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HackingHippie89
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Why is it that almost every topic i read nowadays is reduced to people whining and complaining about one thing or another? I know this isn't anything more than a website but in the real world, as horrid as it sounds people DO NOT always agree. Plain and simple. If we are to the point that we are unable to handle simple arguments then we need to pack our bags and head back to pre-school where everyones nice to everyone and you get a cookie if your sad
It seems that everybody has to find something to be offended about or find something that goes against thier beliefs and emotionally damages them. Take that screenie of Rogue with all the funky colors for example. Everyone thought it was a nice screen with some of the more familiar GA faces and most would see it as nothing more than that but alas, somebody has to make a big deal about it being offensive to the "lords last supper". Isnt turning the other cheek big with Christians? Practice what you preach and just ignore it FFS.
As for Megido almost getting banned for arguing with people...that is one of the dumbest things i have heard lately. How is it exactly you can tell someone they dont have the right to disagree?
well as it seems im being called off to gvg atm...ill wrap this up a bit later.
To be continued...
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| 02/06/08 13:16 |
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XMegidoX
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I await the continuation eagerly my friend.
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| 02/06/08 13:23 |
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The Warrior Of Timi
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Yep people whining about credit, what has happend to GA. in the 2 years that ive been here, it used to be a nice comunity.
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| 02/06/08 13:28 |
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| QUOTE | | Yep people whining about credit, what has happend to GA. in the 2 years that ive been here, it used to be a nice comunity. |
I remember a time when people who used to whine about getting -cred would get more -cred from the admins for it. Now either nothing happens until they piss everyone off, or they just get given +cred. Come on, this just encourages people to cry about it.
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| 02/06/08 13:36 |
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I think the problem could be helped if more topics were locked a lot sooner. What I mean by this is, once opinions become repetitive in a post or if the original theme of the post changes it should be shut down. An example would be when someone posts a question about a pve topic and then somehow the thread turns into a pvp discussion or vice versa. The only other point I'd like to mention is GA moderators should crack down hard on people who are consistently negative towards other people. It's one thing to disagree with someone and post your opinion but when you merely post a negative comment without making an argument as to why then thats a waste of everyone's time.
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| 02/06/08 13:52 |
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i disagree about locking topics. when the mods started doing that everyone moaned about the topics being locked to quickly.
its not the mods job to babysit everyone here, its their job to view and moderate where necessary. which in my eyes means deleting or editing the odd post. not locking topics willy nilly.
i would personally just throw the odd people who troll into a private forum where they can flame eachother to hell until theyre blue in the face.
but to be honest, some people just need a good flaming everynow and then. and i usually dont like to back up other people on the site who get into arguments, but its people like meg, wyat and rogue who i have more respect for when they tell people to just simply shut the hell up and get on with it when they go on another moan binge.
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| 02/06/08 14:03 |
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*GA as it has always been. imho
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| 02/06/08 14:08 |
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This is actually nothing new.
If you were to look throughout the history of Guildwars.gameamp.com and some of the other communities on the GA network you'll see a mountains high, valleys deep trend that's kind of like metal-fatigue:
After a while the number of constructive topics gets exhausted, all seems to be said that there is about the game. When there's things like wiki as alternative information sources the work on site upkeep starts to slump down. The Off Topic section takes a flight then, with forum games, links to funnies e.t.c. Most remaining game related topics are recruitment posts and the occasional newbie question. Very little 'matter of substance' to discuss. Some people drift of to other games and communities, some just drop away.
The next steps tend to consist of:
A) People getting annoyed with "having to answer"repetitive newbie questions. (Sound familiar?)
B) People looking for a fight by becoming increasingly belligerent, basically because they're bored. (Think I seen that)
C) People taking offense at the drop of a hat and not giving people the benefit of the doubt when there's room for interpretation. (Sound familiar?)
D) Some bright lights start to think about ways to be annoying. Hack attempts are made, people try to screw with the Credit system and/or decide it's hilarious to make a profile and fill a personal gallery with smut.
This happened after Prophecies and before the build up to Factions.
This happened after Factions got old (rather quickly) and before the build up to Night Fall came in.
This happened again when Night Fall became boring and before GW:EN got rolling.
Usually, new and exciting stuff from the publisher, like an expansion pack or new installment of the game, makes things pick up again.
Right now, it's happening once again and will keep going until GW2 enthusiasm picks up or we find a way to stop it.
