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Im aware this site is probably nothing new to many of you, but I thought it would be a good starting point for a discussion.
http://www.mavav.org/
Ive read over quite a lot of the articles and cant really believe some of the garbage they are trying to get across as facts, but thats my opinion.
What I want to know is your opinion on the site and the topic at hand - "Do violent videogames promote real life violence?"
@Mods: if you think this topic needs to be locked, please do so.
@Everyone else: try to keep flaming down to a minimum, that doesn't mean you cant disagree with other people though.
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Belshazaarswrath
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I hate reading things written by, approved by, or agreeing with jack Thompson so I will skip that little piece of propaganda. Yea Whenever Jack Thompson forms an OPPINION about video games it's usually disprovable by simple logic.
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I'll try not to get mad, but they can go get a life, sorry but theres no way im gonna let me and fellow gamers get discriminated aganst because of video games.
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| 12/17/07 15:48 |
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Tha Golden Warrior
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ye...always blame it on the videogames...sigh.
they love to take the examples of those amok people who go on a frenzy in school with a gun, even though it depends on the person himself.
i've played fps and violent games such as manhunt and other shooters since i was like 8. and i've not killed anyone yet in rl o.O
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Belshazaarswrath
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Actually quite recently A game called saints row stopped me from hurting someone. I was really heated and bout to go to school and pummel some punk but I just killed a few pixels in a game and felt all better.
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Video games do not influence ppls decisions IRL. Anything that guy says is BS.
P.S. Moms need to quit their whining, its getting really old. First Drunk Driving, now this? These moms are taking all the fun away from life.
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...Ok that is an actual problem and it is NOT fun. that is fun like Russian roulette wit ha loaded gun...
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| 12/17/07 15:54 |
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Okay.
Video game violence only promotes real violence if you are:
An 11-year old kid
Retarded
Stupid
or bored.
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This is also why we have the ESRB.
Parents often DON'T read the labels. They read over them and them blame the games themselves, when they should be blamed.
If you child is of mental maturity, I think it is OK for them to play these games.
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| 12/17/07 15:59 |
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eh if video games spurred violence I would have killed half the city by now.
Even though a normal rational person may be unaffected by fantasy there maybe a collation between someone who is already down that path of violence but to blame Video Games/Movies as the cause is just outright stupid. You have to dig deeper to find the true reason why someone did violence but most of the time the cause is just the persons mental thinking is out of wack.
I use video games/Movies as a release for my anger. It certainly is not the cause of it. I have had to teach my nephew the difference between real life and fantasy. He now knows that what he sees on Grand Theft Auto is not real and he should never copy those actions or words. "he is 10 btw".
I remember growing up and watching the power rangers and teenager mutant ninja turtles. I do not know how many times I got yelled at because I knocked the lamp over doing high kicks in the living room. Kids imitate things they see but can be controlled by their parents. A nice little wack on my head stopped me from doing high kicks in living room. If the parents can control their kids then a lot of violence won't happen. My mom made us be in the house before the street lights turned on. She knew who our friends were, were we was going, when we would be back and hell be raising if we lied about any of it.
I go to wal-mart at about 3am for some cough medicine and I see 14-17 year old kids in the parking lot. No reason for them to be out, get your self in the house and into bed. "there is a curfew in my town all kids can not be out alone if past 11 unless supervised by a adult or school event"
It is not up to the government to discipline or teach kids how to behave it is the parents so go out and do your job before they turn into thugs.
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| 12/17/07 16:11 |
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Yeah this goes back to parents not doing there job. games dont kill people.
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| 12/17/07 16:12 |
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| QUOTE | Okay.
Video game violence only promotes real violence if you are:
An 11-year old kid
Retarded
Stupid
or bored.
EDIT:
This is also why we have the MSRB.
Parents often DON'T read the labels. They read over them and them blame the games themselves, when they should be blamed.
If you child is of mental maturity, I think it is OK for them to play these games. |
You mean the ESRB? lol
Anyways
I hate how they target stuff, we all know when ever there is a school shooting, or any death involved with a teenager/minor, theres ALWAYS a sniper shot at video games.
They make themselves sound so big and bad, you'd almost be afraid to even mention a game like Elmo's Spelling Adventure in front of them.
I feel bad that they lost a child, or loved one but they need to get their facts straight and stop scapegoating teenagers and videogames.
Look at their website.. with the Red circle line through the what looks like a ps2 controller.... OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
EDIT: I think this is probably a company fueled by the early 2000's when 5 year olds killed each other over pokemon cards.
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| 12/17/07 16:13 |
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I played GTA when i was like 10 or so, but i never killed anyone in my life (yet) :P
j/k, why dont we blame bread for instance, I mean, every kid that did a killing spree in his school or at the mall probarly ate bread that morning.
so stop bashing games, go bash some bread or something :P
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| 12/17/07 16:14 |
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| QUOTE | | and the most disturbing trend: clans and guilds, an underground video game phenomenon which closely resembles gangs. |
Yeah, me and my gaming-brothers like to hang out in the dark alleyways of Lion's Arch(Guild Wars) or Stormwind(WoW).
