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So i was reading about it and i had heard about it recently. This link http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13506_1-9837180-17.html talks about it and it mentions that it is basically far better then vista in speed, and makes XP as handy as vista without the errors and crap.
So does anyone run XP SP3? How does it run?
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| 02/06/08 18:02 |
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I'm actually kinda worried about SP3 for XP.
The reports on the RC (Release Candidate) are good, they just need to add the final touches supposed to make you want to upgrade to Vista. Kinda like the "Internet Explorer free" version of Windows.
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| 02/06/08 18:24 |
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The SP3 beta was buggy for me :\
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| 02/06/08 18:26 |
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| QUOTE | I'm actually kinda worried about SP3 for XP.
The reports on the RC (Release Candidate) are good, they just need to add the final touches supposed to make you want to upgrade to Vista. Kinda like the "Internet Explorer free" version of Windows. |
I'm never going to vista, well for now i'm not, but i hope they make, Direct X 10 Avalable for XP and make vista-only games work with xp.
Of course one can dream.
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| 02/06/08 18:27 |
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Well it ends at SP2 for me, i have 14 Gigabytes, yes Gigabytes, not megabytes of freespace left on the disc, 14GB and it says i have no enough room. So f it all.
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| 02/06/08 18:34 |
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| QUOTE | I'm never going to vista, well for now i'm not, but i hope they make, Direct X 10 Avalable for XP and make vista-only games work with xp.
Of course one can dream. |
Don't expect DX10 for Vista. I know a lot of people said there would be a backwards compatibility fix but it's just not gonna happen and they do not understand in what way Vista is different. Vista all but runs on top of DX10 and XP does not run on top of DX9, more to the side. Total different approach to hardware control. The whole point of DX used to be to have that seperated out from the OS. and give more direct access to hardware for stuff like games. DX10/Vista snuggled the OS back in between hardware & game. Take a guess why Vista is such a resource hog?
Given that most of the corporate world has the same inclination as you, to wait out Vista and see if Windows 7 will be any good, you can expect:
- Public threats that XP support is to be shut down according to schedule, which will fail to impress anyone.
- Tweaks to XP in SP3 /other updates which will have the unfortunate "side-effect" of making things just a little harder on XP, especially when compared to the same feature on Vista.
- More DX10 only Microsoft published titles with big IP's but shallow gameplay and an overall further shift away from PC's towards consoles by every other studio. By the time of Windows 7 you might discover less than 10% of game titles in development to be for the PC. Even less PC only titles.
- Accelerated development of Windows 7, making that less feature rich and (hopefully) to Vista what W2K was to NT. (with Vista being to Xp what ME was to W98)
- Possibly an additional "corporate version" of Vista which has remarkable similarities to what the Vista Lite tool does for you.
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| 02/06/08 18:45 |
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Chrisworld
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | I'm never going to vista, well for now i'm not, but i hope they make, Direct X 10 Avalable for XP and make vista-only games work with xp.
Of course one can dream. |
Don't expect DX10 for Vista. I know a lot of people said there would be a backwards compatibility fix but it's just not gonna happen and they do not understand in what way Vista is different. Vista all but runs on top of DX10 and XP does not run on top of DX9, more to the side. Total different approach to hardware control. The whole point of DX used to be to have that seperated out from the OS. and give more direct access to hardware for stuff like games. DX10/Vista snuggled the OS back in between hardware & game. Take a guess why Vista is such a resource hog?
Given that most of the corporate world has the same inclination as you, to wait out Vista and see if Windows 7 will be any good, you can expect:
- Public threats that XP support is to be shut down according to schedule, which will fail to impress anyone.
- Tweaks to XP in SP3 /other updates which will have the unfortunate "side-effect" of making things just a little harder on XP, especially when compared to the same feature on Vista.
- More DX10 only Microsoft published titles with big IP's but shallow gameplay and an overall further shift away from PC's towards consoles by every other studio. By the time of Windows 7 you might discover less than 10% of game titles in development to be for the PC. Even less PC only titles.
- Accelerated development of Windows 7, making that less feature rich and (hopefully) to Vista what W2K was to NT. (with Vista being to Xp what ME was to W98)
- Possibly an additional "corporate version" of Vista which has remarkable similarities to what the Vista Lite tool does for you. |
I see... well i wont be installing SP3 anytime soon because my life sucks.
Correct me if im wrong but i see 14.6, now 15 GB left on my disc, in no way is this installer going to tell me i need 4 MB of free space to install this s*it.
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| 02/06/08 18:53 |
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They, kinda, did made another markettingmistake here didn't they?
Vista SP1 is coming out soon but now people are gonna compaire that to XP SP3 and well, you'll kinda get the same response as with Vista and XP SP2. =/
And to report on another (Epic) Fail of Microsoft, appearntly Vista SP1 isn't going to be to big improvement everybody dreamed/heard off...
