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everdream

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"Unimpressed" with screenshots lately?

from this submission here.

look, how about rather than complain or be negative about a screen shot or how the admins are or aren't screening them "to your standards", why isn't anyone contacting us with your concerns, or do people just like to complain mindlessly?

if it's been going on for 'so long' talk to an admin in private (one that's responsible for the section you are concerned about), try to make a difference then. whining about someone's shot in the comment box isn't going to progress anything, it's just going to make that user not want to submit a shot again because it's not appreciated for what it is.

now, i know before anyone commented, you checked to see that the users history and figured out they are amused by specific numbers and think that it's special look here for that answer and is also amused by little quirks in the game look here. but you didn't, because that would be too timely, which is why you're not doing it, but some people are.

12/12/07 23:49

Mordakaida

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I have seen a lot of screen shots with so many million exp or so much this or that or funny scene but with what those people said was very rude. To the poster of the screenshot, to the admin who allowed it and to everyone else.

The screen shot thing is for everyone not just what those posters never seen before or what you think is awsome.

12/13/07 00:00

TheBeano

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Here, here, ED! Well put!

12/13/07 00:49

Shuuga Da Bleeah

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0 PMs so far...fwiw i like anything that has 1337 in it, yes, it coulda bene cooler if it was some how synced with 1.337mil exp or something, but the armor looked cool with the glasses imo, there was also quite a bit of info about the player's skillbar(s) and the heroes he/she plays with too to make it a unique glimps at another players' take on the game.

trust me, there are plenty submissions that do not get approved due to just duplication alone.
if you see one I/we miss, link to it in the comments or PM me, please don't be negative.

ty

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12/13/07 00:50

Aztec2250

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hey all. I suppose i should say something for myself here.

apologies to anyone who found the original screenie boring, but as Everdream said, i'd run thru the mission and had that number, thought it was amusing and so decided to upload it.

i guess from my point of view If you're not interested in the pic, just dont respond. There's plenty else to look about on this site, not eveeryone has to reply to everything. I dont mind if i dont have a million comments below it, i'm not looking to start a philosophical debate about it, just to share with the Community.

This wont put me off posting screenshots, and all i can say is that i cannot please everyone. But please dont take that to mean, 'he's just gonna post crap from now on', because i've always tried to post things that are humorous or unique to me.

Aztec's Final Thought :)

It will forever become more and more difficult to post something truly original, as the game has been round for so long now. And as views, and scenery become more mundane than that first amazing time we saw them, its personal accomplishments that become the mainstay of submitted screens, one user might find that having a green drop for them, or getting a certain amount of XP is just as worthy as someone who has filled their HoM. It's all a matter or opinion, and as an online community, we should at least respect that.

12/13/07 05:09

BobDown

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I guess people just have to realise that, just because they aren't amused by something, it doesn't mean other people won't be. There really is no point in posting if you don't like someone else's image...no one cares. I agree that, if something needs to be said, then it should be done so via pm...but how can a screen shot like that offend people to the point that they need to post negative comments...?

If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all.

12/13/07 05:48

Corruplt Intrept

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If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all.

I love this kind of sentences. so, i can't say "anything nice", thus is won't say "anything at all"(joke! hahahahaha)

Everything is nothing. erm, srsly, if you don't lyk a screenshot, just don't click on it. AT ALL. thats the best solution and allows you to avoid typing any ludicrous comments.

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12/13/07 06:24

Andemius

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I'm all for 'free posting' but I was amazed by the Master of Damage screens a while ago, 1, maybe. 3 in the same recent screenshots bar, not good.

Meh, I'm not too bothered about uninteresting screenshots, I just don't bother looking if I don't think I'll like it.

12/13/07 06:45

Beadmiester General

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i dont really care what is posted. if people dont like them then DONT look at them that way it save mass arguments and moaning "6" year olds

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12/13/07 07:23

Xaviak

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Hehe, good to know that there's atleast some carebears left on GA besides me. :)

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12/13/07 07:59

Drucila

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When the game has been around as long as GW you are bound to have people that have seen it before and or posted it before, I had this same problem when I started working as an admin over at the WoW site. But, there are people newer to the game or that may find something interesting and want to share it. The GW screenshot gallery is HUGE and there is no way for an admin to know EVERYTHING that is in there, so get over it.