Staff has ways to deal with this, it's not entirely surprising that contests are being revitalized at this time. The means by which Staff can direct things are limited and depending on the good will of the community though. Help from individual members in this is of course greatly appreciated.
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| 02/06/08 14:09 |
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I've been lurking on GameAmp for quite a while yes, more or less over a year with usually seeing this place several times a day (before i had an account that is), even when i took a break from Guild Wars i still checked once a day if only to see some new stuff.
Simply said, It had some administrators in the past that exactly knew how to keep things like they are. They managed to keep everyone to their topics and STICK with their topics. Off-topicness like we've seen in alot of in recent threads a year ago was almost unheard off, and if it happened someone stepped in telling them to resolve/debate such things in a new thread of just in private.
If that happens now that person is looked at like a complete weirdo.
Remember the non-flaming rules, and the rules of neutrality on how to deal and communicate with eachother? They where regarded as a Law here almost, now most people dont even know what im talking about.
And i know one thing, we dont need an administrator/moderator to be the police officer around, thats ridiculous. Everyone should do their part to some extend. Which ofcourse doesnt happen now.
I mean, heh I told someone to keep his language in check because it was kitten obvious he never read the rules and guidelines of GameAmp, and i was just doing it for his own good before he puts *KITTEN* in every single sentence.
What i got back? A sentence that had to be quoted several times by others who both agreed and mildly laughed about what i said. But it was only to try and maintain whatever form of ''Friendly Community'' GameAmp had remaining.
Things like that just sadden me to some bit, it's exactly those things that have made GameAmp what it is today instead of a year ago. We'll always have people here that are a bit out of touch, no problem. All we'd need to ask them is to be open for friendly criticism on how we view them.
But instead now you more or less go to call the fire department...
Im not even bothering with handing out clues and threads as examples, cause frankly, if you dont know what im talking about your not supposed to be here at all, this is just a community gotten out of hand. And too few are stepping out of the line and act.
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| 02/06/08 14:10 |
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| QUOTE | | I think the problem could be helped if more topics were locked a lot sooner. What I mean by this is, once opinions become repetitive in a post or if the original theme of the post changes it should be shut down. |
(personal opinion coming up)
I disagree somewhat with your allegation, I'd like to see as much discussion I can get. Discussions aren't bad, it's a conversation between two (or more) parts disagreeing and then trying to compromise together. In the old days we used to plant a sword or bullet if you didn't manage to agree, so I really think the art of discussing is something that is highly important for our modern and civilized society ^_^
But I get the essence of your post, and I agree with you. Whilst I don't always think locking a topic will serve good (as it cuts of not only the trolls, but also those who wish to discuss the original topic), I think that it's not such a bad idea to let staffer slip in posts like "hey, cool down or else..." every now and then
In general, I don't want to discourage people from posting, and I hope nobody feels like that (if you do, I really need to know).
Off-topic is not always wrong, but there have been times where we obviously should have interfered and called it to an end.
It's interesting to see different opinions on this subject, could I get some more feedback on what you all think is right/wrong? I'd love to read it, I'm here to help as much as I can =)
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| 02/06/08 14:13 |
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XMegidoX
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| QUOTE | | It's interesting to see different opinions on this subject, could I get some more feedback on what you all think is right/wrong? I'd love to read it, I'm here to help as much as I can =) |
People's refusal to acknowledge what multiple people say to them.
People constantly whining.
People taking everything to heart.
People being offended by the slightest of things.
People not understanding what humour is unless 100 lines of LOL ROFL LMAO are typed into the post.
People talking about stuff they know nothing about, then telling the people who do know what they are talking about that they are wrong.
That's all for now.
EDIT: That's all the wrong stuff.
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s**t, meg doesnt approve...it blows |
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| 02/06/08 14:21 |
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Now that im in Gameamp guides guild since a little before christmas of course i stay with the site. But let me tell you, if i wasnt in the amp guild, i would have been gone already, lets put it that way, i would strip my account and every topic i ever made then leave. I have seen so many stupid things here its unbelievable.
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| 02/06/08 14:33 |
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| QUOTE | This is actually nothing new.
If you were to look throughout the history of Guildwars.gameamp.com and some of the other communities on the GA network you'll see a mountains high, valleys deep trend that's kind of like metal-fatigue:
After a while the number of constructive topics gets exhausted, all seems to be said that there is about the game. When there's things like wiki as alternative information sources the work on site upkeep starts to slump down. The Off Topic section takes a flight then, with forum games, links to funnies e.t.c. Most remaining game related topics are recruitment posts and the occasional newbie question. Very little 'matter of substance' to discuss. Some people drift of to other games and communities, some just drop away.
