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Niko Teraka

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W/Mo, should never happen

I have a tank on my GW acct, and basically i am a true warrior at heart, but it pains me to see all these new warrior noobies thinking that for them to be the best warrior, they have to survive the longest. (correct) but the way they go about this is that they chose monk as a secondary profession. Yes i was one of them, but i realized that why would i have to heal my self when i should be dealing and taking damage while my healer heals me. Now dont get me wrong i have a w/mo farmer, but i see people using mending, and all that other crap.

For all you people who want to be warrior's plan on not having a second profession. Im not saying you shouldn't have one, im just saying that only because warriors are tanks. They are meant to be in the middle of everything. And all of that jazz. What im basically saying is that if you dont want to be called a warrior noob, dont be a monk as your secondary, because then all the real monks get bored because they have nothing to heal. And what makes it worse is that if you have a monk skill (lets say SoR) that spot could be used for something else that could help give damage or what not. Just dont be a monk.

A good second profession for a warrior would be necro. Use MoP. (Mark of Pain) with either trip chop or cyclone, does great amount of AoE. I personally dont use a secondary, i just tank with a w/w build.

So remember if you want to be a good tank, dont be a wamo

03/16/08 13:21

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Welcome to gameamp :D

03/16/08 13:30

CorruptNinja

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Well, W/Mo is good somewhat. Whenever i go W/Mo i use Mending Touch. Im mostly W/E with Conjure Flame/Triple Chop.

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03/16/08 13:38

Belshazaarswrath

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

There is nothing wrong with being a warrior monk. Mending touch for getting rip of blind and crip. Then you can run low energy smite skills. And warrior tanks are not as good as they used to be. An ele or dervish can run tank far better. So they are mainly damage dealers. In pve you can run anything...

In pvp such as ra w/mo is a decent choice do to condition removal and self heals which are necessary there. In high end they are pure damage but they can still bring a monk utility skill just in case.

03/16/08 14:28

Hardstrike

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

its situation and build depending :p not the class in general

03/16/08 14:30

words can heal 110

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

little bit off topic, but does anyone think that empathic removal would be a good idea on a wa/mo?

Ps. first post on GA in ages

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03/16/08 14:57

Niko Teraka

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Thanks for the replies and thanks for the warm welcome :)

There is nothing wrong with being a warrior monk. Mending touch for getting rip of blind and crip. Then you can run low energy smite skills. And warrior tanks are not as good as they used to be. An ele or dervish can run tank far better. So they are mainly damage dealers. In pve you can run anything...

well i would like to disagree with you on that. I like you suggestion where you said tanks are not as good tanks anymore, but warriors do have the highes AL, and i do think that i could out tank any derv and ele, oh and please dont tell me that ele can tank, please, because take a look at their armor and then talk to me, and dont try and throw the obsedia flesh, or kinetic armor at me, because i do not believe in elementalists who think they can tank. They are far better at spiking.

But dont say warrior tanks are not as good as they used to be just because of all the noob wanabe tankers. Meet me up on guildwars and ill show you how to properly tank. Oh and yes i could hold aggro off of you and keep it on me, but its all the matter of having your party stay out of your aggro circle, but thats for another time. Anyways warriors can tank and yes they are the best at it.

Thanks for the replies :)

03/16/08 15:21

Muhgal Bowman

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What evidence can you show me that proves warriors are the best at tanking?

To be good at tanking you need low health and low armor. The AI in Guild Wars searches for the player with the least health and armor. Therefor an ele or monk will be better at tanking than a warrior. Warriors are meant to DPS, pressure, and spike.

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03/16/08 15:40

words can heal 110

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Anyways warriors can tank and yes they are the best at it.

Yes, the blue is true, warriors can tank.

the red imo is a total farse, there are so many better tanks, 55 monks, 600 monks, obsidian flesh eles, stone striker eles, invinci derv, even perma shadow form sin.