With that said, being rude to them is NOT acceptable. EVER. Dissenting on an opinion in the forums is one thing, blatently being rude to someone because you don't like their screenshot is quite another.

We have figured out that some of you are not mature enough to handle the credibility system, do we now have to look at taking away comments on screenshots as well? I mean seriously I thought people on GW GameAmp were better than this...this site had always been looked at as one of our best sites but being rude asshats is not the way to represent yourself or the community. If you dont like the screenshot think of an original argument and respectfully state it. Otherwise hush.

I am tired of the words \"EPIC FAIL\" and for people that continue to insult admins in this way you will be suspended from the forums, it is disrespectful to others. Using it in a joking way is one thing, or using it as part of an overall comment with a POINT. But many of you just put it as your only comment and it is annoying, wrong and disrespectful.

Laid back forum admins does NOT equal you can be rude.

Drucila

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12/13/07 09:03

Deathaxe

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I don't mind these screens at all; I like to watch details as well. The only thing I hate is the 200 screens thing at halloween and wintersday, blah blah, etc.

12/13/07 09:05

mginn82

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I am tired of the words \"EPIC FAIL\" and for people that continue to insult admins in this way you will be suspended from the forums, it is disrespectful to others. Using it in a joking way is one thing, or using it as part of an overall comment with a POINT. But many of you just put it as your only comment and it is annoying, wrong and disrespectful.

Laid back forum admins does NOT equal you can be rude.

Drucila

Whoa! Check out Dru laying down the law! She is the lawgiver!

I'm so glad the admins are really starting to crack down on this rash of immaturity/rudeness that is creeping into GWAmp. I've been growing more and more disheartened these last few months with the increasing amount of negativity on this site.

Thanks Dru you've given me a glimmer of hope! I love this place and I'm not going anywhere but the negativity has really been starting to get to me. :(

12/13/07 09:41

XMegidoX

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This is epic fail :p

The only screenshot ive ever posted is a bug in the game a short while after EotN was released. The way i see it is, if ive seen something, chances are a lot of other people have.

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s**t, meg doesnt approve...it blows

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12/13/07 10:12

omfg rank ten guy

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ppl cn be polite to ea, so why not o internet.

I know every1 is gonna epic fail me now Q.Q

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Thats good advice for anyone...no one likes being pushed...someone might fall!

12/13/07 10:50

retro77

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I want to see more screenshots of Pre-Searing and every title accomplishment and every funny momment. Why? Because it reminds me of when I went through that area for the first time as well. Also I want to be able to post my accomplishments.

Good times and good memories.

After 2 years, I'm still not KoABD on any of my characters. It might be because I like to play different ones and not focus on just one character/class. Now I am sick of my ele at 3/5 on the KoABD title track.

Some people need to take a lesson or two from Thumper. And if you're too young to know what that is, watch the original Bambi movie.

12/13/07 11:11

Xaviak

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LoL, The first time you entered Pre searing after creating your first character = Epic Feeling.

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12/13/07 11:18

maddog199

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people can be polite to eachother, so why not on the internet.

I know every1 is gonna epic fail me now Q.Q

Missing a few letters their... (sorry if this feels like nagging I'm just a bith presice on words now a day's.)
They'll get suspended, 'cause you're speaking the truth.

Last couple of Rant's have been way out of hand and then their are some reply's on Topics which are just asking for a little support from the Community.

A community is a social group of organisms sharing an environment, normally with shared interests. In human communities, intent, belief, resources, preferences, needs, risks and a number of other conditions may be present and common, affecting the identity of the participants and their degree of cohesiveness.

Here's a reminder what a Community is... Why we are all here/were drawn to here.