The next steps tend to consist of:
A) People getting annoyed with "having to answer"repetitive newbie questions. (Sound familiar?)
B) People looking for a fight by becoming increasingly belligerent, basically because they're bored. (Think I seen that)
C) People taking offense at the drop of a hat and not giving people the benefit of the doubt when there's room for interpretation. (Sound familiar?)
D) Some bright lights start to think about ways to be annoying. Hack attempts are made, people try to screw with the Credit system and/or decide it's hilarious to make a profile and fill a personal gallery with smut.
This happened after Prophecies and before the build up to Factions.
This happened after Factions got old (rather quickly) and before the build up to Night Fall came in.
This happened again when Night Fall became boring and before GW:EN got rolling.
Usually, new and exciting stuff from the publisher, like an expansion pack or new installment of the game, makes things pick up again.
Right now, it's happening once again and will keep going until GW2 enthusiasm picks up or we find a way to stop it.
Staff has ways to deal with this, it's not entirely surprising that contests are being revitalized at this time. The means by which Staff can direct things are limited and depending on the good will of the community though. Help from individual members in this is of course greatly appreciated. |
I'd say that's about right. The same sort of things happened last year when people were getting bored of nightfall.
Unfortunately GW2 isn't suppose to come out for a while. So things will probably stagnate a bit worse until it picks up.
I believe the correct term is angst.
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| 02/06/08 15:06 |
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i love it, make a topic about moaning and whinging and guess what... everyone moans and whinges lol good stuff :)
you cant please everyone and everyne is different, if your looking for a peaceful everybodies lovely forum the goodluck with that ^^
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| 02/06/08 15:33 |
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Don't let this become Galie's PvE forum of love!
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| 02/06/08 15:46 |
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Well I appreciate when you guys complain because it lets me know when your getting screwed over by seomthing or someone.
though all the complaining about negative credit is the suck because I am not going to award everyone with positive that gets negative. Over half the time it is deserved, and we have gotten rid of a lot of the people that do it when it is not deserved.
So, with that said, complaining goes to rant and rave, if you dont want to see it, dont read those threads. otherwise, we should be all good.
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| 02/06/08 16:42 |
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| QUOTE | | though all the complaining about negative credit is the suck |
Quoted for the complete truth of the matter. People, this is an admin that has said this, take note.
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| 02/06/08 16:46 |
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I appreciate the responses posted towards my comment. I can see how locking topics can hurt discussion , maybe that is a bit too harsh of an action for most threads that steer off course, it's just the only action that I know of that moderators can use to keep control of problems that arise in threads. Now ,just to comment on what Megido mentioned as problems here on GA. I agree with you ,unfortunately we have different ages and cultures here in the community so care and respect must be taken in posting if you would like people to respond properly to any comment made about something you post. I myself am guilty of assuming that people will understand what I am saying is the truth or that they will find it funny instead of offensive or hurtful. I know nobody here personally as far as I know and have only met a few in game through chance encounters ,therefore why should I believe anything someone says as truth unless they can back it up with fact. That is why proper discussion must take place rather than short uninformative responses that leave people guessing at what was said.
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| 02/06/08 16:46 |
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| QUOTE | | therefore why should I believe anything someone says as truth unless they can back it up with fact. That is why proper discussion must take place rather than short uninformative responses that leave people guessing at what was said. |
The problem is, the more this happens, the more people expect to be constantly spoonfed the answers. Leaving vague sweeping comments is a method of trying to get people to think - "Why did he say it was bad? Why am I annoying people? Is crying about getting -cred going to stop me getting it?"
I mean, I have nothing against detailing every tiny detail every now and again, but I would much prefer if people could work out the minor points themselves once the major answer has been given.
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| 02/06/08 16:51 |
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I have to side with Meg on this one (checks the sky isn't collapsing). Pointing people in the right direction and letting them sort it out themselves from there is often more beneficial to the requester than taking him/her by the hand and leading them by the hand the rest of the way doesn't help them build their troubleshooting skills.
Also, it's very, very hard to argue ideas and opinions with facts. Explaining that a +30 sword is better than a +28 is a lot easier than explaining why the +30 should be a twenty times more expensive than the +28 though only being 5 times as rare for instance. The former is a fact, the latter a belief that's not grounded in fact.