However, I do think sometimes people forge that Rome wasn't build/demolished in a day.
XP wasn't z0mg, freakin' 4ws0m3 from the start so I think by the time we'll see SP2 we'll get some progress towards awsomeness.
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| 02/06/08 19:09 |
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| QUOTE | They, kinda, did made another markettingmistake here didn't they?
Vista SP1 is coming out soon but now people are gonna compaire that to XP SP3 and well, you'll kinda get the same response as with Vista and XP SP2. =/
And to report on another (Epic) Fail of Microsoft, appearntly Vista SP1 isn't going to be to big improvement everybody dreamed/heard off...
However, I do think sometimes people forge that Rome wasn't build/demolished in a day.
XP wasn't z0mg, freakin' 4ws0m3 from the start so I think by the time we'll see SP2 we'll get some progress towards awsomeness. |
What you see above is epic fail. Im so tired of not being able to do things other people can.
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| 02/06/08 19:13 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | They, kinda, did made another markettingmistake here didn't they?
Vista SP1 is coming out soon but now people are gonna compaire that to XP SP3 and well, you'll kinda get the same response as with Vista and XP SP2. =/
And to report on another (Epic) Fail of Microsoft, appearntly Vista SP1 isn't going to be to big improvement everybody dreamed/heard off...
However, I do think sometimes people forge that Rome wasn't build/demolished in a day.
XP wasn't z0mg, freakin' 4ws0m3 from the start so I think by the time we'll see SP2 we'll get some progress towards awsomeness. |
What you see above is epic fail. Im so tired of not being able to do things other people can. |
Do explain, it kinda s*cks when people shoot down youre post without more explanation... =/
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| 02/06/08 19:16 |
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| QUOTE | Do explain, it kinda s*cks when people shoot down youre post without more explanation... =/
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It's called Frustration, often happens when things, such as for example his Computer, fail to comply with one's wishes of installing/running certain programs. Computers are one of the best known Frustration-inducing items on the planet.
In all seriousness though, SP3 is just a big bug-fixer, i doubt it will improve anything like performance in Games, latest benchmarks basicly show faster load times forrr...... *drumroll* WINDOWS WORD.
Im not running Vista, and i dont think i have to ever run it, i skipped a Windows before and im quite zealous about the fact i can just do it again. M$ already released claims of a new windows, Code-named Vienna, to be released somewhere in 2009-2010 if all goes well (probably not, but who knows right?)
Why? Simple, Vista simply doesnt have anything for me XP can't offer, i dont need a weird transparent gadgetry interface that sucks up my power cause it keeps my GPU fully active, im not in the mood for a resource hog sucking up precious RAM i need for editing programs, and i certainly havent been sleepless for a night thinking i cant play DX10 Games.
Cause frankly, the DX10 Hype sucks cause it just doesn't offer anything more then a couple of slightly more detailed shadows and shaders, and especially shadows are things i turn off first when playing any game as their extreme in slowing down the general FPS.
Im just saying MY Opinion and my Opinion alone, there are for sure people on this planet that do need something that Vista offers (such as improved SLi capability), but for a simpleton like me, No Thank You.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | I'm never going to vista, well for now i'm not, but i hope they make, Direct X 10 Avalable for XP and make vista-only games work with xp.
Of course one can dream. |
Don't expect DX10 for Vista. I know a lot of people said there would be a backwards compatibility fix but it's just not gonna happen and they do not understand in what way Vista is different. Vista all but runs on top of DX10 and XP does not run on top of DX9, more to the side. Total different approach to hardware control. The whole point of DX used to be to have that seperated out from the OS. and give more direct access to hardware for stuff like games. DX10/Vista snuggled the OS back in between hardware & game. Take a guess why Vista is such a resource hog?
Given that most of the corporate world has the same inclination as you, to wait out Vista and see if Windows 7 will be any good, you can expect:
- Public threats that XP support is to be shut down according to schedule, which will fail to impress anyone.
- Tweaks to XP in SP3 /other updates which will have the unfortunate "side-effect" of making things just a little harder on XP, especially when compared to the same feature on Vista.
- More DX10 only Microsoft published titles with big IP's but shallow gameplay and an overall further shift away from PC's towards consoles by every other studio. By the time of Windows 7 you might discover less than 10% of game titles in development to be for the PC. Even less PC only titles.
- Accelerated development of Windows 7, making that less feature rich and (hopefully) to Vista what W2K was to NT. (with Vista being to Xp what ME was to W98)
- Possibly an additional "corporate version" of Vista which has remarkable similarities to what the Vista Lite tool does for you. |
I see... well i wont be installing SP3 anytime soon because my life sucks.