12/13/07 11:32

jaffar_al_kahyet

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people can be polite to eachother, so why not on the internet.

I know every1 is gonna epic fail me now Q.Q

sorry had to do that :P

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12/13/07 12:41

words can heal 110

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I think you should be able to post what you want so long as its positive. Yes, a lot of these pictures have been seen many times before, but people are starting playing Guild Wars every day, lets give them a nice warm welcome, this will encourage them to be a friendly, helpful person in game.

And yes it is good to see admins trying to crack down on the poor, negative individuals who rant and rave at everything they see, purely because they have seen a topic similar before, please restore AMP back to its communily (
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Edit: what happened to my post, cant see all of it, paragraph missing. can anyone fix it?

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12/13/07 13:17

everdream

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Hehe, good to know that there's atleast some carebears left on GA besides me. :)

hah, yea.

sometimes i think people are quite shortsighted or something. not sure what, maybe they're just naturally jerks.

i want the gameamp community to grow and for everyone, even ranters to be happy. ie: rant and rave section.

there's a place to be frustrated at things that go on in game, on site or in real life and that's the Rant and Rave section... not peoples' submissions, particularly screenshots and guides.

what shocks me the most is there wasn't a single PM to any of the current admins about people's disatisfaction with the screenshot section. c'mon people, speak up!

but anyway, glad most people support and have an understanding of why shots are approved, etc. and have a grasp that there are new players coming to this game and some players with screenshot fetishes in certain topics and criteria.

if it passes our criteria, it's good enough to be viewed by any guest that might be cruising the site along with registered members and that's all that matters.

after all, we're trying to grow as a site, and with GW2 on the horizon, guildwars@gameamp will be the critical predecessor to the GW2 section of the GW.GA site.

All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

12/13/07 23:29

GStricto

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I was one of the people to post on that particular screen shot and I can man up and support my views of why the site seems to be degrading in quality.

I have been on the Guild Wars section of Game Amp for quite some time. You can check my profile or whatever. There has always been a bit of a... how do I put it? Child-ish quality to these forums. There is a lot of misinformation put out there by admins and regulars alike. I haven't really been a heavy poster in nearly a year because I would open a thread and want to gouge out my eyes at the amount of completely made up garbage people talk about.

You can see in my recent posts, they've nearly all been to correct some glaringly obvious mistakes someone has made in mechanics of the game.

Go read posts by Nihil or myself. Excepting certain occasions, there was a higher quality to these forums a year ago. It seems that the downhill slide started about the time Evil Geek resigned. Not to say that he kept things great or that the current admins aren't competent, but there are OBVIOUS things that need to be changed.

In no particular order:
- Screenshots should be interesting in some sense... Not like the picture a few months ago that was a black dyed whatever on a black background and a caption that says: "idk why i posted, just was a lot of blk"... These sorts of screens help nothing. Accomplishments are fine, I can ignore those. The particular screen I commented on, it looked like nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at credit. (More on credit later.)

- Screenshot comments should have an edit. How long has this been asked for? Why isn't it done?

- Guides need to be more in depth, more pictures, more details, more ORGANIZATION and STRUCTURE. A page of text with no line breaks or paragraphs is just painful to read. Often some of these guides are a direct copy and paste. The recent ultimate sin guide was an example of a great guide. The Boreas Seabed run was another good one. Keep them to THAT quality or kick them out and it would be an awesome resource. We don't need a 50th variation guide on a 55 monk.

- Articles should be just that. NOT stories. If people want to write about fan-fiction, give them a sub forum. The articles should be well thought-out discussions of a particular area of the game, not the place where stuff gets put just because it was written. Guides should act as a crash-course to something. Articles should get extremely in-depth for experience players or newbies that want some hardcore exposure to the inner workings and mechanics.

- Public review and vetting of guides and articles. Should be self explanatory so things like a 1 HP MM don't find their way into a section that people actually follow.

- Stop the campaign on flaming and sig sizes, start a campaign on QUALITY. Respect of game knowledge of a member should prevent most flames. The point is to learn about the game, if there are issues to be handled, take it to the side, don't make it a public police job, put that responsibility on the admins.

