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Has anyone else ever had enough with GW's armor 'distribution'? It often bothers me that some profs get pretty much all the 'cool' stuff whereas some professions get shafted, haven't you ever noticed?
Take, for example, the elementalist.
Why is it that elementalists seem to have only -one- style of armor? Every set looks the same, yet slightly modified with some different colors and patterns.
Don't get me started about the headgear, cause, well, who likes having a strange circle above your head? Well, I doubt anyone does. For 15k you'd get 3 circles or one spinning round your head. Awesome isn't it? Probably not if you don't have much of a choice.
Elementalists aren't the only one with this 'problem', most of the other profs have the same problem (paragons, dervishes, mesmers, monks and to a somewhat lesser extent necro's and rangers)
Elementalists and paragons, in my opinion are the worst. All their armor models look the same, slightly altered. Have you ever looked at the elementalist fissure armor? looks like 30 minutes work to me. Paras all have the same white armor in which I can barely make out any difference between the sets.
Same goes for dervishes/mesmers really. All their armor looks the same aswell with some different features.
Necromancers/rits/rangers/monks have some more choice, for example rangers have coat and vest type of sets, and necromancers can go for scar patterns and the monk has some 'non-white' sets, however their other sets look real boring.
Assassins, I find don't have it as bad, their sets look kinda different from eachother and have many graphical features on them usually, which is rather good.
...but now take the warriors.
I'd say warriors are Anets favorite, no doubt. Warriors have ALL kinds of different sets, whereas the other profs have designed types of armor (ranger has rough surival-ish armor, eles have robes, ritualists blindfold and wrappings, the dervishes have robes in a 'reaper' style) the warriors have all kinds of different types, from the more organic looking (elite) dragon and luxon to the canman-ish Knight's and platemail armor.Heck, none of the warrior helmets look the same, which is a unique thing (the other professions have basically ALL the same type of headgear, with very little exceptions). Each of the warrior sets has its own style, something what's definatly missing from the other profs.
So why do warriors have all types of sets, whereas some profs only have one type of set to choose of, and are forced to buy some kind of lame reskin? Sure, the common armor pieces kinda help, but there are far to few of them and they're way to expensive to bother with for most players.
If you ask me its about damn time Anet put some inspiration in their armor sets (particulary non-warrior profs) and give other profs some love.
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| 11/21/07 13:00 |
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I agree with you on all those parts.
but even the wars suffered reskins in eotn. monument or asuran armor anyone?
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| 11/21/07 13:05 |
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| QUOTE | | Elementalists and paragons, in my opinion are the worst. All their armor models look the same, slightly altered. Have you ever looked at the elementalist fissure armor? looks like 30 minutes work to me. Paras all have the same white armor in which I can barely make out any difference between the sets. |
Have you ever modeled armor for a video game? Didnt think so.
I guarantee you the armor probably took a few weeks to implement into the game. First, you have the concept sketches, probably a few hours to produce a few different styles, then recreate the "winning" style in higher detail. Next you have the person who actually models it, then you have another person who makes the texture for it. THEN you have someone who animates the armor to work on the characters. Once that is all done, you can go back and make sure its all fluid and doesnt clip through the character, no matter how small or large they are.
All in all you probably looking for a few weeks depending on the detail for any armor from concept to in-game, except for the EoTN Reskins....those could have been done by 1 person in about a day or two.
PS: Even if the FoW Ele looks like a "30-minute" job, its still my fav female ele armor.(despite me not having it)
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Elementalists and paragons, in my opinion are the worst. All their armor models look the same, slightly altered. Have you ever looked at the elementalist fissure armor? looks like 30 minutes work to me. Paras all have the same white armor in which I can barely make out any difference between the sets. |
Have you ever modeled armor for a video game? Didnt think so.
I guarantee you the armor probably took a few weeks to implement into the game. First, you have the concept sketches, probably a few hours to produce a few different styles, then recreate the "winning" style in higher detail. Next you have the person who actually models it, then you have another person who makes the texture for it. THEN you have someone who animates the armor to work on the characters. Once that is all done, you can go back and make sure its all fluid and doesnt clip through the character, no matter how small or large they are.
All in all you probably looking for a few weeks depending on the detail for any armor from concept to in-game, except for the EoTN Reskins....those could have been done by 1 person in about a day or two.
PS: Even if the FoW Ele looks like a "30-minute" job, its still my fav female ele armor.(despite me not having it) |
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Also, to clarify, I'm not trying to say this armor is fugly and that one's beautiful, cause that differs per person, so its no use. I'm saying there should be more inspiration and difference in the armor sets from some classes
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Elementalists aren't the only one with this 'problem', most of the other profs have the same problem (paragons, dervishes, mesmers, monks and to a somewhat lesser extent necro's and rangers)
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Basically you think every armor looks the same..........
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I'd say warriors are Anets favorite, no doubt. Warriors have ALL kinds of different sets, whereas the other profs have designed types of armor (ranger has rough surival-ish armor, eles have robes, ritualists blindfold and wrappings, the dervishes have robes in a 'reaper' style) the warriors have all kinds of different types, from the more organic looking (elite) dragon and luxon to the canman-ish Knight's and platemail armor.Heck, none of the warrior helmets look the same, which is a unique thing (the other professions have basically ALL the same type of headgear, with very little exceptions). Each of the warrior sets has its own style, something what's definatly missing from the other profs. |
Dont forget that they get their own Eagle Armor
Yeah, I get what you mean, cause I dont like warriors AT ALL. Its crazy of my but they dont appeal to me. But however I think it would be unfair to say that most of the professions have crappy work done on them. In my opinion I like Para FoW, and ele looks good, I just dont like playing eles.
