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-Leppis
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Found this on one site i was browsing. It's all true to be honest. Checked wikipedia.
If someone wondered it's the result of winter war between soviet union & finland during WWII.
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| 01/08/08 11:15 |
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Heh, that's pretty impressive.
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| 01/08/08 11:18 |
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Tha Golden Warrior
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LOL they probably used cheats >.>
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| 01/08/08 11:24 |
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Small detail:
The Finnish army had several defence lines and defences at critical area as well as mixed with the natural terrain of swamps and lakes.
They put up a nice resistance but never the less they have lost a great amount of terrain to the former Soviet Union.
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| QUOTE | Small detail:
The Finnish army had several defence lines and defences at critical area as well as mixed with the natural terrain of swamps and lakes.
They put up a nice resistance but never the less they have lost a great amount of terrain to the former Soviet Union. |
YEah, but come on.. at least we have our independence.
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| 01/08/08 11:36 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Small detail:
The Finnish army had several defence lines and defences at critical area as well as mixed with the natural terrain of swamps and lakes.
They put up a nice resistance but never the less they have lost a great amount of terrain to the former Soviet Union. |
YEah, but come on.. at least we have our independence. |
Most countries have their independence back considering their is no more Soviet Union.
Although you are right, you did okay. Keeping you're independence and stuff... ;]
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| 01/08/08 11:43 |
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damn, thats pretty impressive...probably running gimmick builds tho...tsk tsk tsk finland XD
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| 01/08/08 11:51 |
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They had Protective Spirit on...
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| 01/08/08 12:29 |
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bet you they ran blockway
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| 01/08/08 12:51 |
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Yah I heard Russia went for the 5/3 split be4 VoD but Finalnd's Flaggie kept the NPCs alive while the others got wiped at the flag stand and consequently the GL got downed.
GG Finland, gg.
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| 01/08/08 13:35 |
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chuck noris is from finland we have proof!!
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| 01/08/08 13:51 |
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Well Russia has heck of a lot of people so throwing them in the gog to stop it works for them. Finland would be more conservative on where and when to deploy troops which would most likely be able to get behind lines and capture more.
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There's a few things to note concering the wars between the Soviet Union and Finland:
a)The Soviet Union didn't come out with full force. It sent a small part of it's army to invade Finland since it was having war on more thanut one turf, one of them being against Germany.
b)You know why the day when Alliance won isn't celebrated like in most European countries, where it's an official celebration day (AFAIK)? 'Cos in the end, we allied with the Axis. If it wasn't for Germany's supply of weapons, armory (tanks, aircrafts,vehicles etc), food and other materials we would've lost. Many high med/high ranking officers went to Germany for training. And not too many know it, but Britain actually declared to be in war with Finland, but it never got anywhere since the was quite over at that point.
c) The reason why the SU casualties were that high was because they were underequipped, and didn't know how to fight in the Finnish enviroment. Fins used guerilla tactics (Snipers in trees blablaetc.) since SU troops were an extremeley easy target. They didn't have any camouflage, they had a normal Brown/gray uniform on, which was not designed for winter combat. It wasn't warm and in a snowy surrounding easily detectable.
but there's also some high points:
d) Finland never took the Marshall-Aid that the U.S sent to Europe, due to the pressure from the SU.
e) Finland was the only country to fully pay their war debts after WW II.
f) Dunno if it has anything to do with WW II or fear against the Easter bear, but Finland is one of the few wellfare countries to have an army of it's own, not a paid one. (Military service is mandatory here).
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The reason why Finland allied with the Axis in the end was because we couldn't get help against the SU attack from anywhere else. During the war, Britain offered to send troops and supplies, but it failed because the aid would've had to come through Sweden, which declined to let them go through their territory since they were neutral. Oddly enough they still sold coal and such to Germany. O.o
Especially in the Northern parts of Finland, there's just as great hatred for the Nazis as there was/were for the SU because when we signed the peace treaty with SU, they made a rule that forced Finland to get rid of ALL Nazi soldiers currently in Finland. This lead to Finland's "Fake War", where Nazis were forced to evacuate through Northern parts of Finland. In the process, the Nazi troops burnt down everything behind them, from bridges, food supplies, fields to towns. So, not that much love for the right wing either. :P
Quite irrelevant but meh, a free history lesson. Not sure if it's 100% correct though. :P
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this has nothing to do with any of this:
Yes, and that's why I edit it for the second time. This is the last warning, do not even try and attempt to edit an edit made by a staffer.
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| 01/08/08 15:12 |
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They TOTALLY ran Iway.