- Collapse the sub-forums and merge old posts into categories that actually matter. Do we really need to sort posts by campaign or class? No. At best have a General Discussion, a PVP discussion, a PVE discussion, and a trade forum.

- VERY STRONGLY CONSIDER removing links to elite skills, items, armor , etc. There are numerous errors and in all honesty, we should be directing more people to the official wiki where data and information is up to date and maintained by thousands instead of a concerned handful here that can't dedicate the time required.

- Remove credit. The system is lost. I think it's obvious to most people. Good ideas aren't rewarded like they should be, hell, I might even get a -10 from a few people for putting myself out here like this. Nobody pays attention to it because it isn't an accurate representation of what a person really knows. Someone with 100 screenshots of a wall could have more credit than I do and never have really played the game, just uploaded his friend's image folder.

I urge the admins to take this post and dissect it to no end and seriously discuss some of the points I've made. I have no idea what they're all up to on the back end, but I can surely say that on the front end they seem to be resting on their laurels instead of making a difference here.

*edit* Lolz, my bullet points needed some paragraph spacing upon further review.

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12/14/07 01:27

omfg rank ten guy

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people can be polite to eachother, so why not on the internet.

I know every1 is gonna epic fail me now Q.Q

sorry had to do that :P

hey! thats not nice, i know i'm a typo lately Q.Q
u try typing fast here when u r in school and have match class :/

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and NEVER push her

Thats good advice for anyone...no one likes being pushed...someone might fall!

12/14/07 04:39

maddog199

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hey! thats not nice, i know i'm a typo lately Q.Q
u try typing fast here when u r in school and have match class :/

I don't have that luxury, I actually have to pay attention!! ='[

On-topic: this is going rather well, alot of different views and yet no flaming. Awsome!

12/14/07 05:13

johny bravo

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Well I have been on Gameamp for a decent amount of time so I feel like I can safely make some comments here.

The screenshot galleries are to allow people to post interesting pictures of all sorts of things from easter eggs, to accomplishments. The post of a screenshot with 1337 gold is at least slightly amusing especially if it was as he said accidental.

As for those saying the screenshots of late have been boring and repeats think about it. This game has been out for quite some time now, people who have been playing the whole time have seen just about everything there is to see but how about the new people. Just because you have seen a screenshot before doesn't mean someone else has. I am personally not going to go through the whole gallery just to see whats been posted before I post, I shouldn't have too and the admins shouldn't have to either. I would hope they have more productive unique and never been posted before.

Also I have noticed that in most cases it is the same people with the negative comments. To be more specific it is the same people, with the same negative comments who contribute nothing productive to the site that tend to be the worst. Like someone designated them the Screenshot critic. If you don't like it hit your back button.

The Gameamp community is a friendly and helpful place and people who feel that they are the end all and be all to what is WORTHY to be on Gameamp only drag us down.

As for comments that the site is going downhill because the post are not as informative as they used to be, that is somewhat expected. When a new campaign comes out there is a rush of "i need help", "what do I do", and "where do I find" posts. As things settle down there are less of those posts and more off-topic posts. The thing is the same people who complain that there are too many off-topic post and not enough GW related posts are the same people who gripe about the same topics, pictures, questions being posted over and over. Think about the SS gallery if NO doubles were allowed, I bet you it would be pretty small.

OK I am done for now. Have a nice day :)

12/14/07 08:24

Drucila

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I was one of the people to post on that particular screen shot and I can man up and support my views of why the site seems to be degrading in quality.

This entire post goes down to people that think they know what the heck is going on here that TOTALLY do not.

We cant control if someone posts the wrong information, other people should post the correct information and let them know they are wrong. Almost every single admin is new since the time of EG, the ones that were here under him and shortly after him have left. We are aware of the site not being up to date and are working on it. I am sorry that previous site managers did not feel the need to focus on updating the information as they should have, but Kanna is doing a VERY good job of heading up updating and it is getting done.

