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DocterPink

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New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

We got ninjas and mercernaeries. Why not knights and stuff? I personally think that would be awesome. Here's some powers I came up with:

Medieval:

Magic Bolt: You fire off a weak, mystical blasts of energy at the opponent. Damage: Minor. Recharge: Fast. (Ranged Energy Damage, Knockback)

Summon Knights: You call upon 1-3 valiant knights (depending on level) to fight for you. The third will be a Paladin. Knights have powerful swords and armor, but they are bulky and not very fast. They can be trained to gain new skills and attacks. If you attempt to summon more knights, they will replace the ones you have out now. Recharge: Very Long

Magic Burst: You blast a powerful blast of magical energy at an enemy, which can cause them to be knocked back. Damage: Moderate. Recharge: Moderate (Ranged Energy Damage, Knockback)

Train Warriors: You train your knights in the ways of combat. This power permanently bestows new attacks to your pets. Upgrades vary depending on the type of pet. This only works on your pets. Recharge: Medium

Mystic Torrent: By harnessing you magical energies, you fire a powerful wave of energy which repels most enemies away from you. Damage: Minor. Recharge: Slow (Ranged Cone Knockback)

Summon Archers: You summon 1-2 skilled archers (depending on level) to assist you in combat. Archers are masters of the bow and arrows and attack with pinpoint accuracy. Like all henchmen, the archer can be outfitted with new equipment and skills. You can only have 2 archers at a time. Recharge: Very Long

Charge!: Using your great strength as a leader, you can command your henchmen to charge into battle with great charisma and strength. This increases the damage and damage resistance of all of your pets for a bit. After the charge, however, your henchman will be tired and need a little while to rest. Recharge: Very Long. (Henchman PBAoE Buff, +Damage, +Resistance (All but Psionics) )

Summon Wizard: You call forth a powerful wizard to crush your enemies. The wizard is a powerful mage who wields many strong spells that can not only destroy his enemies, but also aid his teammates. You can only have one wizard at a time and they can be buffed like all henchman. Recharge: Very Long

King’s Blessing: The king of the land has given his blessing to you henchman and their honorable cause. This permanently bestows great gifts upon your henchman. The powers gained are independent of the type of henchman who get the blessing. This only works on your henchman and it only works on any given henchman once. Recharge: Medium

I was thinking the knights and paladins would have warhammers. The knights would naturally have armor that protects them from smash, lethtal, taunt, fear, and placate. The archers have a bonus to accuracy and the wizard would have resistance to fire, cold, energy, and negative. The wizard has psychic attacks and the paladin can heal. So, what do you guys think?

12/01/07 13:31

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

I think this would a great addition to MM powersets, but I think the theme would be a bit inconsistent in CoV. Aren't knights suppose to be noble and fight for the honor of their kings? Unless they are incredibly zealot when it comes to obeying their kings orders to pillage and murder. Perhaps Black Knights instead? But then who do they consider King? Would it be the MM or...?

Just my thoughts :P

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12/01/07 14:41

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

I was thinking along those lines. The knights strictly follow the orders of their king, which I was suggesting the MM would be. Personally, I don't really think of ninjas or soldiers as bad guys either, but whatever

12/01/07 15:22

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

There are BLack Knights of course, but I would also like to see evil mystics. I also think then the mystics could be female or male.

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12/01/07 16:36

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Aren't knights suppose to be noble and fight for the honor of their kings?

Knights? Not necessarily. Paladins? Hell yes.

But then again, if 'noble' knights can't make it in the game... why did they add the Oni, which is a samurai deity (and as we all know, the samurais were good and the ninjas were evil)? If we put it like that, then knights should be added.

I personally find this an amazing idea, especially the Paladin part.

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12/02/07 00:32

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

Or taking a page from old school D&D the "Anti-Paladin" the epitome of Evil incarnate.

Dark knight + upgrade = Anti-Paladin

Archer + upgrade = Longbowmen

Anti-Paladins, Longbowmen , & a Wizard Oh My!!!

Bot's have knockback, Ninja's close fast, Necro pets all have an occasional self heal, as for Thugs & Mercs idk their defining feature. But I think for coolness D.Knights could have hurled weapon (axe, mace, etc...) at range, Archers could have flaming arrows AOE & after upgrade maybe an archery sniper attack.