03/16/08 15:49

Niko Teraka

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

okay well yes the AI looks for those with less armor, but there is a whole different aspecet of tanking. Well i read this in a forum and its true surprisingly or not. When i aggro a mob, I usually have my party members stay outside my aggro circle so the mobs will not go to them. So yes the mobs will be looking for a lower AL but not if there isn't one. Warriors are very good tanks, and i believe you all have the definition of tank wrong. A tank, in a game, is the person the takes all the damage. Well warriors being with the highest armor are best for that. So, dont tell me a warrior cant tank when I can easily hold aggro off. But it all depends on whether or not you have idiots for party members. If you are a warrior make sure your party members do not enter your circle or the mobs will go to them. Otherwise a tank can sit there deal and take damage while the monk heals him and the casters being mesmer, ele, necro, and plus the ranger stand outside the circle and attack them. Thats why sins are usually not good in groups when you have a warrior. So there is your problem to the AI looking for a lower AL :)

03/16/08 16:13

hikimi

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

disagree with the warriors are purely tanks stuff. i used to be a w/mo its actually all right in some of the high end areas incase a foe slips by you. it lets the monk heal the casters for a sec without worryin bout you going down.
but the main purpose of warriors imo is to be a mennace to casters. probably as much as rangers and as effective caster killers. ive always done it. i never botherecd tanking i just ran straight to thier casters and killed em. same for pvp.

03/16/08 16:37

Brother Fork

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Ehm.. some monk skills can be good for warriors.. like Mending Touch for Contition Removal in RA. And please do notice thyat i haven't even mentioned the best
skills ever,for W/mos (that was supposed to be a joke, lame huh?)

Oh, I almost forgot Welcome to Gameamp!

03/16/08 16:58

Jamnog

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Welcome to game amp. Personally I would say dismiss condition or smite hex might be good on occasion if you are taking hench they tend to just heal over the top of things like blind
plague touch perhaps. the main important skill would be resurrect.

03/16/08 17:02

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

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little bit off topic, but does anyone think that empathic removal would be a good idea on a wa/mo?

Ps. first post on GA in ages

Edit: Welcome :)

I think saw that in a PvP build one time, it would pull hexes off of monks and stuff.

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03/16/08 17:19

Keo

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

I'd like to see some of the Ele farms done with a Warrior or a Warrior tank in UW quite as easily.

The truth is Enchants can do so much more than pure armour buffs and stances...if you want a tank, an immobile block, an anvil on which to crush your foes...use an Ele.

You'd get on well with Rogue, Warriors are for damage and since the arrival of Devishes and some awesome Ele buffs that's all they have left. Run in, kill the casters and don't stop hacking until everything is dead.

As for not going W/Mo I find that having Rebirth can be a game saver in some tougher areas since the War is often the last one standing and the only one able to run away!

From a PvE point of view having Monk as your secondary can be bloody useful.

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03/16/08 17:32

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03/16/08 17:36

Niko Teraka

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03/16/08 17:43

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Oh alright, thanks for clearing everything up. I didn't know taking a hard res such as Rebirth would help in PvE, cause you know I LOVE resurrection signet in PvE. Oh, I have conditions, you know what, I think I'm just gonna leave them on there, or I can take Mending Touch.

After 27 months of pure PvE, W/Mo is STILL a great combination. I don't care what people say, I loved using Live Vicariously when I still played my warrior, it provided enough health, same as Healing Hands(ftw). The reason most players choose Monk secondary is for the hard res (a res that can be used more than once). For PvP, you might be right about the Wa/Mo sucks, I'm not sure, I don't PvP.

03/16/08 19:01

Niko Teraka

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

yse we all love the res, but we can all get around that through fomf lol (flesh of my flesh) haha but rebirth would probably be the only reason why i would ever have a monk as as a secondary in pve. (depends on the situation, whether im farming or not, but in reg pve that stands true)

03/16/08 19:04

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i didnt really read all the last posts, but why would you use rebirth when your a tank in PvE? Or did the skill get mized around before i stopped?

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03/16/08 19:47

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

I always think that warriors are best at survivng for a pretty good time, but the main part of the warrior is damage dealing. Plus, theirs nothing wrong with a W/Mo, 90% of my characters have monk for a 2nd profession, but dont use any monk skills.

03/16/08 20:03

Mari Wolfe

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

IT all depends on what you expect to face as to weather you go W/Mo or something else.

For example against undead judges insight is great.

If there is no enchant strip, retrebution + holy wrath is brilliant at redirecting the damage back (Used it to beet the dopleganger in HM).

Or if you need a lot of health try combinig vital blessing, defy pain ad endure pain which when combined could give 800 extra health.