I agree that screenshots in the past have been approved without notice, we are working on this yet again and Shuuga de Bleeha is in charge of them now. He is not approving as many as he does approve per day. And if you dont find them interesting it does not mean someone else will not.

Screenshot comments - yeah people have been asking for it but it will not be implimented and whoever told you that it would is full of crap. It is not done because it won't be done.

Guides - there is a CLEAR rule for guide organization and stucture. There has been for quite some time now and Mriswith wrote a huge post about it on how to write a guide. If you dont like her post then maybe you should make a new one. The guides are NOT copy and pasted, each one is written originally when it was posted, if other sites copy ours then so be it. But dont suggest they are because the Admins check each and every one for plagerism. As for variations, if they are viable and original they will be approved if they are formatted correctly. Just because you dont find it helpful does not mean someone else wont as well.

Articles - There is a SPECIFIC FAN FICTION area for these. If you dont want to read fan fiction then dont read that section. Articles will remain the same, period.

Sig Sizes - If you bothered to pay attention recently the campaign on sig sizes left as soon as Keo left. As for the campaign on flaming that has changed since I took over as network manager last summer. The site is much more laid back, we have rant and rave back and unless a Sig is offensive it has NOT been deleted...so at least pay attention before your criticize. Also it has always been the job of an admin and there is not a public police. Those who think they are public police should stop because we dont even pay attention to it. It is an admin decision and no one else's.

Also if you paid attention the Forums were reworked over a month ago. There are some sub-forums that have yet to be moved because our devs are busy with other things. It will get done when they time. And YES we do need class forums. The forums will not be broken down anymore that would be a disservice to the community.

Removing Links - You will notice that many things have been updated recently - again pay attention.

Credibility - Credibility gets you discounts at the gameamp shop as well as shows the people that contribute most to the community. Just because you think you have a good idea and didn't get credit for it doesnt mean that many others havent. People can think of it as a joke if they like but there are just as many out there that respect it. EVERY forum has a rank system that is a decent public forum. This will not change. While we might get rid of negative credibility the overall system will not be changed. You get 5 times more credit for guides than screenshots so someone wants to prove they know the game then submit a guide, submit an article. Write somethign useful on the forums and you get credit for that we have a LOT of people that rate posts...DO something and stop complaining about screenshots.

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I urge the admins to take this post and dissect it to no end and seriously discuss some of the points I've made. I have no idea what they're all up to on the back end, but I can surely say that on the front end they seem to be resting on their laurels instead of making a difference here.

To this in paticular you are full of it. I have NEVER stood back and rested on my laurels, I lay down the law as an above poster said. You OBVIOUSLY have not been around lately or if you have, you have not paid attention to much because things have changed around here and continue to change and that remark is insulting to the admins who are putting in a lot of time and energy right now.

That is all I have to say about this

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12/14/07 10:41

GStricto

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Ah, great. Instead of really addressing the issues and suggestions, I get an overly defensive response that borders on flaming. GG I guess.

12/15/07 03:18

Mordakaida

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Ah, great. Instead of really addressing the issues and suggestions, I get an overly defensive response that borders on flaming. GG I guess.

And what is that issue?

Not everyone on GameAmp or the Internet has seen everything. Not everyone has been on the net for years to see every screenshot. Personally I think they should accept every screenshot unless you can see the exact same one a few days ago.

I don't know how many times I have seen omg I just owned glint pictures or people posing in front of this or that. So what, just ignore them like most of the people on here.

Previous staff members would have banned you for being outright rude instead of pming them and bringing something to their attention. Lucky for you that there are some mods that have more of a gentle hand when it comes to things.

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12/15/07 03:43

Wyat_hawke

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I was one of the people to post on that particular screen shot and I can man up and support my views of why the site seems to be degrading in quality.
First of all, thanks for being honest and speaking up for yourself.
I have been on the Guild Wars section of Game Amp for quite some time. You can check my profile or whatever. There has always been a bit of a... how do I put it? Child-ish quality to these forums. There is a lot of misinformation put out there by admins and regulars alike. I haven't really been a heavy poster in nearly a year because I would open a thread and want to gouge out my eyes at the amount of completely made up garbage people talk about.

