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YoungBrit

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URSAN BLESSING

Hello all i would like you all to state what YOUR opinions are about the skill ursan and if you think it is ruining the game like alot of people do. This should be fun :P

03/13/08 17:14

Lord_of_Darkness

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I think this has been tossed around already.

But I think it is a nice skill to have gives peoplpe a chance to do DOA FOW UW with having to do with all the BS.

03/13/08 17:17

CorruptNinja

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I dont think it ruins the game, just contradicts anets purposes of nerfs. They Nerf certain skills to try and stop farming, yet they put in ursan which is basically a Farming Build in itself.We have yet to see any effort in an Ursan Nerf. Its ruined most of PvE for me, mainly because i cant find a group that doesnt kick me for not using it.

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03/13/08 17:18

Timmorn

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

Well I don't know about it sence I have not played with the skill yet.. but I guess it would be a deference of opinion on this skill..

my 2 cents.. ;-P

03/13/08 17:21

Deathaxe

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

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03/13/08 17:27

Faarr Seer

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

i hate it

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03/13/08 17:41

Jamnog

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

edit : Ahh ya know what I'm gonna not say anything

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03/13/08 18:17

YoungBrit

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

Hmm i think its only right i say my peice on this skill

ok here it goes

i dont think the skill spoils the game, i think players that will ONLY play ursan spoil the game, think about it, with ursan it is possible for all proffesions to farm elite areas. Not that i have ever been with a normal party to say DoA for example, but if im correct wasnt the old DoA party just for a selected group with certain professions, i mean, did people used to want say assassins for example in full DoA runs? or Mesmers, Rangers, Dervs etc. One thing i like is that it doesnt matter your proffesion you can still experience the whole game. But i also see were players are coming from when they say its spoiled the game. I see so many people in ToA,DoA etc looking for the ''oldschool'' parties but they never have any luck, but i dont think the skill has spoiled the game, infact i think it helped open alot of doors for people playing the game. I just think the game has too many people whio spend more time bragging about titles than accualy seeking them, and these are the type of people that will only use ursan because they just wanna get throw the game as fast as possible without even trying

But thats my veiw, i use the skill for DoA, UW, FoW and most elite areas, but if im title seeking ill always have my bow :)

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03/13/08 18:18

YoungBrit

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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edit : Ahh ya know what I'm gonna not say anything

HAHA i seen what u put lol it was very moving and funny u should have left it on :P

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03/13/08 18:26

Evil Geek

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

Ursan it allows you to watch TV while defeating DoA, hey games arent supposed to be immersive right? Monking on Ursan Teams however is quite good fun and requires your attention.

Theres so much Iv'e already said about this subject I really don't know if I can go down that road again....but hey you know me, I like a rant :)

Ursan doesn't allow under used classes into teams they couldnt get into before , it only allows under used classes into teams if you guarantee you arent going to play that class.

Ursan doesnt accurately reflect the original ethos of skill over grind that GW sold itself on, now that wasnt a small selling point it was a big one.

The future of PvE is going to be this if it carries on the way its going: we will have Monks and we will have Ursans in PuGs, nothing else. When I spend 20 minutes in Imperial Sanctum spamming 'SV necro bored and wants to help in NM or HM' and all the requests I get are 'can you go ursan' then there is something seriously wrong - both in general terms and for that mission in particular, an Ursan team drags its feet and is much more likely to fail than a balanced team with an SV necro (I know I tried both), stoooooopid, hello? anyone bring their brains into PvE anymore, oops sorry youve got Ursan now, who needs brains while you watch TV and mash skills 1,2 and 3.

Look at the future of GW2 and think what your acceptance of UB (if you do) in GW is spelling out to Anet - give us grind and nobrainer mode please!

Hey UB is fun, I aint gonna deny that but if UB and that type of skill had been prevelant in GW when I started playing I would have lasted a month maybe? I would be so happy if the whole sorry mess of UB was gone tomorrow, not gonna happen I know, so I'll continue swuitching bringing traditional builds and UB while its there because its fast, theres no new content expected in GW and it gets the job done, its even made me feel half-assed about the game.

The major bonus is of course I got to spend loads of money on a really cool looking armor set and a tormented shield for Ursan ....I would be a very happy man if that money was wasted and I kid you not (my Warrior would like the shield and the armor will still have its uses so no I wont be giving away the shield should Ursan go 'pooof')

kill it and kill it now is what I say I am bored of the skill, bored of the people who fail so hard at PvE they refuse to think and scared that a game I once loved is declining faster than a lemming in a landslide.

So anyone up for a UB run in DoA?

DoA fix the area not bring in a skill to pwn it because it was so damn hard outside the few classes that got to play.

Ok said enough now.

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03/13/08 18:28

Chrisworld

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I love it, it's a great skill. Nuff said.