Correct me if im wrong but i see 14.6, now 15 GB left on my disc, in no way is this installer going to tell me i need 4 MB of free space to install this s*it. |
The error message actually states that there is not enough disk space on C:\WINDOWS\uninssp3\$ntservicepackuninstall$.
Granted I have not bothered to even look at SP3, however I do know that XP is treating that file as a Virtual Disk, and virtual disks can have size caps on them. I've not messed around too much with such an instance, but I would imagine that the cap could be modified in the file properties. Based on the fact that the directory is "uninssp3", I would guess that you could even delete that directory (and anything else already written to your disk from the install) and try to start the install over.
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| 02/06/08 20:01 |
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Chrisworld
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | They, kinda, did made another markettingmistake here didn't they?
Vista SP1 is coming out soon but now people are gonna compaire that to XP SP3 and well, you'll kinda get the same response as with Vista and XP SP2. =/
And to report on another (Epic) Fail of Microsoft, appearntly Vista SP1 isn't going to be to big improvement everybody dreamed/heard off...
However, I do think sometimes people forge that Rome wasn't build/demolished in a day.
XP wasn't z0mg, freakin' 4ws0m3 from the start so I think by the time we'll see SP2 we'll get some progress towards awsomeness. |
What you see above is epic fail. Im so tired of not being able to do things other people can. |
Do explain, it kinda s*cks when people shoot down youre post without more explanation... =/ |
Im talking about my picture not your post....
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Chrisworld
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | I'm never going to vista, well for now i'm not, but i hope they make, Direct X 10 Avalable for XP and make vista-only games work with xp.
Of course one can dream. |
Don't expect DX10 for Vista. I know a lot of people said there would be a backwards compatibility fix but it's just not gonna happen and they do not understand in what way Vista is different. Vista all but runs on top of DX10 and XP does not run on top of DX9, more to the side. Total different approach to hardware control. The whole point of DX used to be to have that seperated out from the OS. and give more direct access to hardware for stuff like games. DX10/Vista snuggled the OS back in between hardware & game. Take a guess why Vista is such a resource hog?
Given that most of the corporate world has the same inclination as you, to wait out Vista and see if Windows 7 will be any good, you can expect:
- Public threats that XP support is to be shut down according to schedule, which will fail to impress anyone.
- Tweaks to XP in SP3 /other updates which will have the unfortunate "side-effect" of making things just a little harder on XP, especially when compared to the same feature on Vista.
- More DX10 only Microsoft published titles with big IP's but shallow gameplay and an overall further shift away from PC's towards consoles by every other studio. By the time of Windows 7 you might discover less than 10% of game titles in development to be for the PC. Even less PC only titles.
- Accelerated development of Windows 7, making that less feature rich and (hopefully) to Vista what W2K was to NT. (with Vista being to Xp what ME was to W98)
- Possibly an additional "corporate version" of Vista which has remarkable similarities to what the Vista Lite tool does for you. |
I see... well i wont be installing SP3 anytime soon because my life sucks.
Correct me if im wrong but i see 14.6, now 15 GB left on my disc, in no way is this installer going to tell me i need 4 MB of free space to install this s*it. |
The error message actually states that there is not enough disk space on C:WINDOWSuninssp3$ntservicepackuninstall$.
Granted I have not bothered to even look at SP3, however I do know that XP is treating that file as a Virtual Disk, and virtual disks can have size caps on them. I've not messed around too much with such an instance, but I would imagine that the cap could be modified in the file properties. Based on the fact that the directory is "uninssp3", I would guess that you could even delete that directory (and anything else already written to your disk from the install) and try to start the install over. |
The uninssp3 was a experiment folder added in the directory by me to see if it would force the download to continue anyway.
And im not sure about virtual disks i have none on my comp but i'll try to tunderstand, anyways i aborted the idea of SP3 another thing shot down in my world by, da da da! Microsoft!
Lets see how many times MS has made me unhappy, oh theres a couple but the list grows.
Direct X 10 Not on XP, aka I HAVE XP
Direct X 10 Not on certain Video cards, aka MINE
Halo 2 Not on XP, needs vista and dx10 --- once again I HAVE XP AND I CANT GET DX10!!! Ether way i now own a very fancy stone... that was a computer in 2006 and then became useless when direct x 10 became avalable for ATI graphics cards higher then mine. Thanks Bill Gates, your one hell of a nice guy.
Probably not much more to do now, i'll just keep doing what im doing. And i will be all good.
Most likely ill never get an intel mac again and use it as half high end gaming computer which demands upgrades every year and can not get done because of the fact that it is indeed a mac.
hey at least apple provides me with an OS on the other half of my computer that never seems to dissapoint me, that is OSX but...you cant run many games on OSX, i swear if gw was on OSX too id never touch XP again.
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