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zeramoth

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think this is true??

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10225077

do you belive it or not?? would be intresting to see what you guys and girls thinks about this

11/27/07 09:53

HackingHippie89

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RE: think this is true??

well that certaintly is interesting, but just to be sure this isnt an extreme fluke id like to see a few more runs. After all, its not science unless you can repeat it :-p

i believe there is some validity to this however, i farm Exuertos will on my 130 derv and usually kill all the foes at around the same time(within 1-2 scythe attacks) and ive got a few friends that farm with the e/a and a/e and get pretty close to the same drop rate, perhaps though this is too small of a group to validate with

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11/27/07 10:03

Tha Golden Warrior

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RE: think this is true??

fake...

"wtb attention"

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11/27/07 10:05

hat-of-doom

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RE: think this is true??

if you are looking for a interesting guru thread, read this:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10205152

11/27/07 10:08

omfg rank ten guy

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RE: think this is true??

agree with the war above me....

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11/27/07 10:08

zeramoth

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RE: think this is true??

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fake...

"wtb attention"

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

11/27/07 11:00

Tha Golden Warrior

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RE: think this is true??

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

jesus christ i was talking about the guy that made the post on guru not you omg...no need for all the neg cred and acusations...

11/27/07 11:22

zeramoth

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RE: think this is true??

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

jesus christ i was talking about the guy that made the post on guru not you omg...no need for all the neg cred and acusations...

well say so then I'am stupid sometimes^^

11/27/07 11:26

Rap Man

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RE: think this is true??

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fake...

"wtb attention"

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

I think he means the guy he made the thread on guru n yeah I think it's a fake.

Edit: Lol I was too late.

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11/27/07 11:34

hat-of-doom

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RE: think this is true??

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fake...

"wtb attention"

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

I think he means the guy he made the thread on guru n yeah I think it's a fake.

that was sorted out all ready, if ya read the posts above.

11/27/07 11:35

MasterSaji

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RE: think this is true??

as I posted on guru...

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There is no solid evidence proving this. I can easily go do a quick run on my monk. take a screen shot, and then give said drops to my brother on his necro who, of course, takes a screen shot of the same loot.

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11/27/07 11:38

retro77

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RE: think this is true??

You'll only believe it if you do it yourself. So get some guildies/alliance buddies on vent and do it!

11/27/07 11:44

zeramoth

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RE: think this is true??

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fake...

"wtb attention"

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you really think i "wtb attention" on a guild wars forum, man I do have a life, I just want to see what people thinks about this, I mean everything is possible right?

I think he means the guy he made the thread on guru n yeah I think it's a fake.

Edit: Lol I was too late.

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11/27/07 11:48

Tha Golden Warrior

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RE: think this is true??

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I own3d Joey!

yeh some Doppleganger+ owned me too

11/27/07 11:52

omfg rank ten guy

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RE: think this is true??

if u cn use this build to farm crystalline swords with a uber secret build pls let me know.

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Thats good advice for anyone...no one likes being pushed...someone might fall!

11/27/07 12:00

Jamnog

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RE: think this is true??

I have no reason to doudbt this is how the random drop is calculated. I mean when you enter an aria is one aspect of drop ratio makes sence if you have an aria get much more popular at a certain time of day (bots come out at night).
One way to combat that would be to have time based drop reduction also player population based drop reduction.
I would suggest the other main factor would be the difficulty of the monster.
Skills a monster might have enchantment stripping etc would perhaps affect the drop rate. as its the same area your both farming then it proves there isn't a random number generator at work here that there is a mechanic based on a variable. Now you know a key variable is time everything else is constant.
theoretically you could use time to calculate all the others.

I think.

edit #1: actually the word random is out of place. (You don't calculate random) but perception of the player it is still random as you don't have access to how many people enter the map at the same time as you or if that actually has an effect.
In fact any of the other possible variables... Unless you run say 3 runs, and each turns out the same (as the last), then you would know that entering at the same time is the only variable. Sounds to me that you have found the most important variable proves that many variables are non existant. Nice to know that professions are not variables.

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11/27/07 12:36

Inf Scuderia

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RE: think this is true??

I don't believe this is true. When you enter an explorable area you get your own private copy of the map. I think it would be more work an programming to give two ppl at the excact moment the same loot then generate randomly loot for all those private servers.

Or am I seeing thing wrong?

11/27/07 12:44

stanzhao1

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RE: think this is true??

Its can easily be proved to be fake or not.

Just farm somewhere at a dedicated time with someone, do it at exactly the same time the next day, see the results.

