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Perceptor II

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Dealing with a griefer

So here's the story: yesterday I began a dark/psi defender. As I've seldom played as a defender and was unfamiliar with these power sets, I spent the first couple levels patrolling the area around Atlas Plaza solo just to get the hang of using my powers. However, as I was approaching level 3 I seemed to attract a "friend". I would suddenly find the foes I was fighting finished off with a green blast. Then I would turn to go after a group of 3 Hellions, only to watch a small green orb be tossed from somewhere and completely obliterate the whole group before I'd even had the chance to draw aggro. I looked around but saw no one.

After this happening again and again, I finally got this message over chat: "I AM THE YOUNG ONE!" Obviously this was a griefer. I never responded back. Eventually he found some other shiny object to distract him.

I looked up the name a little later. Turns out he was a level 36 defender with radiation blast. I also found him under the Atlas status later confronted by two very peeved heroes.

So what should I or someone else do if they encounter this sort of player? Report him to support? Ignore him and wait for him to go away? Just be glad someone sought to prove that there really are people dumber and lamer than me? Your thoughts, please.

04/07/08 13:24

Thundarpants

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

To be sure... report him. That is griefing, and if enough people report him, then it can be a bannable offense. If you don't report that player then they will never get in trouble for it. Start by putting him on your global ignore list by character name. That will give you their global handle to use for the report.

If you had an alt on a different level, now would probably be the time to go play it.

Avoid outdoor kill missions. He cannot follow you through an instance door.

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04/07/08 13:36

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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instance door.

WoW much? Heh =P

Anyways, yeah report him. He can go on Griefing if peopledon't report him, which can end in a bad time for a LOT of people. Check combat log to see his name, get his global from global ignore (As Thunar said) and report him.

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04/07/08 13:43

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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instance door.

In all MMOs with missions or quests that call for zoning onto an individual map, they are called Instances. It's the gaming/development term and isn't limited to any one specific game. We call em Missions, others call them quests or raids, but if you have to zone to do it, it's an instance.

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04/07/08 14:10

thedarkarsenal

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

Ignoring the semantics, it sounds to me that whoever it was had a case of boredom. I've been known to put the hurt on Hellions in Atlas after getting my butt kicked previously. Obviously detracting from your play time is going to be frowned upon (especially if it's a griefer). One surefire thing that puts a halt to them; stop. Just stop whatever you are doing for about 5 minutes, leave your computer, grab a drink or snack, and come back. Chances are, in that 5 minutes where you have been standing there, the griefer's short attention span will have reached its limit, and will head off to look for other prey. Now this might not be practical if he start to follow you again, so if worse comes to worse, grab some indoor missions.

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04/07/08 14:44

Mech beta

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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Well, I played WoW too much before to know it, mistakes happen =D....And about that SS/Stone build, can ya post the codes so I can import it?

04/07/08 15:53

Thundarpants

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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instance door.

WoW much? Heh =P

LOL.... yeah. But the major beauty of the CoH series is that you can solo an instance/mission and the mission diffuculty scales with the team size AND you can adjust your difficulty. In WoW, if I wanted to run an instance, I gotta have a Tank, Healer, Crowd Control and DPS or I'm stuck doing outdoor stuff.

Oh, how I miss my CoH some days.

Now when the Wow servers ae down I log on my Fire/Kin and either hang around Miss Liberty handing out SB to everyone, or go to the entrance of the Hollows and do the same.

What ever happened to random acts of kindness when folks get bored? Doesn't anyone run around and hand out uber buffs for no reason any more?

If that loser was Radiation, he could have just healed the lowbie or given them AB so they could grind past Atlas faster.

If you ever see Asphalt Mage in Atlas Park or the Hollows you know what evil is affoot.... THE WOW SERVERS ARE DOWN! /e cry

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04/07/08 15:56

Perceptor II

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

I have done that while running through Atlas with my level 29 tanker. Sometimes it feels good to take down a Hellion or Clock with one swing of the hammer, even if you don't get any XP. But I know not to interfere with younger heroes trying to build themselves up. I definitely know enough not to deliberately follow someone around and interfere with them trying to get XP like this guy was doing. And I especially don't taunt young heroes and tell them just how "uber" I am.

As far as semantics, I reserve the term "griefing" for deliberate harassment. And it should be said that after over three months of playing this game almost every night, this is the first instance of truly intentional griefing I've witnessed.

There are plenty of real do-gooders (pardon the pun) in the game. Later in the same session I joined with a sewer team. While down there we were accompanied by a high-level empathy defender who gave out free heals and rezzes.

I'm an incurable altoholic, but most recently I've played as these characters:

Abana (hero, Champion), lvl 35 mag tanker, stone/stone/fit
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04/07/08 16:58

thedarkarsenal

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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Oh, the "semantics" wasn't directed at you. It was meant for this:

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instance door.

Sorry if I wrote something the wrong way >.<

04/07/08 17:01

Midnight-Ice

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

i would guess "griefer" is a player that finds a way to go under the map and harass people?

i had that a lot, i just ended up ignoring them and reporting them... and eventually i never saw the griefer again :D

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Once i was a very young (newbish) player i was in Port Oakes with my MM, i was lvl 15 and somewhat, i DCed and when i came back and found my self under the map!! now i was a newb and i didnt know how ti get out, there was water everywhere i flew up and saw Hellions.. and i attacked them, but my bots couldn't, i waited.. for my response from the devs little helpers. i was so bored i roamed around and saw something... a dark hole, more like and edge, i didnt want to jump, i thought if i jumped i would be stuck there for ever! but i ended up back up the map.
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04/07/08 20:22

thedarkarsenal

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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i would guess "griefer" is a player that finds a way to go under the map and harass people?

