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Thundarpants
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| Crowd Control gettin some luvin on 2.4 |
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Well I've been bored as hell today and found some interesting information in the patch notes. Keep in mind that this is not coming from the official WoW website so I'm taking it with a grain of salt until I can find actual confirmation.
Druid
Swipe: This ability will no longer strike any secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Hunter
Multi-Shot: This ability will no longer strike any secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Paladin
Avenger’s Shield: This ability will no longer jump to secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. I.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Warlock
Felguard Cleave: This ability will no longer strike any secondary target which is under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. ie. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Warrior
Cleave: This ability will no longer strike any secondary target which is under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Shaman
Chain Lightning: This ability will no longer jump to secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
I'll tell ya folks, I hate puggin. And crowd control issues are at the root of a lot of the PUG-related issues. Some players just don't know enough about the other classes they play with to be effective.
If these changes go into effect, it should take a lot of stress off of non-guild teams IMHO. And make a lot of the instances a lot easier in general. Think about it..... how many wipes have you been a part of because someone broke a shackle or sheep too early?
There are still plenty of AoE and direct attacks that'll break that CC, but in general I think this is a great change for a PvE'r like myself.
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| 03/13/08 12:16 |
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psychobunny
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Ah man, now I actually have to go and select the crowd controlled mob and attack it directly?
Swipe sucks now, how am I supposed to piss off the mages? :(
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| 03/13/08 12:27 |
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meumesmo
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That is really cool. I haven't played 2.4, but if those are some of the changes, that is going to be really sweet.
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| 03/13/08 22:59 |
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Mitch
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i personaly dont see the point in this, part of knowing how 2 play is not breaking cc and this removes any thought of that all 2gether, i actually enjoyed learning to curve my avengers shield 2 avoid cc when i was prot....yet they didnt fix concecration....wonder why when thats the main spell pallys tank with.....i mean honestly if your fixing multi target aoe why not just fix every single aoe skill.....
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| 03/14/08 12:19 |
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psychobunny
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| QUOTE | | i personaly dont see the point in this, part of knowing how 2 play is not breaking cc and this removes any thought of that all 2gether, i actually enjoyed learning to curve my avengers shield 2 avoid cc when i was prot....yet they didnt fix concecration....wonder why when thats the main spell pallys tank with.....i mean honestly if your fixing multi target aoe why not just fix every single aoe skill..... |
You make a very good point there. I personally learned to tank (both as a feral druid and a protection paladin) having to keep my AoE in check because of the crowd control.
Part of the challenge of it is to be able to take them away from the controlled mobs so they don't break because of your AoE and this change takes a lot of difficulty out of it (for feral druids at least, less so for paladins), which isn't necessarily a good thing.
And the reason they didn't fix consecration is because it targets an area and not specific mobs, it's not about it being the paladins main AoE aggro, it's about the mechanics of multi-target non-AoE spells for all classes.
It will make grouping with rogues a bit more convenient for me (since if I break sap with Avengers shield on the pull, they can't re-apply it), but for the rest it's not that big of a deal since any tank worth his salt should be able to handle it anyway.
Oh, and I suppose hunters, shamans and dps warriors can nuke more readily without having to think about the consequences as well.
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| 03/14/08 12:51 |
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Thundarpants
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| QUOTE | | i personaly dont see the point in this, part of knowing how 2 play is not breaking cc and this removes any thought of that all 2gether, i actually enjoyed learning to curve my avengers shield 2 avoid cc when i was prot....yet they didnt fix concecration....wonder why when thats the main spell pallys tank with.....i mean honestly if your fixing multi target aoe why not just fix every single aoe skill..... |
Learning to play is a valid skill. So I do see your point on that, but.......
Paladins, uber as they are at tanking, can't get work because of the initial pull.
Druids will now be able to gain aggro on multiple targets more readily.
Shamans can get more of their DPS spells into rotation.
Demonology Warlocks are now more team friendly.
Fury Warriors could never get into any 5 man teams because not only did they not bring any CC to the plate(get it.... PLATE) they broke cc with one of their best attacks.
In general, there are still tons of things you have to learn to be good at any class. These changes will promote more team diversity. Right now folks are getting set in their ways and ruts are forming on team formations. It will make game play easier for all classes across the board, without the dreaded nerf bat of equality getting stuffed where the Sunwell doesn't shine.
Some classes find it very hard to get into 5 mans to gear up for raids and gain rep for heroic runs. Since this will primarily be a PvE adjustment to the game, it will be great for a lot of the classes that have such a hard time gearing up for PvE events.
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| 03/14/08 13:08 |
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Mitch
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sorry this fixes 5man groupings how? the classes who have trouble grouping still bring no CC, it was never a matter of dps or tanking in general. i would know this better then most as my pally is ret and tbh, iv never had trouble getting groups for things. pre heroics i always tanked and now with season1 gear available for nothing basicly then theres no excuse not to be ready for kara/heroics without doing normal instances in the beginning. also make sure u dont forget that heroics only req honored now, which you get by questing in that area or by running 2 instances..so if u really cant be honored pre 70 something is seriously wrong.
i know how irritating idiot tanks can be as my mage does use something known as polymorph and it does get broken frequently if i leave it near the tank, i can control my CC just as a dps is meant to control threat/dps. never blame everything on the tanks as they have the hardest job 2 begin with, in most cases its actually the dps/cc to blame.
also, as for pallys concecration the point behind that wasnt for an answer as 2 why it isnt being changed....my point being if your fixing some aoe wtf is the point in not fixing it all, its just really stupid imo and removes any basic skill of playing wow in the beginning...and as for wars whirlwind, if i cant concecrate as ret for a bonus 100dps then they shud a war freely use his aoe?
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| 03/15/08 14:37 |
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Thundarpants
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Well, it looks like they handed out candy to everybody but the Hunters:
Hunter
Multi-Shot: This ability will no longer strike any secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc.
Multi-Shot still breaks CC. he rest of them seem to have gone into effect though.
Sorry Hunters.... WoW hates you.....j/k
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| 04/01/08 15:41 |
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psychobunny
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They didn't hand out candy to anyone. The changes didn't go through, I believe. Which makes me kind of happy in some way, because I love seeing pugs fail :)
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| 04/01/08 16:26 |
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Thundarpants
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Yeah, we tested them all out and found that out too.
Have many of you been to the new Magister's Terrace on heroic yet? Damn that instance is a CC nightmare. I think that may even be what prompted them to consider the changes in the first place. One broken CC can easily mean wipe.
Still, some nice goodies in there.
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| 04/02/08 07:51 |
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psychobunny
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I've done it several times on heroic with only one mage or a hunter as crowd control. It's difficult but it's not that bad once you've done it a couple of times.
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| 04/02/08 11:48 |
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