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03/13/08 18:30

CorruptNinja

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

Woo! I love you even more EG! Finally someone who I can agree with on Ursan, everything you said is how I feel about it. Much appreciated :P

Oh and Grats on your Mask, dunno if Trib told ya i said that :)

03/13/08 18:33

HackingHippie89

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

03/13/08 18:34

CorruptNinja

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

Since when did ANYTHING in GW require skill :) Just push buttons :P

03/13/08 18:36

YoungBrit

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

Since when did ANYTHING in GW require skill :) Just push buttons :P

Since when did haveing skill require skill, just be like me :O

jokes

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03/13/08 18:39

Evil Geek

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

let me guess PvP player right? Believe it or not good PvE players used to actually think about their skills. Please dont sully this thread with any PvP skillz holier than you PvE nonsense, maybe contribute to the subject at hand?

okthnx. (see I can talk like a PvP player when I want)

Jamnog I want to see your post! I probably wont agree but your posts are always worth the read :)

And thnx for the grats on the ant mask it does look awesome :)

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03/13/08 18:45

Jamnog

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

ahh step away from warrior and say that, with core skills only, in doa, solo... with no armor and an empty skill bar.

also try with no weapon.

edit : I'm going wait till the gin wears off before I post again. Much as I probably speak my mind from the inner depths of my soul when I'm drunk (and I start spelling properly and punctuating{and over using brackets} instead of using commas). I do not think its best to let it all out.

edit 2: ok i posted some junk about oil prices but im going to bed now

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03/13/08 18:58

YoungBrit

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I knew this topic would be fun to read :)

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03/13/08 19:01

Faarr Seer

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

yeah lots of fun to read :P

i was fond of this skill but now it is getting boring, i love comming up with new builds even though half the time i never use them, but now unless your ursan *Kick* :(

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03/13/08 19:05

HackingHippie89

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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It actually DOES ruin the game. There is no skill required anymore. "Oh, you can't play that build? Guys! Let's go ursan!"

<.<

>.>

since when did pve require skill?

ahh step away from warrior and say that, with core skills only, in doa, solo... with no armor and an empty skill bar.

you do know that makes absolutely no sense right?

03/13/08 19:31

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I never really understood why games would have to require "skill". I'm one of those who see games as a way of passing time and having fun, not something that should be taken seriously. Why don't people just pick up sports if they want to be competitive. Alot more useful thing to focus all of that skill and effort of yours, imo.

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03/13/08 19:31

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By your definition, chess shouldn't exist ;-)

Just saying it.

Oh, and I'm neutral on the Ursan issue. Players who didn't get to try it out before now has a chance, but good teams will still do it faster. PvE was on the verge to becoming elitist (Weren't people tired of the holy trinity mentality?) before EoTN, but with the addition of Ursan Blessing we now see a closening of that gap.

Good players will most likely argue that it's bad, while bad/inexperienced ones will argue that it is good and promotes more efficient play. Who's right? Don't look at me, I'm just a poor staffer...

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03/13/08 19:38

Xaviak

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By your definition, chess shouldn't exist ;-)

Meh, emphasis on VIDEOgames. If you're playing chess or poker, everyone knows they're competing. In a MMO like GW, one could be just playing it for fun and the other taking it bit more/too seriously. :P

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03/13/08 19:43

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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By your definition, chess shouldn't exist ;-)

Pff, both you and me know that PvP is pretty stiff in any sort of game.

But I can see what you are trying to say if you'd just leave it to PvE. It should not really matter for you if other teams also complete the same dungeon or mission, eh?

This is where elitist thinking comes into play, GW is a very mathematical game which emphasize a lot on the fact that if you are good at something, you should be able to do it faster/better than the others. So when there all of a sudden pops up a skill that gives equal power to everyone, I can understand that some get angry then. GW was advertised as a game where your level of skill mattered, and you thus got a rush of players who valued that. When you then later get skills that defy the old logic, then yes, you get an uproar.

The GW playerbase is just slightly different I guess. You should realize that, even if you're Finnish =P

:::EDIT:::

To sum it up, I agree with EG to some extent. I'd like there to be viable easy options however, as long as they are slower/less efficient than other methods. Having an easy but tiresome way of doing it shouldn't be a problem if we also have a hard but more profitable way (IE, spending less time) of doing the same task. All in all, I am totally in favour being able to complete a task with as many different tools as possible

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03/13/08 19:50

Evil Geek

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

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By your definition, chess shouldn't exist ;-)

Although in GW the PvP is definately more akin to an e-sport, needs alot of knowledge, fast re-action and constant change to succeed in defeating the current meta...As i'm an old f**t my re-action time is just too slow to cut it, ask anyone whos had the misfortune of me monking in PvE :)

But back on subject - while in the short term Ursan does level the playing field and goes against the elite attitude amongst some PvE players in the long term its creating something much worse, a complete dumbing down. So maybe in some peoples eyes there is no skill in PvE but at least in the harder areas you do need to focus and think about your skill bar and the team build before heading out IF your not going Ursan.

