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Ok, So i'm planning on getting the game this summer, and i have a few questions about the game, but mainly about gear.
Well i got the trial, and i have a level 18 Troll Shaman, which is my favorite wow race/class combination so far. For professions i went engineering/mining and so far that has been a lot of fun.
I've run RFC about 15 times, and i've run WC about 3 or 4, and I absolutely love instances.
About how long in hours should it take to level to 60 if i play casually? what about 70?
I don't have too much time to devote to the game, so i'm guessing that 20/25/40 man raids are out of the question, so i think that that eliminates raid sets as an option.
How good are the pvp sets?
what about crafting epics? I know that engineering doesn't have any dedicated armor sets, so once i get to 70 i might drop mining for leatherworking and craft some armor that way.
if i were to go hardcore raiding for some armor, how hard would it be to get? how many hours a week would i need to devote to it?
finally, what is my best option? Pvp, crafting, or raid sets?
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| 01/26/08 13:01 |
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how long it takes depends on who you are. it took me about 6-7 months to get to sixty w/ school. could have been longer or shorter im not sure. but blizzard changed to lvling speedd so you lvl a lot faster now, the xp required to lvl is less and you also get more xp from quests than you used to.
as for the gear, its best not to worry about it till you are around 68, at 70 you can get some good gear from the new instances you can explore, and once your attuned you can go to kara and start getting your epics. unless you have a lot of time on your hands your not going to be able to go into the higher raids like BT or SSC. and depending on the guild depends on how fast/easy it is for you to get the epics that drop. some guilds use points. i forgot what they call it but you have to be in the guild long enough and you get points for killing bosses and then you spend those points on the epic, and if you have enough you get to roll on it, and if not, you get to sit there and watch everyone else roll. i dont know how it all works because my guild does it diferecntly but thats the general idea.
if you want to get gear at 70, imo its best to just do instances, crafting it takes up to much money/grinding. and if you want to do leatherworking youll also have to drop engineering for skinning unless you want to buy the leather from the AH. so do either or, dont lvl up eng/min and then at 70 do something else, choose what you want early on and stick w/ it. it might be best not to even gear up at all, because by the time you get to 70 WotLK will be coming out in a couple months, and youll replace all that gear within 3 lvls. instead try making gold doing dailys and save up for the expansion, or maybe just get mining/skinning and sell all your mats in the AH.
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| 01/26/08 16:53 |
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PanzerEXE
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ok, thanks. is pvp reward gear any good?
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| 01/26/08 20:26 |
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it is for PvP, not for raiding. some of it is good for pve, such as the trinkets, and weps, but the sets have res and stam which you dont need unless your a tank.
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| 01/26/08 22:29 |
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oh, ok. thanks.
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| 01/26/08 22:31 |
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Well, if you're just gearing up for karazhan you can use some of the better pvp gear to fill in some of the slots that you're still wearing greens or blues in. But in general, pvp gear is for pvp and pve gear is for pve (makes sense, no?).
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| 01/27/08 07:27 |
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***points to self*** Raids in PvP gear all the time and tells people to STFU if you dont like it!
Just make sure your spell hit rating is up if you are going to be a caster.
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| 01/27/08 08:58 |
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PanzerEXE
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well, how difficult is it to actually do one of the higher end raids?
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| 01/27/08 10:56 |
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As a mage I just got + spell hit gems and a few PvE Peices such as rings, trinkets or gloves and belt to wear so I dont have a problem I have more than enough damage and + hit to do Zul Aman and SSC.
As a shaman it depends on what oyur going to do. If you are goign to heal as long as you have the healing gear you should be golden, just make sure you have the +1700 or more to healing and mana regen to go with it. If you are going to do damage when you get big just make sure you have +10% to spell hit when you are raiding along with your crit and +700 or more spell damage without buffs and you will be fine.
Its a matter of knowing your class and knowing how to play it but it is not hard at all to go in PvP gear if you are getting the GOOD PvP gear at that time. Right now it is season 3 arena. However with that said a lot of guilds think they are the shit and wont let people go with them in PvP gear because they believe that PvE is so supperior so you may have a problem with them and may have to prove yourself.
I however do not have that problem because they know I know how to play and have proven myself in the past.
Hope that helps.
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| 01/28/08 10:24 |
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You know, I used to be very much against pvp gear in raids, but the way dru puts it does make sense. Depending on what you want to do, some of the arena gear from season 3 will be much better than the pve gear you can get at that stage (especially some of the weapons are really good).
My problem with pvp gear in raids is that people are just really stupid about it. Right now, I'm getting this picture in my mind of a hunter saying: "lolz, I are epic hunter with imba season 1 gear that I solo grinded in AV, I is can go with you to Hyjal nau?"
You can replace hunter with warrior or rogue, but you know what I mean. In the end it comes down to the player to know their class good enough to know what item is an upgrade and what isn't and let's face it, there are a lot of stupid people out there.
Edit: just noticed that we're going completely off-topic, I just had to get this out of my system.
If you're an intelligent player that is open to suggestions and aims to just be a good, friendly teammate, you should have no problem getting into raiding if you choose to do so, because attitude really is the most important thing to raiding, even though a lot of people forget that sometimes (myself included).