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| 01/08/08 16:59 |
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The Soviet Union has always fought battles that way, they have more people than the other country, so they just send them all in hoping to overwhelm their adversary. I learned in history in high school, don't remember which world war it was, but in one of them, the soviets had about half as many guns as they had soldiers, so half of them were issued guns, the other half were issued spare ammo and told to pick up the guns off the other guys when they died. They have never really cared about casualties, only that they accomplish what they set out to.
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| 01/08/08 17:06 |
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| QUOTE | | The Soviet Union has always fought battles that way, they have more people than the other country, so they just send them all in hoping to overwhelm their adversary. I learned in history in high school, don't remember which world war it was, but in one of them, the soviets had about half as many guns as they had soldiers, so half of them were issued guns, the other half were issued spare ammo and told to pick up the guns off the other guys when they died. They have never really cared about casualties, only that they accomplish what they set out to. |
That's Call of Duty 2..... Naw just kidding. :P
Yea, as far as I know that's correct. And another thing they did was that they shot anyone who tried fall back if the order hadn't been given. Or it's just a rumor, don't know.
But we had the same sort of problems. Not so major that we'd have to send people into war without guns and ammo. :P
But we looted soviet tanks, which are still used in our independence day parade. And we also came up with the Molotov Coctail since we couldn't afford or didn't have any better anti-tank weaponry. What a poor bunch. :P
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| 01/09/08 10:30 |
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| QUOTE | There's a few things to note concering the wars between the Soviet Union and Finland:
a)The Soviet Union didn't come out with full force. It sent a small part of it's army to invade Finland since it was having war on more thanut one turf, one of them being against Germany.
Not sure if it's 100% correct though. :P
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It's not...haven't checked any beyond this one. But this is not true at all.
Russia and Germany were not at war during 39-40. In fact on 01/10/1941 Germany and the Soviet Union sign a fresh treaty, which recognises their existing spheres of influence and affirms current trade agreements.
Then on 06/14/1941 Hitler meets with his top generals to discuss matters concerning the upcoming campaign against the Soviet Union. The 'Lucy' spy ring passes information to the Soviet Union, detailing the start date for a German attack as the 22nd June.
Finally on 06/22/1941 Just after midnight the Red Army is given orders to come to combat readiness, although they were still not allowed to occupy battle positions. At 3:15am, Operation 'Barbarossa' [View Battle Plan] begins with German and Axis forces comprising 183 divisions (3,500,000 men), 3,350 tanks, 7,184 guns and 1,945 aircraft launching the biggest military operation in history on an 1,800-mile front from 'Finland to the Black Sea'. Three Army Groups supported by powerful Panzer armies and Luftwaffe bomber fleets, Army Group South (von Rundstedt) with Panzer Group 1 (von Kleist), Army Group Centre (von Bock) with Panzer Groups 2 (Guderian) and 3 (Hoth), and Army Group North (von Leeb) with Panzer Group 4 (Hoepner), go into action against 132 Soviet divisions (2,500,000 men), 20,000 tanks and 7,700 aircraft. The overall objective of the campaign is to destroy the Soviet forces in western Russia by the Autumn and to occupy the European part of the Soviet Union up to the line Archangel - Urals - Volga - Astrakhan. By the end of the first day, the Luftwaffe had destroyed 800 Soviet aircraft on the ground at 60 airfields and 400 in the air. The Red Army along the border seemed unprepared for the assault and offered only limited resistance, which allows the Panzer divisions to advance up to 50 miles and maul 12 Soviet divisions.
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http://www.worldwar-2.net/index.htm
I can check the rest of your info if you would like. But the simple fact is Russia underestimated them and got smoked.
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have been reading about this in school so many times...
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| 01/09/08 10:47 |
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| QUOTE | There's a few things to note concering the wars between the Soviet Union and Finland:
a)The Soviet Union didn't come out with full force. It sent a small part of it's army to invade Finland since it was having war on more thanut one turf, one of them being against Germany.
b)You know why the day when Alliance won isn't celebrated like in most European countries, where it's an official celebration day (AFAIK)? 'Cos in the end, we allied with the Axis. If it wasn't for Germany's supply of weapons, armory (tanks, aircrafts,vehicles etc), food and other materials we would've lost. Many high med/high ranking officers went to Germany for training. And not too many know it, but Britain actually declared to be in war with Finland, but it never got anywhere since the was quite over at that point.
c) The reason why the SU casualties were that high was because they were underequipped, and didn't know how to fight in the Finnish enviroment. Fins used guerilla tactics (Snipers in trees blablaetc.) since SU troops were an extremeley easy target. They didn't have any camouflage, they had a normal Brown/gray uniform on, which was not designed for winter combat. It wasn't warm and in a snowy surrounding easily detectable.
but there's also some high points:
d) Finland never took the Marshall-Aid that the U.S sent to Europe, due to the pressure from the SU.
e) Finland was the only country to fully pay their war debts after WW II.
f) Dunno if it has anything to do with WW II or fear against the Easter bear, but Finland is one of the few wellfare countries to have an army of it's own, not a paid one. (Military service is mandatory here).