Sure some of us may take the game a little more seriously than others, but for me part of the fun is seeing how other people use their skills even if they totaly suck and you fail, a win shouldnt be guaranteed in every game, wheres the challenge? If your playing a game because you just want to plow through unhindered perhaps you shouldnt be playing a game like GW (well that used to be the case) and isnt the point of a game to have at least some challenge? unless your one of those people who buy a game, hunt for the walkthrough and then start playing....

Any game has challenge thats why i like them thats what I enjoy and gives me fun :)

edit in response to the post posted at the same time :)

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So when there all of a sudden pops up a skill that gives equal power to everyone, I can understand that some get angry then.

there is equal power to everyone before Ursan but sadly not for all areas but i blame that on a narrow minded player base and areas that just weren't designed well enough for all classes to play effectively in.

I hope Im not coming across as an angry elite player here, I just want GW to be the game I fell in love with (yeah I know strong sentiment) but you know almost 3yrs of play - its been alot of fun, the diversity of fun is just dying way too fast for way too many people now, tahts what I would like to see stop. Fix DoA so its more accessible to all the classes and not because they have to play as something other than there class.

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03/13/08 19:58

Xaviak

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By your definition, chess shouldn't exist ;-)

Arf, I realized that my statements were pretty...shabby,but you got the hang of it.:) I find it tarded that elitists ( surrounded by a fortress of energy cans and who cast pewpewlaz0rz from their math b0oks that help them count which skill lay out deals the highest dps with the accuracy of 0.00000x) in their little rooms look down on others. Not saying you're one, but that was what I was going after with my bulletproof theories. :P

Or I just suck at PvP 'cos I can't concentrate well enough and I'm just jealous.

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03/13/08 20:06

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edit in response to the post posted at the same time :)

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So when there all of a sudden pops up a skill that gives equal power to everyone, I can understand that some get angry then.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because everyone has access to a skill, then it doesn't necessary make them as equally good as others. Everyone has got access to spells like WoH or ZB, but a good player will use the skill better than a inexperienced/poor one. The majority of those builds, templates and skills that are good, are those which takes (at least to some extent) skill to use. Mind Blast, Evis-shock-axe, WoH hybrid monk, etc, they all require a good player. A bad player with those builds would almost instantly explode, or just be pathetically useless. They are not equally powered because it's just not using it, it's how and when you use them.

Ursan throws that away because it becomes impossible to say that someone is using their ursan skills "better" than others. That's what I mean when I say it's equally powered for everyone, you get the same effect regardless of the players skill.

And here the debate lies, if this is good for the overall playerbase to have "an easy way out" for areas where they most likely would never venture if not. Should I go and buy a game where I know I might not be able to play all of it because I play a certain profession that doesn't fit the holy trinity?

The balls are in the air, it will be interesting to see how A-net solves the paradox in GW2

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03/13/08 20:20

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So when there all of a sudden pops up a skill that gives equal power to everyone, I can understand that some get angry then.

Sorry to chime in but I don't really agree with that comment as it just shows the main reason why Ursan isn't that great. People before thought you had to be this class in order to do certain areas and had to use certain skills or you weren't worth taking along in their group. What is the different to now with Ursan except its one skill that is fewer repeated skills than an eight skill build.

I use to love the interaction between others but once people got into their head things can only be done one way. I left the PUG groups and went with guild friends or henched everything. I've played the elite areas with all my chars (as I rotate between them) and I feel the so called "areas that just weren't designed well enough for all classes to play effectively in" is all in the skills that were chosen for that class and the idea of that statement comes from those that wont except that someone may play that class to an ability that could be far more useful than they found it to be in that area.

So to end my point on the skill is that I don't think its as much the skills fault as it is the people playing. I myself don't use it but then again I rarely use those cookie cutter builds (that before Ursan came along) were the only ones that people felt could run the areas.

I'm neither here nor there but everywhere. I am who I am and nothing more but yet I'm nothing less than what I strive to be.

03/13/08 20:33

CorruptNinja

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

Although, i have always wondered how all 3 blessings would work in 1 group. Buff each other and stuff?

03/13/08 21:59

camy009

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RE: URSAN BLESSING

I agree with chrisworld. Its a good skill, doesnt need to be changed. But i would like to see some sort of party nerf, like only one person can use a PvE skill.

EX:
P1
UB
Psyco babble

P2
Ravens blessing
summon mursaat

P3
summon imp
smooth criminal

ETC, ETC.
This way the skill stays the same but it doesnt remove the term "hard mode"

03/13/08 22:28

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