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12/02/07 13:01

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Aren't knights suppose to be noble and fight for the honor of their kings?

Ahem, all knights followed a code of Chivalry (if spelt correct) and they were all loyal to the king, much like most solider types of the global factions throughout the age. Almost all knights would give their lives for their kings and followed every word from the king or queen to the letter!

The term knight is actually based apon a status within society, one that would be above peasent and baron when the idea of knights first came into place.

History is exciting children, share my passion and look over the facts?

*Also knights would be a little out of place with the time space to be fair, and before you say so are ninjas. Well heres something i find relativly interesting, according to several sources ive checked over in my probably too much free time. Ninja's may neve actually have exsisted...

However there is so much speculation on this matter that i refuse to go into it. One thing that is fact, Ninja swords, cool right?

Nope, Ninja swords never exsisted, ever, it was a Hollywood item that has become so iconic that everything thinks they exsist! Ninja swords were regular katanas, not straight bladed swords as is traditionally believed, see the power of media and false advertising! ((Note, any shop selling 'ninja blades' is most likely selling forged or cheap swords))

Which is another reason why i dont do 'ninja blade' stalkers!

As i say i have too much spare time but its something to lull over in your mind IF you have bothered to read this far.

Nice idea for the set, but i just dont know personally if i would like to see it implimented (seems a little too close to my own samurai and knight pet set ideas submitted elsewhere within the forum)

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12/02/07 14:17

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

You present a fun fantasy alternative for a powerset that also gives an MM a reason to gear up in some of the more medieval costume styles, well done.

The only note I would have is that the Force Field power set already delivers a very comprehensive knockback power set (especially if combined with the knockback proc from Robotics), to be more in tune with the mystical nature of the power set perhaps you might switch to mezzes, holds and debuffs as most magic from medieval times tended towards enchantments and curses rather than fireballs and blasts of pure force. Well done though, I'd have a great time running heroes into the dirt with those pets.

12/02/07 19:28

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

on subject: i think it's a good idea for the mm power sets.

Off subject: i'm about 90% sure that oni were demons or demon lords and therefore not samurai "dieties". as i understand japanese culture samuria only had one "lord" or "god". and that was the emperor. furthermore, with japanese society being a cast system up until recently, i'm pretty sure that the samurai (being a part of the ruling class) were considered by and large to be the "evil" ones.

so with that being said, the ninja were a direct response to the oppression of the ruling classes of medieval japan. so the popular portrayal of ninja being inherently evil and the samuria being inherently good is something else that i think hollywood and main stream media has messed up. in short, "oni" being included in the "ninja" set makes sense. because they are both "evil".

12/03/07 08:53

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Off subject: i'm about 90% sure that oni were demons or demon lords and therefore not samurai "dieties".

Hellmeister told me that Oni were samurai deities. Go blame him ;)

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12/04/07 08:37

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Now for a start you are generalising samurai there. Go no further. Samurai were not always loyal to their emperor, infact there are several different ages of samurai that span back to the late 400's. Samurai is the closest translation to solider, and thus samurai means solider. DSifferent time periods had different samurai leaders, but some i would say (the middle periods) the samurai were not govenered directly by the emperor, but their dynamo of whom they swore their undying loyalty too.

Before the samurai that we typically think of (the ones wielding the katana, when the prefered weapons were actually yari and longbows, katanas were only brought in during he edo period of the Tokugawa shogunate and even then were used to show social structure as opposed to fighting for the most part), there were only regular peasent soliders. The samurai we think of today originated from a fudal dynamo (the term for a samurai/regional lord if i spelt it correctly) training special soliders to cause an uprising to an early emperor, and in turn this cause a military revoloution that created the samurai we know and think today.

Alot of Japan's culture originates from China, in the very ealy years when the two countries were on better terms (so to speak) if you do some research Japanese Kanji originates from china, samurai armor (both before and traditional) originates to something simular from chinese armor from the three kingdoms era.

Early samurai weaponary was simular to Chinese weaponary as swords were straight(er) and they used Kwan Dao (the chinese 'halbard') which is what i would suppose was the initial plan for the samurai nagatana (or lady spear). These are just some examples.