I agree slightly. GA has always been quite more laidback then most other forums, like Guru or QQ. It is somehow the strength, and at the same time its weakness. However, when you say there's a lot if misinformation going around, I'm not totally agreeing, what would you define as misinformation? People saying that +30hp mods will always be better than +5arm, or do you mean stupid off-topic posts?

You can see in my recent posts, they've nearly all been to correct some glaringly obvious mistakes someone has made in mechanics of the game.
Your last post in another topic said that \"this thread is fail\". Is that what you consider correcting? The thread itself was, at least close to what you said, but I would like you to try and give some more arguments to back up your claims. The thread is fail, why? (in that thread, it was quite obvious what was the problem...). Your \"corrections\" i guess can be seemed quite rude by others, you might want to tone down your language.

Go read posts by Nihil or myself. Excepting certain occasions, there was a higher quality to these forums a year ago. It seems that the downhill slide started about the time Evil Geek resigned. Not to say that he kept things great or that the current admins aren't competent, but there are OBVIOUS things that need to be changed.

Again, thanks for making suggestions ^_^

In no particular order:
- Screenshots should be interesting in some sense... Not like the picture a few months ago that was a black dyed whatever on a black background and a caption that says: "idk why i posted, just was a lot of blk"... These sorts of screens help nothing. Accomplishments are fine, I can ignore those. The particular screen I commented on, it looked like nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at credit. (More on credit later.)

- Screenshot comments should have an edit. How long has this been asked for? Why isn't it done?

The screenshots isn't really my area, but I can tell you as much as due to this forums structure, it is apparently almost impossible to implement an edit button.

- Guides need to be more in depth, more pictures, more details, more ORGANIZATION and STRUCTURE. A page of text with no line breaks or paragraphs is just painful to read. Often some of these guides are a direct copy and paste. The recent ultimate sin guide was an example of a great guide. The Boreas Seabed run was another good one. Keep them to THAT quality or kick them out and it would be an awesome resource. We don't need a 50th variation guide on a 55 monk.

At the moment I am the one in charge of reviewing the guides, so I feel I can comment here. I think it's a double-edged argument, since you guys only see the guides that gets approved. If you'd have any ideaof the amount of junk we've had to decline every +/- 3 days, you'd be amazed.

While we have an enormous amount of guides getting submitted, the guides submitted recently that have been good is minimal, at best. Tbh, a lot fewer people write guides nowadays, and since most stuff have already been written about, it tend to end up in build guides, which is sad. People aren't anymore that inclined to write up guides like before, and I'm afraid I don't know why. But the main problem seems to be that the more experienced core of GW doesn't even bother trying to educate the newbs. Like you said yourself, you only post when you try to correct some really big, muffin-off huge mistake by a poster. A lot of other experienced players think the same, and therefore we don't see that many new guides coming along. I hereby urge you, and the other players with more experience, to take off your leather gloves and start typing again. Perhaps another comparison of different suffixes n' such?

- Articles should be just that. NOT stories. If people want to write about fan-fiction, give them a sub forum. The articles should be well thought-out discussions of a particular area of the game, not the place where stuff gets put just because it was written. Guides should act as a crash-course to something. Articles should get extremely in-depth for experience players or newbies that want some hardcore exposure to the inner workings and mechanics.

The articles do actually, as far as I remember (which isn't very long, so please correct me if not) have their own area called fan-fiction. Surprisingly enough, a lot of people read all those stories, so I hardly think they are going to get kicked out. In-depth articles like you want, usually gets posted in the guide section (heck, even you used to do that =P )

- Public review and vetting of guides and articles. Should be self explanatory so things like a 1 HP MM don't find their way into a section that people actually follow.