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| 01/29/08 08:23 |
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| QUOTE | | if you are going to do damage when you get big just make sure you have +10% to spell hit when you are raiding |
I think you need 16% total for raids since usually bosses are 3 levels higher than you, that would mean you are sitting at 83% chance to hit so to reach that 99% you would need 16% more or 202 spell hit rating. Of course if you get talents you need less, like a mage's elemental precision. Anyways I could be wrong so disregard this if I am =P
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| 01/29/08 08:40 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | if you are going to do damage when you get big just make sure you have +10% to spell hit when you are raiding |
I think you need 16% total for raids since usually bosses are 3 levels higher than you, that would mean you are sitting at 83% chance to hit so to reach that 99% you would need 16% more or 202 spell hit rating. Of course if you get talents you need less, like a mage's elemental precision. Anyways I could be wrong so disregard this if I am =P |
No, you're right, meum. It's 16% for casters and I believe 9% for two-handed melee, not sure how much of a hit penalty dual wielding gives.
But for a beginning player, these kind of stats don't really matter, the math-crafting really only begins once you hit max level and want to get raiding, so don't let all the math scare you off from picking up the game, because it really isn't as difficult as we may make it out to be.
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| 01/29/08 08:52 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | if you are going to do damage when you get big just make sure you have +10% to spell hit when you are raiding |
I think you need 16% total for raids since usually bosses are 3 levels higher than you, that would mean you are sitting at 83% chance to hit so to reach that 99% you would need 16% more or 202 spell hit rating. Of course if you get talents you need less, like a mage's elemental precision. Anyways I could be wrong so disregard this if I am =P |
No, you're right, meum. It's 16% for casters and I believe 9% for two-handed melee, not sure how much of a hit penalty dual wielding gives.
But for a beginning player, these kind of stats don't really matter, the math-crafting really only begins once you hit max level and want to get raiding, so don't let all the math scare you off from picking up the game, because it really isn't as difficult as we may make it out to be. |
I gots elemental perscision
:-P
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| 01/29/08 10:57 |
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You can also get epics from doing Heroic instances now. Heroic instances you can now do at level 70 and being honored with certain factions (used to be revered before patch 2.3). I don't recommend doing Heroics though until you are well geared as the difficult is cranked up in mobs hitting much harder than when running the instance on normal. Plus, you'll be spending a lot more gold on repair bills lol.
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| 01/29/08 15:50 |
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| QUOTE | | You can also get epics from doing Heroic instances now. Heroic instances you can now do at level 70 and being honored with certain factions (used to be revered before patch 2.3). I don't recommend doing Heroics though until you are well geared as the difficult is cranked up in mobs hitting much harder than when running the instance on normal. Plus, you'll be spending a lot more gold on repair bills lol. |
Also note that most of the epics from heroics aren't even that good. The real thing you want from there is the badges, and those are much easier to get from karazhan anyway.
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| 01/29/08 16:07 |
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Welcome to Amp seattle Wower!
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| 01/30/08 09:53 |
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I fully agree Pschyo that Kara is the way to go for epics, but if you don't have the time or guild that can field a quality 10-man raid then the other options are heroics or pvp. The easiest way to get epics if you are under time restrictions IMO is to farm Alterac Valley for pvp honor. Now that you can purchase Season 1 arena gear with honor you can get a quality set together with not much effort.
Dru, thanks for the welcome :)
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| 01/30/08 10:51 |
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| 01/30/08 11:43 |
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| QUOTE | I fully agree Pschyo that Kara is the way to go for epics, but if you don't have the time or guild that can field a quality 10-man raid then the other options are heroics or pvp. The easiest way to get epics if you are under time restrictions IMO is to farm Alterac Valley for pvp honor. Now that you can purchase Season 1 arena gear with honor you can get a quality set together with not much effort.
Dru, thanks for the welcome :) |
Yeah, I couldn't agree more :D
And welcome!
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| 01/30/08 12:11 |
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| QUOTE | Welcome! ^^
Somehow, your name reminds me of Tom Hanks.... :P |
LOL, same here first thing it came to mind. It was a good movie tho =P
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| 01/30/08 12:48 |
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PvP gear is good for raiding if your not a healer or a tank. You just need to know how to enchant your gear properly. Either way, you getting invites into karazhan with having pvp gera beats a new lvl 70 in full greens (kinda sad to see that in kara honnestly).
PvP does require more time to farm honor points. Arena gear are also very good, just need a decent team with decent gear.
Karazhan (10) and Gruuls (25) are extremely easy. Decent guild should be able to clear kara at least in two nights and Gruuls in a few hours. Depending on the guild you chose Kara can take up to 4 hours and Gruulls 2 hours. If you do join a starting raiding guild it will consume more time getting you geared. If you chose a decent guild chances are that most ppl will pass on the gear and get you geared.
Some crafted set are better then t4 or equally good. Depends on what you are rolling.
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| 01/31/08 06:25 |
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ok, specifically i'm going for elemental shaman. any tips on good gear?
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| 01/31/08 06:34 |
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I've never played a Shammy, but I think for elemental spec you will be wanting to look for gear with Intellect, Spell Crit and Spell Damage.
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| 01/31/08 10:11 |
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For elemental Shaman you will need gear with:
Intellect
Stamina
Spirit
+Spell damage
+Spell Critical Strike rating
+Spell Hit Rating
+Mp5
This is what you need throughout all your set not only on one :)
Y
ou will easily get some nice blues running instences. Either while finishing up some quests or getting attuned for karazhan.
PvP Gear Shammy http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/
PvE Karazhan drop
http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?fl%5Bs...BadvOpt%5D=none
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| 01/31/08 12:50 |
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