averaging of both (haven't checked, but I think it has some res to go with its def)
Stone Armor picks up the high side of both def and res to just about everything at the cost of speed
Willpower will have an avaraging of both with regen to make it an average hybrid mix. It won't have the highs on any one side, but a probable safe middle-spot. With its Acchilles Heel being elemental res. Alot of ppl will take it because its new, but it won't own the field.
Big Chill is a conscranker: he conrols a mob so they do nothing, scraps a target till they can't stand, and tanks what's left till the job's done.
Dive in, have fun, and think about it later.
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| 11/08/07 15:42 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense. |
That digs back to my point. I see the basics as:
Ice Armors have the extreme edge in defense, with cold/fire res
Invulnurability has the extreme edge on Resistance with various weak spots
Fire Armor adds damage with an averaging of both (haven't checked, but I think it has some res to go with its def)
Stone Armor picks up the high side of both def and res to just about everything at the cost of speed
Willpower will have an avaraging of both with regen to make it an average hybrid mix. It won't have the highs on any one side, but a probable safe middle-spot. With its Acchilles Heel being elemental res. Alot of ppl will take it because its new, but it won't own the field. |
2 things
1-fire is all resistance on the shields, no def at all
2-since when does willpower not have elemental res?
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| 11/08/07 17:53 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense. |
That digs back to my point. I see the basics as:
Ice Armors have the extreme edge in defense, with cold/fire res
Invulnurability has the extreme edge on Resistance with various weak spots
Fire Armor adds damage with an averaging of both (haven't checked, but I think it has some res to go with its def)
Stone Armor picks up the high side of both def and res to just about everything at the cost of speed
Willpower will have an avaraging of both with regen to make it an average hybrid mix. It won't have the highs on any one side, but a probable safe middle-spot. With its Acchilles Heel being elemental res. Alot of ppl will take it because its new, but it won't own the field. |
2 things
1-fire is all resistance on the shields, no def at all
2-since when does willpower not have elemental res? |
2 things
1-My mistake, never played with fire tanks, just thought that they had def.
2-Since it was posted that they were making it. It has smash/lethal/psi res, not cold/fire/electric/energy/negative res. It does however have a limited def vs all in its mix.
Big Chill is a conscranker: he conrols a mob so they do nothing, scraps a target till they can't stand, and tanks what's left till the job's done.
Dive in, have fun, and think about it later.
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| 11/08/07 20:08 |
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Sounds liek it'll be a fun set to take up...maybe...doubtfully, I'll lay my Fire/Ice tank to rest...yea right considering he was my first 50 lol
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| 11/09/07 03:36 |
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Willpower is a weird set.
Smash/Lethal/Psi resistance.
A small Resist All power.
An Elemental (E/N/F/C) Defense power.
Some regen powers.
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| 11/09/07 04:42 |
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| QUOTE | Willpower is a weird set.
Smash/Lethal/Psi resistance.
A small Resist All power.
An Elemental (E/N/F/C) Defense power.
Some regen powers. |
Yeah, from playing it on test (I finally got on) it seems more like a set added to make the Brute sets a bit more interesting and to even up the unfairness of Regen in PvP. It doesn't seem like a very good tank set to me. For instance, most enemies do Smash/Lethal damage with some extra elemental attacks as side attacks. Invulnerability gets 90% constant resistance to Smash/Lethal (according to Mids) whereas, for me, the single Smash/Lethal toggle in Willpower just doesn't cut it. Even with the quite good auto power.
Also people have been saying that Willpower will be the new Regen. I don't see it that way. To me Regen completely destroys Willpower. Willpower has very mediocre defence/resistance whilst totally missing out all the life saving powers of Regen (Reconstruction, Instant Healing) and getting the cool powers way too late (Quick Recovery at level 20?! May as well just get Stamina). It seems like for a Brute this'll be a much needed breath of fresh air as with their extreme health totals they don't really need Reconstruction quite as much and mediocre all round moves will really play well with their health pool. But for a scrapper I just don't think it's very good. Just my opinions; put forward what you think.