We deal in Holiday candy and alcohol, selling a stack for 50 gold. If someone comes onto our turf, we challenge em to PvP or gank them.
| QUOTE | | Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry. |
Not sure if I would consider Sam Fisher cute, huggable, or lovable.
Though, a comment had a better comeback for this.
| QUOTE | | Actually, this is the same strategy employed by EVERY industry. Not just gamers are at risk here. Anyone who has ever flushed a toilet better watch out, the Charmin Ultra Bears are out to brainwash YOU to buy their toilet tissue! |
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On a side note, some worthwhile reading on that site.
Go through the various areas and read the comments. Seems the only people who visit that site don't agree with it.
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| 12/17/07 16:18 |
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It's always one thing that causes violence or another. I remember seeing a video about how Power Rangers promotes violence and caused it, although it was ultimately proven that watching the show was NOT the cause of the violence. Blaming a video game for a school shooting is no different. Even if the video game was the cause for the violence, it should be the PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY to see that their child doesn't get the game.
LOL at Jack Thompson
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| QUOTE | | Yeah this goes back to parents not doing there job. games dont kill people. |
Parents aren't the only elements that cause kids to be violent if you think that is the only thing then you are just as ignorant as them.
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OK effing seriously. Im NOT gonna flame WoW for this or anyone that plays WoW but you HAVE GOT TO BE SERIOUS. What game is involved when you hear where people play for many many HOURS straight? WoW.
Sorry but WoW players are also being kinda good contributers when giving gamers a bad name.
| QUOTE | January 18, 2007
Gamer Plays 28 Hours Straight to Beat the Burning Crusade First
News of the world’s first level 70 character shocked the World of Warcraft community on Wednesday. Twenty-four year old French gamer by the alias Gawell played 28 frightening hours straight to beat the Burning Crusade expansion pack, a video game which experts predicted, “would take months to complete.”
Some gamers applauded such an achievement, while the disgruntled majority ridiculed Gawell as being a “loser” and having “no life.”
MAVAV has previously raised the threat level to red in preparation of the possible dangers, such as this, from the Burning Crusade expansion pack. This is a major concern for MAVAV, as Blizzard recently announced that the World of Warcraft surpassed 8 million players world wide. We urge all parents to be on high alert until further notice.
Related: Burning Crusade Gone Gold, Threat Level Red
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If you can link me some Articles that involve Guildwars.. and NOT Everquest or WoW You go ahead and let me know.
EDIT:| QUOTE | | Burning Crusade expansion pack, a video game which experts predicted, “would take months to complete.” |
LMAO and you know what? These experts ARENT GAMERS.
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| 12/17/07 16:29 |
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Yeah this goes back to parents not doing there job. games dont kill people.
Parents aren't the only elements that cause kids to be violent if you think that is the only thing then you are just as ignorant as them. |
parents and surrounding are the main ones imo
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| 12/17/07 16:31 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | QUOTE
Yeah this goes back to parents not doing there job. games dont kill people.
Parents aren't the only elements that cause kids to be violent if you think that is the only thing then you are just as ignorant as them. |
parents and surrounding are the main ones imo |
By surrounding you mean environment?
Usually someone taking such a drastic measure as violence it requires a couple things.
First there has to be a lack of communication between loved ones(Friends,Teachers,Family ect...). Then there needs to be some sort of catalyst for distress(bullying,relationship problems ect...). When there is a lack of communication generally the person feels trapped and seems to have no escape. As someones world seems to shrink they will see the need for drastic action and not necessarily see the consequences. Now in order to deal with the problem the person may use video games or what have you as an escape and the idiotic parent may see that as the only issue.
This is one common way a tragedy happens. Not necessarily the only one.
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| 12/17/07 16:38 |
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i rarly post anymore, but this caught my eye.
i know for a affect computers, internet, cell phones, all this new great and amazing technology affects kids in a way that is considered both good and bad.
ever hear your granpa say "in my days we never had this.." because they never reley on technology as advanced as it is today compared to what they had in there day..
children now have access to all these great technology at a low number of ages... (once again nothing negitive)
(btw im 15 year old)
but my main point is i never grew up with computers, and dsl internet and i tend to rely on it today, however i remember what i used to do without
the problem is kids these days rely on technology to much..
so your thinknig what does this have to do with video game violence???
Everything
Technology, internet, ect. is a gateway for things kids who are unable to handle maturity to see obscean things.
Cmon, remember the first time you accidently hit something and saw something nudy (porn) at a low number age...?
Today i tend to think kids are exposed to, too much video games and technology rather than real life.
heck my parents let me watch rated R movies at the age of 6 because they new i was responsible and i know not to repeat these bad words and violence (this was back when nudity wasnt really on rated R movies). However, they limited how much Tv i can watch along with video games.
i was facing real life rather than a "vitural world"
i remember watching the news and seeing violent crimes and being scared of it..Whereas i notice kids today think nothing of it....