Right now it's I, and Skittle Cody who's in charge of reviewing the guides, and I must say, it isn't looking that bad when you review the latest 5 guides? I've only been around for slightly more than a month, but I think the standards have moved up a notch.

Also, ideas like that work in places like PvXWiki, but I do not know how they would work here. When a user submits their guides here, they do it because they know we won't go out public and compromise them by shouting \"OOMG LOOKATHANEWB!\", which is something I can reassure you would happen if all the guides went public before they could've been approved. You just simply have to see the type of guides we get in a 2 week stretch first, to realize why it isn't such a good idea from the start. However it could/would've been very nice to have a panel of trusted members helping out reviewing. That's an idea I'll make sure to give the other staffers, more people should work as a guarantee for only approving quality guides.

- Stop the campaign on flaming and sig sizes, start a campaign on QUALITY. Respect of game knowledge of a member should prevent most flames. The point is to learn about the game, if there are issues to be handled, take it to the side, don't make it a public police job, put that responsibility on the admins.

The campaign on flamers have been dead for some time. We do edit cursing and outright flames that do not correlate with the subject, but I think you'll find it a lot less stricter since Dru took more interest into this part of GA. We do however still edit sigs, but when have that been a problem? Surely, it's not that much og a huge nuisance? A campaign on quality would have been awesome, unfortunately you are under the perception that everyone here is a member of the Mensa organization, and we've all beeen playing GW for over 2 years. Just as in RL, we have different people, so I don't think I will ever (in my lifetime) see any more blunders and mistakes.

I think we should promote 2 different subjects for the 2 main classes of GA; The new members should be taught to ask questions in a polite manner and not be discouraged by answers saying their suggestion is awful, and experienced members should stop promoting stupid one-liners flaming the new people. It's a 2 way issue, try to take your time and explain stuff instead of just say he's stupid from the start. If the new poster won't take your advice to heart, at least you have tried...

- Collapse the sub-forums and merge old posts into categories that actually matter. Do we really need to sort posts by campaign or class? No. At best have a General Discussion, a PVP discussion, a PVE discussion, and a trade forum.

I don't think that is necessary, I'm fearing they might clump up a lot more then. Take a look at Guru, they've got even more sub-forums then we do o_O

- VERY STRONGLY CONSIDER removing links to elite skills, items, armor , etc. There are numerous errors and in all honesty, we should be directing more people to the official wiki where data and information is up to date and maintained by thousands instead of a concerned handful here that can't dedicate the time required.

Not my tea of cup, sorry

- Remove credit. The system is lost. I think it's obvious to most people. Good ideas aren't rewarded like they should be, hell, I might even get a -10 from a few people for putting myself out here like this. Nobody pays attention to it because it isn't an accurate representation of what a person really knows. Someone with 100 screenshots of a wall could have more credit than I do and never have really played the game, just uploaded his friend's image folder.

I'm torn on this issue, not exactly knowing how to respond. Your arguments are indeed very true, but I feel we should/could be able to keep it. I'd personally like to see the -cred function getting removed altogether, but I can see that there are times where it can come in handy. +cred have as you've said, been a joke for a pretty long time, but if you get +cred on a post, it shows someone likes your opinion. And I don't know about you, but I'm a sucker for admirers ^_^

But yeah, I'll also pass on a new topic on the staff forums about the cred system.

I urge the admins to take this post and dissect it to no end and seriously discuss some of the points I've made. I have no idea what they're all up to on the back end, but I can surely say that on the front end they seem to be resting on their laurels instead of making a difference here.

I really hope I've tried to do my best giving my opinion on your suggestions. Did I do good?

12/15/07 04:19

GStricto

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Thank you Wyat, that's how an admin should respond to things. I very much appreciate the feedback you gave me. Yes I know I'm jaded (being that Mensa member and 2 years player you spoke of :-P ) and I really do try to keep it in check. *insert generic excuse about crappy day and GF breaking up with me and all that stuff that sounds really cheesy but is actually true*

I may post back here after I've had some time to digest your points, but overall it really answered a lot of the more pressing issues.

12/15/07 22:15

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