Now i've come off point a little, Ninja, if they truely exsisted were not different from samurai which is a fairly common misconception. Ninja were mercinaries that for the most part worked WITH the samurai and NOT against. Ninja for the most part were tools of assassination, and were not actually treated all that well. Japan was one of the first counties to allow women in the millitary, and in this case in the form of kunochi (female ninja) who were usually used to suduce information out of enemies or to carry out 'special' assassinations. For the most part the lady samurai did not fight wars but were trained to use nagitana and knife (taito) to defend their homes and villages. If they failed they were to commit Jigai (the women's version of seppuku, the ritual of samurai suicide).

Fact no 2, most ninja wielded standard samurai weapons such as the katana and Yari, and were certainly not around until shortly before the Edo period. The whole ninja blade and ninja star (shriunken if spelt correctly) were not real, but invented later after the days of the ninja. Ninja used throwing knives not stars for the most part, and they were not given as much training as samurai in melee combat, as they were supposed to be assassins and not need to come into melee combat for the most part. Some think that ninja was really a level below samurai in the food chain (so to speak) but to be honest it is not really known as ninja have so many different documents all varying in information no one knows which is correct.

Yes at some stages ninja were used to kill samurai, but for the most part 90% of ninja would be slain in direct combat against a samurai and it was the samurai that 'wiped out' the ninja (not mass slaughter as some suspect) but by general lack of need after the Edo period into the Meji period (where the 'samurai' startded to fair and become more prone to using Arqubusses and other early forms of rifles in the mid 1800's). When the samurai had guns why were ninja needed, ninja died out through lack of use really. The term samurai as i have said means solider, so those who say the samurai are dead are wrong, as samurai will always exsist so long as the Japanese do, just they wont be the medievil samurai sterotype that springs to mind.

Back to samurai being 'evil' samurai fought for honor, mostly their own honor! However samurai and ninja alike were soliders, they were used for battle to battle. They lived to fight and die in battle, i suppose along the lines of most soliders but with a more diehard attitude (on the die part). It is a common known fact that samurai used to bath before battles, so that they would be clean in death should it come.

Samurai, as with all soliders are only as good or evil as the ones that lead them. Lets take an example of Oda Nobunaga. He is typically portraied as being demon as he was such a powerful Dynamo that nearly conquored Japan in the late 1500's. Now that would be classed as a good samurai as he had a vision of unifying the fuding lands, and he nearly did so. He was killed in battle by Akechi Mitsuhide wo belived him to be a tyrant. This means Mitsuhide abandoned his dynamo and gathered an army of samurai to fight and kill nobunaga. This would be portraided as an evil and dishonorable act, but really his motivations were just, so there is much speculation over this.

Some samurai were known to be shrewed and dishonorable, and again their samurai soliders were only as good as them, take Date Masamune who was never thought highly of. The samurai he led would then be portraed as bad for serving their master, even if it is not their will.

So really samurai and ninja were soliders and are soliders always good or evil? it is hard to say really. Soliders can both protect, and kill.

Thats my piece on that, now

The oni, a japanese demon that resmembled human form, had power over fire (and some say wind too). Again the samurai also believed in other things such as the tengu oger (tengu = mountain or something simular) that were not real but story, or stories of powerful samurai that were manipulated into a demon.

For example the powerful samurai (this one a general, not a dynamo) Sanada Yukimora was called the crimsom devil, did that make him an oni, he was a mortal man, he had no power of fire but the nickname and tales of his battles may have inspired stories that became twisted stories. Simular with the old religeon, Japanese are traditionally buddist (zen buddists), yet they had (i think it was) 27 gods included two supreme gods (ie like Zeus from Greek Mythology). Bishamon/Bishamonten was the god of war of whom they belived (im no expert on buddism but i dont belive they have a god of war, amongst other things?) and fortune.

Many things lie unexplained in all fairness.

Anyway thats my huge post done, next question anyone? I have left alot unsaid but i figured i've said to much for most people's attention span :)

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12/04/07 15:00

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

And I suppose you want me to believe that pirates didn't actually have hooks for hands or carry around parrots on their shoulders!

And they said I was crazy.

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12/04/07 16:22

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

They have broadsword, battle axe, war mace, they're adding sheilds (don't shoot me on that, I don't know the exact details) So imho, why NOT add medieval pets?!?