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Wow, never heard this whine before...
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Well as a warrior myself i do agree with you, warriors have the most unique looking armors, but as peck said, creating a whole new 3d model ain't something you just do. A basic 3d model(even of a sword) takes up to 1 hour or longer. And yes, some different kind of armors for the other proffs would be nice but if you look closley, they are bit based on RL as well, and the other proffs hardly have any armor in the past of Earth, let alone they have to create one. The warriors do, look at the Vikings and stuff, always armors.
I just say that your right but think also that if you would be a designer yourself, what would have you designed ??
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only thing that really bugs me now after the initial annoyance of all the reskins in EOTN is when i think about what some of the armors could of been :)
like the vangaurd guys OMG! they have awesome spiky armor, surely a-net could of worked there magic into making some funky sets for those :)
oh and why would asurans have armor that fitted normal sized people ready made to hand out to millions of people? (meant as a joke but now in curious xD )
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| QUOTE | | oh and why would asurans have armor that fitted normal sized people ready made to hand out to millions of people? (meant as a joke but now in curious xD ) |
The same reason the smallest warrior armor looks the exact same(but larger) on the largest warrior model.
The armor in GW has this magic effect that allows it to shrink or grow, depending on the size of the user, what your buying is simply Asuran armor that "grows" to normal-size armor when you pick it up.
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of course i should of known, that is truly amazing :P
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| QUOTE | I agree with you on all those parts.
but even the wars suffered reskins in eotn. monument or asuran armor anyone? |
lol im about to just buy the 15k templarish loooking monument helm
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| QUOTE | | but even the wars suffered reskins in eotn. monument or asuran armor anyone? |
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i don't mind what i'm wearing, as long as i can totally own a totally pimped out FoW armor set guy ^^
it's about the --m4d sk1LL2-- not the armor ^^
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on-topic: Paragon Norn armour is pretty unique, and not re-skinned at all. Buuuut I agree about the lack of good Ele armours, especially for male.
semi-off topic: I've never seen a war with Asuran armour (in-game, if you have it then great but i've never seen it), so surely it would be good to have it just because you would be so rare!
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Elementalists and paragons, in my opinion are the worst. All their armor models look the same, slightly altered. Have you ever looked at the elementalist fissure armor? looks like 30 minutes work to me. Paras all have the same white armor in which I can barely make out any difference between the sets. |
Have you ever modeled armor for a video game? Didnt think so.
I guarantee you the armor probably took a few weeks to implement into the game. First, you have the concept sketches, probably a few hours to produce a few different styles, then recreate the "winning" style in higher detail. Next you have the person who actually models it, then you have another person who makes the texture for it. THEN you have someone who animates the armor to work on the characters. Once that is all done, you can go back and make sure its all fluid and doesnt clip through the character, no matter how small or large they are.
All in all you probably looking for a few weeks depending on the detail for any armor from concept to in-game, except for the EoTN Reskins....those could have been done by 1 person in about a day or two.
PS: Even if the FoW Ele looks like a "30-minute" job, its still my fav female ele armor.(despite me not having it) |
*clap clap clap*
You actualy know how a game is made.
And I don't think all ele armors look the same =$
If you compare Elite Sunspear with Primeval.. total Difference.
 
Primeval must be hard to put in the game. Making sure all the "framework" doesn't spike ANY staff/shield/what ever. Little more respect for ppl who make games =P (that's including me).
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| QUOTE | *clap clap clap*
You actualy know how a game is made.
Primeval must be hard to put in the game. Making sure all the "framework" doesn't spike ANY staff/shield/what ever. Little more respect for ppl who make games =P (that's including me). |
That can probably be attributed to two things. A) Being an avid gamer, in a sense that I actually understand how they are made and B) Working towards a degree in Game and Simulation Programming.
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That would be the last =]
I'm learning how to make games and work with photoshop in school.. what can be more awesome? =D
The games aren't that good yet (2D stuff), but with the Photoshop part I'm ahead of the whole class lol. And I'm really not that good with it =$
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EDIT:That would actualy be both than? xD
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i notice ele armor's differences right away, it's the paragon i agree with you on. asides from FoW, it's hard to tell exactly what armor they're wearing at first glance.
as many know, i'm obsessed with armor sets, having close to 70 sets of armor now. It is difficult to come up with new ideas and that sort of thing, a lot like in the movie Grandma's Boy.
it would've taken too much time to change the elves entirely, so they just made them a different color, cheap and fast.
pretty much exactly like a re-skin. You can/do notice a difference, but it's much the same.
cost slashing, something the world is receiving with open arms... but is the slashing time/effort/money worth the finished, drab product that can invoke the gag/rage reflex?
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| 11/23/07 15:01 |
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The worst was factions. ALL THE TYPES OF ARMOR (i.e. Knights to glads) WAS THE SAME! The only factions armor i bought (except for sin) was my Monk 1.5k kurz pants. Even my ranger uses tyrian armor (cantha born)
it is ridiculous. Thats why i bought all my armor forever ago.
IN ADDITION!
The differences between ele 15k and ele 1.5k (in tyria) is that:
IT'S THE SAME!
Except for the cost and like 3 lines of code worth "shine" it has nothing.
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I believe the answer to your complaint can be answered in one word...
"Unique"
Certain armor looks the same and is styled different on different types, all because each profession needs to have unique armor. It's part of saying: "That's an elementalist and that's a mesmer, you can tell because of that...or that".
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