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Today i try to stay away from vid. games and do other things like hang with friends, and do stupid things rather than video games. I think kids from this genreation and up releise that if you do something dumb then make sure its only you getting hurt (like dont involve anyone else rather than yourself getting harmed)..
Whereas kids today dont releize the difference between fact and fiction...
Read articals and hypnosis and NLP...For those of you who say vid. games has no affect of the violence on kids your wrong...Theres factors involved, such as the kids maturity...We tend to blame the kids stupidity for something they do stupid (for exampel the kid who drowned trying to find spongebob) and we right..we should blame them.
IN conclusion, for the most part As long as parents teach there childern the difference between real and fake, and exposing them to a taste of the cruel hard world of survival (bad tragities in the "real world") then the child should be more than qualified in the maturity of playing video games and knowing that guns kill real people...
its really all phycological...But yeh...im two faced on this subject...i think its a stupid idea and topic of how video games can screw up a kids mind, yet at the same time i wanna strangle the idiots who dont know the difference of a gun shooting a person and killing them than a gun in a game with respawns.......
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lemme just make my post clearer, cus i was in a hurry and unclear...
i blame the idiot childern who cant handle real life
i also blame the bitching parents who dont teach there childern crap..
both those equal a low percentage of a physco
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Ok, I skipped most of the thread and only read the original post. Sorry. :P
IMO normal people can understand the difference between a virtual world and the real world. You can't blame videogames, movies or any other media for the violence that goes on in real life. Individuals who commit acts of extreme violence usually have real mental problems, and you can't blame video games for that.
Is it just me or has anyone else ever noticed that when violence happens in 3rd world countries, they say it's because of the ill society. But when it happens in wealthy countries, it's NEVER society's fault. Always some media like video games or movies have to take the blame for it. O.o
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| 12/17/07 16:47 |
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one more thing manhunt 2 on wii is a little scary..
i mean physically taking a controlling and shooting, stabbing ripping them up is a little on the border line......
but once again if the child knows the difference then there really is no harm
for example i remebe playing grand theft auto when my lil cuzin was around (he was like 4 or 5) and he asked to play it...i didnt wanna seem like a jerk so i lowered the volum and let him play for a little...
after that i asked him just make sure he knows everything in this game is bad and that he was playing a evil bad guy. He understood, which is why i didnt fear him becoming a murder or a weirdo...
but what if a lil kid played manhunt on wii.... sure he may the difference but what if someone in school pissed this kid off and he went apeshit..theres always a what if, which is what parents will bitch about... so sad.
if a parent doesnt want there kids playing vid games, then why dont they throw away there ps2/ps3/xbox or whatever out the window?
its like hilary cliton runiing everything for us (gta) she was the start, along with all liberals trying to ban everything....
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In my oppinion parents, educators,... should create a more enjoyable and creative environment for children/youngsters/everyone instead of complaining about 'how video games make people violent'. It's easy to blame video games for everything.
What to do when your kids game for 7 hours straight (is addicted)?
a) Complain
b) Remove their game console/pc
c) DO something with them (yes, this means spending actual time with your children)
It's easier to blame something else instead of looking at yourself. It's time that these anti gamers become pro having fun with their children.
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It's pathetic that a 7 year old with common sense can disprove 99% of these peoples arguments.
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| QUOTE | | First Drunk Driving, now this? These moms are taking all the fun away from life. |
Drunk driving is fun,eh? My friend's brother's leg got amputed from the knee below because a drunk driver did a hit and run on him. They later caught the guy after he drove off the road in the city central. That piece of ship didn't even have to go to jail for it because he was a minor.
My friend's boyfriend drove off the road while driving drunk. Approx 150+ km/h speed, flew over 50 meters in the air and cut off the electric lines. Was found after three days, with a broken neck.
That's why I don't think minors shouldn't be handed out driver's licenses. They just don't get it that there's other people out there besides you. I don't give a ship if you want to risk your own life but you also risk others which is unaccectable.
-Sorry for hijacking the thread for a moral lecture.
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| 12/17/07 17:03 |
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i see that my drunk driving = fun comment has spurred some controversy, to all those who had loved ones/friends hurt in drunk driving, im sorry, it was just meant to be an erroneus (spelt wrong i know) comment to compliment the stupidity of the article.
DD =/= good.
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I bet MAVAV has caused more deaths than every video game combined. Jack Thompson has probably killed 5 times as many people as video games...alone.
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| QUOTE | | and the most disturbing trend: clans and guilds, an underground video game phenomenon which closely resembles gangs. |
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA O MY GOD THATS THE FUNIEST SHIT IVE HEARD ALL MONTH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA O MAN THIS SHIT IS HILARIOUS A FUCKIN GANG AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
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Man if any action is actually taken on this I am going to fight it with every inch of my being.
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| QUOTE | i see that my drunk driving = fun comment has spurred some controversy, to all those who had loved ones/friends hurt in drunk driving, im sorry, it was just meant to be an erroneus (spelt wrong i know) comment to compliment the stupidity of the article.
DD =/= good. |
Dont' take it personally. It's late here, am tired and when I'm tired I'm overly emo so don't apologize to me. xD
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