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| 11/09/07 05:00 |
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I think Willpower will be a great set for those of us who Solo-Tank. Don't get me wrong, it seems like a really cool, really fun, really effective set. However, I don't think it's going to own the other sets at all. You'll see a LOT of Willpower tanks running around for a while since this is the first time Tankers have gotten a Primary added since the launch of CoH, I think. So, for "freshness" sake, you're going to see quite a few Will/* tanks. I suspect SS, Fire and Energy will be your 3 biggies, however with all the new weapon graphics, you might see some Maces and Axes out there.
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| 11/09/07 07:22 |
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| QUOTE | | I think Willpower will be a great set for those of us who Solo-Tank. Don't get me wrong, it seems like a really cool, really fun, really effective set. However, I don't think it's going to own the other sets at all. You'll see a LOT of Willpower tanks running around for a while since this is the first time Tankers have gotten a Primary added since the launch of CoH, I think. So, for "freshness" sake, you're going to see quite a few Will/* tanks. I suspect SS, Fire and Energy will be your 3 biggies, however with all the new weapon graphics, you might see some Maces and Axes out there. |
Agreed, it seems very much a solo set which I why I personally think it is the Devs' way of amending the unspoken fact that Brutes are very crummy compared to scrappers. I know that Brutes are supposed to be compared to tanks, but let's face it; stalkers are not scrappers.
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| 11/09/07 08:00 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense. |
That digs back to my point. I see the basics as:
Ice Armors have the extreme edge in defense, with cold/fire res
Invulnurability has the extreme edge on Resistance with various weak spots
Fire Armor adds damage with an averaging of both (haven't checked, but I think it has some res to go with its def)
Stone Armor picks up the high side of both def and res to just about everything at the cost of speed
Willpower will have an avaraging of both with regen to make it an average hybrid mix. It won't have the highs on any one side, but a probable safe middle-spot. With its Acchilles Heel being elemental res. Alot of ppl will take it because its new, but it won't own the field. |
2 things
1-fire is all resistance on the shields, no def at all
2-since when does willpower not have elemental res? |
2 things
1-My mistake, never played with fire tanks, just thought that they had def.
2-Since it was posted that they were making it. It has smash/lethal/psi res, not cold/fire/electric/energy/negative res. It does however have a limited def vs all in its mix. |
although its minor, check the frst auto power
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Only way to see if Willpower will be any good is to wait for it to go live and let everyone try it out. I'm already thinking of making a Willpower Brute with Energy Melee.
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| 11/09/07 14:34 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | Don't count out the other tanker sets so quickly.
Will Power does have a few glaring holes. Energy Resistance, for one. It has almost no resistance for Energy or Negative energy attacks. Think...Freakshow and CoT. It does offer DEFENSE against these, but not to the extent that Invuln's resistance offers.
For those who don't know:
Resistance - You take less damage from attacks that land.
Defense - Less attacks land.
The difference is, you can cap out resistance much higher than you can cap out defense. |
That digs back to my point. I see the basics as:
Ice Armors have the extreme edge in defense, with cold/fire res
Invulnurability has the extreme edge on Resistance with various weak spots
Fire Armor adds damage with an averaging of both (haven't checked, but I think it has some res to go with its def)
Stone Armor picks up the high side of both def and res to just about everything at the cost of speed
Willpower will have an avaraging of both with regen to make it an average hybrid mix. It won't have the highs on any one side, but a probable safe middle-spot. With its Acchilles Heel being elemental res. Alot of ppl will take it because its new, but it won't own the field. |
2 things
1-fire is all resistance on the shields, no def at all
2-since when does willpower not have elemental res? |
2 things
1-My mistake, never played with fire tanks, just thought that they had def.
2-Since it was posted that they were making it. It has smash/lethal/psi res, not cold/fire/electric/energy/negative res. It does however have a limited def vs all in its mix. |
although its minor, check the frst auto power |
Okay, I give up on the fine points. But my opinion stands. It will turn out being an average set that doesn't excell and doesn't suck. It'll fit somewhere in the middle and won't uproot any of the decent sets already out there.
Big Chill is a conscranker: he conrols a mob so they do nothing, scraps a target till they can't stand, and tanks what's left till the job's done.
Dive in, have fun, and think about it later.
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