Personally i wouldnt disregard this straight away, i guess when you farm you dont notice how the drops come. you just pick up, i'd, then repeat. no actual real thought goes into repative farming.

Would be intresting to try i guess.

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11/27/07 12:55

Chrisworld

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RE: think this is true??

IMO thats easy to fake, and personally i think the odds of getting EXACTLY the same items would take very long to achieve.

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11/27/07 14:18

itsthatemochild

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RE: think this is true??

personally, i wouldnt knock that 1st link. try it first, then bitch at them when it proves false, if that will make you happy.

as for that 2nd link.... wow. just wow.
am i not understanding this, or is it like a private GW server with additions that originate from players? oye....

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11/27/07 14:18

aznese guy

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RE: think this is true??

that's totally fake. There's no way in hell in the same run, 2 different people get the same drops that ID exactly the same. Seriously think about those odds. And ofc they know each other which makes it 1000x more possible for the same drops(sarcasm).

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11/27/07 14:44

eiirish

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RE: think this is true??

No way that necro could carry all that loot with him, look how full his inventory is!
So he couldn't have gotten the loot by the monk in town.
Apperently he had to carry it in rounds to that area, and the monk aswell.
I dont know what I think yet

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11/27/07 14:51

thaskippy

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RE: think this is true??

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yeh well that kinda is the point, they say it has to with when you enter the map, since they both enetered at the same time they should get the same drops, no other variables involved and no odds. as long as they enter at exactly the same time (if it's true i think it will be in bigger timeframes than mere seconds but anyways) the odd of them getting the same drops is simply 1:1 (again if it's true)

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the necro could have entered with all that stuff, drop it, kill some monster, fill up is inventory with their loot, and take a screen with a full inventory and a lot of stuff on the ground.

anyways, i don't see a reason why not to believe it, the guy that did this didn't gain anything from it so why the hell would he lie ? but maybe i'll try it out sometimes..

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11/27/07 15:18

Lady Alica

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RE: think this is true??

For everyone screaming FAKE....why? The only reason I can see people giving is the chances of this happening....well...guess what? That's what they were trying to prove! If they had gone to random areas, then compared loot then yeah, fake. But they were trying to get the same run, so they may just have succeeded....

Give them the benefit of the doubt.

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11/27/07 15:23

sleep_FTW

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RE: think this is true??

After some of the things that have happened in my experiences of playing GW...it could be true, then again there was that one shield scam and the crystallines that you get in pre. anything is possible.

edit: i was actually thinking of posting this yesterday when i saw it. but you beat me.

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11/27/07 15:51

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jesus christ

Please refrain from using his name in the manner that you did.

11/27/07 16:04

Chrisworld

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RE: think this is true??

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jesus christ

Ya um uncalled for... try keep those kinds of things to yourself please.

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11/27/07 16:08

retro77

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RE: think this is true??

Imagine if you got a buddy to farm with you and you get that uber rare drop, now there are two of them...DoA anyone?

11/27/07 16:23

Drucila

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RE: think this is true??

I have played a ton of MMOs and I doubt this is real. It is entirely possible I suppose but I doubt it is real. The logic being that loot tables are basically a random number generator. So when you go out farming they have a certain number of items that each mob can drop and they are picked randomly...

Anyone can find a pattern if anything if they look hard enough...

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11/27/07 16:44

mwpeck

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It depends how the system works. I'm assuming that if it DOES go off the time you zone in, it also looks at the date, meaning even if you zone in at EXACTLY the same time on two different days, then the drops will be different.

But, this also means that all drops are decided BEFORE you even kill anything, which IMHO is completely possible seeing as item mods (like +30 health and such) are determined when the item drops instead of when its identified. (which is how people can "check" a weapon for certain mods before they ID it)

This would also mean that GW does not run off a randomized loot table, which basically, when you kill something it says "Ok, monsters can drop this, this and that......Lets get a random number [insert complex random number generator here], ok, random number is 54, lets give them this item".

Instead, if that post is 100% legit it does a calculation based on the time the person entered the map(instead of a random calculation) then picks the item from a loot table, based on the time they entered.

What I'm saying is if they use a random loot table, and it picks a number between 1-100, its going to come out with a different number most of the times it runs the calculation, therefore it will give a different item even if every other condition is the same. BUT, if they go based off the time they entered the map, then you can run the calculation a million times and it will always give you the same thing.

So, what style Anet used, only Anet will know.....so you cant say for sure that the post is legit or fake unless it turns out true through hundreds of tests.


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11/27/07 16:47

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