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12/04/07 19:49

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They have broadsword, battle axe, war mace, they're adding sheilds (don't shoot me on that, I don't know the exact details) So imho, why NOT add medieval pets?!?

Aaaamen.

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12/05/07 00:51

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Well heres something i find relativly interesting, according to several sources ive checked over in my probably too much free time. Ninja's may neve actually have exsisted...

Tell that to April O'Neil after her father's old antique shop burned down!

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12/05/07 12:15

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

When people begin to say stuff like "Knights and Paladins are good guys," it makes me happy, because I can finally use some history here. Back in the Middle Ages, the governments were run by two systems. One of those systems was feudalism. Now, for anyone who doesn't know, Feudalism is when a person is allowed land in exchange for military service. If these knights are following along this trend, then it would be perfectly acceptable for them to be any type of knight, if said MM was considered a "Feudal Lord."

A little late I know...but still

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12/05/07 13:39

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Well heres something i find relativly interesting, according to several sources ive checked over in my probably too much free time. Ninja's may never actually have exsisted...

Tell that to April O'Neil after her father's old antique shop burned down!

Bring me april and the turtles and ill give them the scoop!

Anyways

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Never to late to pitch in some history, not while im around. Knights sort of served as part of the social structure, mostly nobles or the rank below, but above barons (owners of large amounts of land, usually profitable salesmen back in the day). Knights were loyal to the king and thus were forseen as good and defenders of justice due to the addition of the code of chivalry.

Funny how much discussion this has sparked up, mainly my fault i would suppose

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12/05/07 13:49

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Funny how much discussion this has sparked up, mainly my fault i would suppose

Indeed. All in favor of making Hell pay for what he has done here by stabbing him with an explosion and then harvesting his brain for knowledge say "Aye!"

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12/05/07 21:37

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

Aye.

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12/06/07 09:06

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

Hah, my brain has much historical knowledge (and geographical too)... AND ITS MINE!!!

Anything else that might require me to write a mini essay at all?

12/06/07 15:17

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

aye.

i was wondering what you thought about the mummies they found in south america with bronze tools that pre-date the chinese by almost 800 years.....? because the chinese were thought to have been the first to use bronze tools.

12/06/07 15:36

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Aye!!

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12/06/07 18:29

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Hmmm. That seems to be the majority.

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12/06/07 18:49

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Just think Hell's with the arrival of issue 11 and the Ourobos system you can flashback to a time before you started this and avoid an untimely demise...

Then we can go back and prevent you from preventing it!

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12/06/07 19:14

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

No loophole will destroy me, i will simply go back and forcemyself to create this loophole like i did the first 28,000 times before in the multiple paralell universes.

Anyways

Intersesting point there Dy, i've been looking for something interesting to do some research on and probably write a pointless 6 page essay about.

Just remember, 'history is but a confused jumble of facts' but i set them straight 8-)

12/07/07 15:14

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No loophole will destroy me, i will simply go back and forcemyself to create this loophole like i did the first 28,000 times before in the multiple paralell universes.

*stabs you* There, done.

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He likes his Scrappers
But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
Those PvP'ers die in the large

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12/07/07 15:23

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No loophole will destroy me, i will simply go back and forcemyself to create this loophole like i did the first 28,000 times before in the multiple paralell universes.

*stabs you* There, done.

lawl, if only it was that easy. =D

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12/07/07 18:16

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No loophole will destroy me, i will simply go back and forcemyself to create this loophole like i did the first 28,000 times before in the multiple paralell universes.

*stabs you* There, done.

lawl, if only it was that easy. =D

It is when the stabbing happens via tele-explosion. The trick is triangulating the exact location of the target. After that it's as simple as tearing the fabric of space (try not to tear any time though because that'll just throw everything off) and calculating an exact trajectory through the vortex that will send the explosion to our previously triangulated position. After the launch physics handles the rest. See, easy as 3.14159.

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12/07/07 20:37

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And that's exactly what I did.

I think.

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He likes his Scrappers
But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
Those PvP'ers die in the large

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12/08/07 01:57

Hellmeister

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RE: New Set Idea: Medieval (MM Pets)

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And that's exactly what I did.

I think.

I do so hate to inform you but on average i watch less then an hours television per week, a tele expolsion wont do me in :P

Neither will letter bombs my dog will eat them :)

12/08/07 13:56

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