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03/16/08 21:27

Belshazaarswrath

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

A.
The best tanks are not warriors. They have straight up armor but after that there isn't much. An ele can get around 120 armor and -32 dmg received with sfa and armor of earth. They cna keep this up indefinitely. You add obby o that and you have a combo that no warrior can ever ever no matter the weather ever ever ever ever touch.

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A Warrior having a monk secondary is fine. As long as you don't bring like...mending strength and honor and retribution at the same time your gewd.

Show me a warrior that can tank 36 lvl 24 vaettris at once and I will show you a hacker :)

03/16/08 22:10

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

If you put all sup runes on your warrior to lower their hp, would that make the AI go for them, or would the armor level still make them look to a squishy target with the same or more HP?

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03/16/08 22:19

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

AI goes for health first, but in an equal health situation they go for lower armor. I'm about 93% sure.

Just keep your health high, stick aegis on a hero and use frenzy and spam adren attacks. Then you can do well in PvE.

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03/17/08 01:06

Niko Teraka

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wow this is starting to be a noob thread. Meet up on GW and i will show you all how to tank. Please do not tell me what my job is and how and ele can do it better. Becausei can take out your ele like its wiping my nose on your pitiful armor. Haha, sorry i just get so mad when eles think they can do a tanks job. If you wana do our job then get a sword and shield. Me and everyother warrior who KNOWS what they're doing can out tank anyone. If anyone wants to meet me up in GW i can show you how to PROPERLY tank, and how to HOLD AGGRO off. heck i will even show you how to properly take down mobs, if you wana tank then be a warrior, and dont be a wanabe warrior, do your job and do it right, if your an ele, freaking stick to casting, its what your good at, oh and ever spell is strippable. Warriors come with the real armor, we dont have to cast ours just to tank. Damn, some people are really noobs on guild wars. Sorry not trying to come off harsh here, but you have to understand, why do you think anet gave warriors 80 armor, why do you think we have the skills we do. Eles have the skills they do, not to tank, but to protect themselves when they are being attacked. So please dont take this in a bad way, im just tired, literally, and tired of people thinking eles can tank well. Otherwise they are good at everything else :)

03/17/08 01:08

Jamnog

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Heh I'm no Ele but I think in some circumstances an ele makes a pretty good tank.

http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guide/viewGui...67.php!orderBy=
http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guide/viewGui...42.php!orderBy=
http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guide/viewGui...44.php!orderBy=

I could be wrong

03/17/08 02:07

Niko Teraka

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

okay so its a pitcture of an ele with a bunch of red zeroes....your point? do you know the definition of tank, a tank is someone who can take damage but also deal it back, it doesn't look like i see any yellow numbers....i could be wrong ^_^

03/17/08 02:54

hikimi

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

hey niko chill for a sec dude. i dont like it much either but the role of warriors as a tank isnt as big as it used to be.
eles and dervs are taking that role more often now. this is because they have thier own enchants so they can keep up damage absorbing for longer. so only one or two monks are needed for them. the derv is the ultimate tank.itmhas armor buffs high helf and a ton of self heals. one monk with some good damage absorbers and one or two high end heals and youcan effectivly tank forever. i do it i dont even have a derv that dedicated to tanking(i chose spike damage instead)but he still survives almost everythin anyone else throws at him.(well am not gonna throw stuff at him it could upset him)

03/17/08 03:52

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RE: W/Mo, should never happen

Welcome to GA :)

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That picture is obviously an Ele doing Glints, no doubt Sliver Armor was in the skillbar but just not active when that screenshot was taken, if it was active you would have seen lots and lots of yellow numbers, very high damage output from Sliver.

Primarily the job of a tank is to hold the aggro either while the rest of the party is concentrating on another mob or to get the foes nicely balled up so the casters can do the damage, IMO that is the primary purpose when a tank is called for, damage is secondary and an added bonus.

An Obsitank Ele is just very good at it - invulnerable to spells , spells that boost armor, reduce damage and maintained energy along with a higher energy pool in the first place.

Found a picture form the same guide that Trinkini lifted that pic from showing the dmg output :)

Edit: Just to point out then we are talking about 'tanks' we aren't talking about warriors we are talking about a specific job.

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