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The reason why Finland allied with the Axis in the end was because we couldn't get help against the SU attack from anywhere else. During the war, Britain offered to send troops and supplies, but it failed because the aid would've had to come through Sweden, which declined to let them go through their territory since they were neutral. Oddly enough they still sold coal and such to Germany. O.o
Especially in the Northern parts of Finland, there's just as great hatred for the Nazis as there was/were for the SU because when we signed the peace treaty with SU, they made a rule that forced Finland to get rid of ALL Nazi soldiers currently in Finland. This lead to Finland's "Fake War", where Nazis were forced to evacuate through Northern parts of Finland. In the process, the Nazi troops burnt down everything behind them, from bridges, food supplies, fields to towns. So, not that much love for the right wing either. :P
Quite irrelevant but meh, a free history lesson. Not sure if it's 100% correct though. :P
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Well, actually germans were not helping finland during winter war.. we were alone fighting against russia. We would have gotten help from the allied, but goverment of finland thought it was too late to ask help, it would have never gotten in time. We asked help from sweden, but they ignored that we never even asked help.. all though some swedes took part in it, but not by swedes goverment. (cowards!)
Results of the winter war can't be quite sure since russia wasn't really giving the right info of the fallen soldiers. They only announced around 48 745 fallen and 158 863 wounded. In 1990 it the documents of the war had been announced public and there was listed around 265 000 names of fallen russian soldiers. All though it might not be true since some info and estimates of the war says it might have been even over 500 000 fallen russian soldiers.
| QUOTE | | And we also came up with the Molotov Coctail since we couldn't afford or didn't have any better anti-tank weaponry. |
Don't forget sisu which came also known by publicity over finland.
And yes i know it was soviet russia back then.. but what eva..
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Actually Sweden did help Finland indirectly by contributing military supplies, cash, credits, humanitarian aid and
8,700 Swedish volunteers to fight for Finland. Sweden also contributed with the Swedish Voluntary Air Force, what they sent was 1/3 of all the Swedish Air Force's fighters at that time
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Arf, I fail so badly in history. T.T Sorry guys. :P
Ye thanks for correcting all that stuff. :P
And @Eiriish, ye but I don't count voluntary as a thing coming from the goverment. But I didn't know about the cash & supply stuff. Aaand some of that info might've gotten a bit twisted, since it's been ages since I've studied WW2 at school and afterwards I had to listen to tons of corrected propaganda from a mate of mine who's so into extreme right wing stuff. T.T
But ye, sorry for incorrect info, I kill braincells by banging my head to the wall as a hobby. :)
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| 01/09/08 12:38 |
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| QUOTE | Actually Sweden did help Finland indirectly by contributing military supplies, cash, credits, humanitarian aid and
8,700 Swedish volunteers to fight for Finland. Sweden also contributed with the Swedish Voluntary Air Force, what they sent was 1/3 of all the Swedish Air Force's fighters at that time |
Yes, but not indirectly/officialy as u stated. There was also some sort of a contract that sweden will defend Ahvenanmaa, but when the war was started swedes never came to help defending it and leaving finland alone. Also you must admit that without our "victory" to defend against russians you might not live in a free country these days.
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ARf, Sweden could have Ĺland, for what I care. :P
They speak Swedish there, and are otherwise more closer to Sweden in some higher plains of mind.
AND ZOMG I'll KILL my history teacher if this is wrong aswell:
They actually wanted to be a part of Sweden, when they get to vote about it after Finland gained independency but the UN ordered them to stick with us.
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wow... that's just wow!!! awsome lol... outnumbered! the poles ofc ran block way and blinding surgers they had to, otherwise they didn't stand a chance!
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Meteor shower went over there ^_^ bang bang bang!
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Finland definately has a wallhack and Aimbot, no other possibility.
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| QUOTE | | the poles ofc ran block way and blinding surgers they had to, otherwise they didn't stand a chance! |
They didn't! They were one of the first countries to get hit by the German Warmachine. Although they did get attacked from 2 fronts (Soviet Union wanted a piece of the pie to).
Outnumbered vs Soviets and Outmatched by Germany... never stood a chance...
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| QUOTE | this has nothing to do with any of this:
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i didnt edit an edit made by a staffer. and what happnened to my greenland links? why were they taken off?
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| QUOTE | | ARf, Sweden could have Ĺland, for what I care. :P |
Nah.. they make good potato chips xD
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