I'm one of those people who tend to take a thread off-topic. I like to think that I do so in a constructive manner, picking up on something interesting in the previous posts after the main issue has been solved / talked to death. In that I see threads much like a conversation, which may start with the weather as topic and end with an exchange of phone-numbers (or a slap in the face). So I firmly believe some derailment is beneficial. It's all give and take though. it's that capacity, that tolerance if you will that's missing the most at the moment.
Oh and Meg, whining about people whining about losing credit is just prolonging everyone's misery ;-)
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| 02/06/08 17:02 |
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| QUOTE | | Don't let this become Galie's PvE forum of love! |
Two years too late xD Mwahahahaha!!!
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| 02/06/08 17:03 |
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I do understand what your are saying about people wanting to be "spoonfed the answers", there is always a certain level of laziness in everything. Some people do everything for themselves while others ride the coat tails, so to speak. If someone asks a question , whether it has an easy or a complex answer, a vague response leads to doubt and assumption. Thats why if anyone answers a question they should leave a response and maybe a link or a suggestion as to somewhere in GA where they can confirm the answer you have given.This of course relies on the complexity of the question. If someone asks "what's max damage for a sword?" you can simply answer"22" but if someone asks "how do I figure out the dps on a certain spike?" maybe there is a guide that they can be linked to. The person answering the question is as responsible as the OP for keeping threads informative and useful. Eventually, over time, people you have helped will no longer doubt your answers and take your word on any matter(as I see some already do).
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| 02/06/08 17:28 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | though all the complaining about negative credit is the suck |
Quoted for the complete truth of the matter. People, this is an admin that has said this, take note. |
Ok, I guess I took people bringing up getting negative credit, not as whining, but as pointing out they got it and wanted to know why. When you don't know who gave it to you, how else are you suppose to find out but to ask? I really doubt some or even most of the people expected admins to give them some positive cred to even it out. I gathered they wanted whoever did it to pipe up and say why. The fact that it was done in secret was the thing that really got to me. It proved it was just a member and not an admin, and that the member was just being cruel and didn't have anything to back it up. If no one spoke up about getting negative cred...how would anyone know?
I got annoyed with it cause it seemed to happen in every other thread I read, and for no reason I could see. I wasn't annoyed that people were speaking up that it was happened to them, I was annoyed that it did happen to them. Then I was annoyed at the same people saying they were stupid to complain about it. In fact, I thought the people saying they were stupid to care that they lost credit were the ones doing it. I may have been right in some of the cases, but obviously not in all.
As for Megido, I feel you often have smart things to say, but it is how you deliver them that gets peoples backs up. I think that is the only reason you seem to be in "discussions" with so many people. It's not the words but the tone of your words that seems hostile and as if you are putting the person down. I am not saying you are the only one that does this. You are just the one that came to mind at this moment.
I like this community. Even when people get bored and cause a raukus. lol There are a lot of great people here. A lot of different personalities that we have to take into account. Doesn't mean we have to watch what we say, but maybe just watch how we say it. And if you question what some says, do it without getting snippy as well as answering the question without getting snippy also.
Ok, all done...finally. lol
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| 02/06/08 17:33 |
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Serenity, yes...some people just wanted to know why they got -cred and thats fine but
WTFOMGZORS :(:(:(:(::(:(::(:( WHY DO I ALWAYS GET -CRED I DIDNT SAY ANYHINH BAD Q_Q Q_Q
is a bit over the top, and with any sort of intelligence at all you should know that sort of behavior will only encourage the -cred
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| 02/07/08 13:08 |
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| QUOTE | Serenity, yes...some people just wanted to know why they got -cred and thats fine but
WTFOMGZORS :(:(:(:(::(:(::(:( WHY DO I ALWAYS GET -CRED I DIDNT SAY ANYHINH BAD Q_Q Q_Q
is a bit over the top, and with any sort of intelligence at all you should know that sort of behavior will only encourage the -cred |
Basically that's correct, but in this case, it didn't matter whether this neg cred receiver moaned about it or not. He was being targeted on purpose and it didn't matter how helpful his post was, he received neg cred anyway. So, this was not about some random accident. Though, I agree that it should've been taken care of by reporting about it to an admin with a PM.
The funny thing is, that the one who went trigger happy with the neg cred button, was also one of those persons who always said that "zomg cred doesn't matter"....and ironically, he was buffing up his own at the same time.
And this reminds me: If anyone of you who recently got banned are reading this: You got banned, m'kay? Account recreation by banned users isn't kewl.
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| 02/07/08 13:22 |
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