Well, you're HALF right. Griefers do go out of the way to harass others, but not exactly under the map.
>.>

04/07/08 20:35

Donovan Wolf

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

Aye a griefer will either follow you and kill off the baddies that your trying to get xp off of. Or the more malicious kind will herd a mob of baddies right on top of you, killing you.

Back in the old days, before enhancement diversification you had to be careful at the atlas entrance in the hollows. There were some people who would run tanks and herd a huge mob (were talking 50+ trolls and outcasts) and run right into the entrance where some people thought they were safe. Sure there were drones there, but not enough to fight that many at once, and alot of heroes would die that day. Maybe that was why we all got that huge nerf bat? I digress.

On a more recent note. Last week I woke up early to get a little game time in before I got ready for work. I logged in my lvl 50pb for a little street hunting in peregrin isle. I was having a good time, then I saw something almost on top of me that made me hit my space bar hard and fly way up into the sky. Apparently there were 3 "heroes" one had radiation infection on a devouring earth giant monster and decided to take it for a walk right down main street peregrin. Another "hero" had a second GM right behind the other one. I didnt get hurt, and landed up on a building top, but still overlooking the whole spectactle. I sent out a broadcast warning the zone to beware of the lunatics and their GM's. No sooner than I did that the 3 "heroes" began screaming on broadcast to have ME reported for griefing with the giant monsters that they brought in. I was disgusted by all this and logged. How does anyone deal with that?

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04/08/08 07:46

Chuck Bronco

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

Someone was taking not one but 2 GMs for a walk?

They had to drag them from the northern end of the island.

I'm curious to find out exactly what they were doing that for.

Had I witnessed something like that I think I would have sent a "Broadcast" warning as well. I havnt seen anything like that before.

I just hate it when people dont clear up their exit mish ambushes and drag them past me. Probably not intentional but still annoying.

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04/08/08 08:59

robot mind

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

Yeah, you did the right thing wolf.
...i guess some people are just jerks.

I'm not a altoholic...no really i only have 1000+ toons...thats not..really...never mind.

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04/08/08 09:22

blackphoenix

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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If you had an alt on a different level, now would probably be the time to go play it.

Avoid outdoor kill missions. He cannot follow you through an instance door.

This is what I would recommend, in addition to reporting him.

Although, I've found that when a griefer starts, the best way to get rid of them is to remove the actions that are prompting his griefing. If you're just grinding on some baddies, and he starts kill stealing, /e boombox and dance for a bit. Or, /e newspaper, /e laptop, etc etc, you get the idea. Usually griefers have a short attention span, so if you start emoting, or just doing something that they can't interfere with, they tend to wander off after 3-5 minutes since they can no longer cause you frustration.

The only problem with this solution is that they may join you, or they may decide they like you and mistakenly think you like them back. Just remember to emote responsibly and at your own risk.

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04/08/08 09:23

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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They drag the GM's all the way up to where Castle is in the Portal Corp area...the GM's then wreak havok, killing craploads of lowbies and level 50's to boot.

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04/08/08 09:55

Chuck Bronco

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

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They drag the GM's all the way up to where Castle is in the Portal Corp area...the GM's then wreak havok, killing craploads of lowbies and level 50's to boot.

I did come across a snow beast once in the portal area. It was during a winter event though. And there were enough heroes in the area to put him down. Was a bit of a surprise stepping out of the buildings and seeing a giant Frosty.

04/08/08 10:11

Perceptor II

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

Looking back, I think there were some good and bad things I did with my particular griefer.

THE GOOD: I didn't respond to him. I didn't complain or tell him to buzz off or insult him or try to reason with him. So eventually I got boring and he left.

THE BAD: I didn't report him, even after I caught him harassing other players. I should have filed a conduct report.

Also, in my younger days I did once lead a large mob into a "protected area", but not to harass people. I'd run into a large group of Clockwork in Kings Row building something very large (this was before I knew what a "Paladin" was :-P) and tried to take out a few by myself. Well, then Mr Rusty Pants went on his merry rampaging way and I found myself being attacks by about 40 clocks.

I'd run a long way away, take down a small group of Skulls only to have the mob catch up. I'd fight them off, get away, run a very long distance, only to have them track me down and attack me again. I eventually found that I was close to Freedom Plaza, so I ran up the steps thinking they either wouldn't follow or the drones would take them out. A bunch of them did follow me, but I fought back and the other heroes there also fought back.

That's the main reason why I'm forgiving of "unintentional griefing", because I was a st00pid n00b once. But if it's obviously intentional, it definitely gets my blood boiling.

04/08/08 13:21

Thundarpants

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RE: Dealing with a griefer

See, that's actually an ammusing story. Unintentional griefing isn't griefing at all. It just plain ole bad luck sometimes.

I've had some serious lag time between ambushes or mobs that held aggro long after they really should of. The suprise of hero that they are still getting attacked is as much a suprise to them as the rest of the folks in a populated area.

Try being on an 8 player team and the ambush comes 20 minutes after everyone exits. You decide to go bio or get a soda and find yourself the only one at the mission exit. You barely escape with your life and head for the nearest zone exit where drones and the actual zone barrier will block them.

When you drag that nasty ambush to the area, you aren't greifing......you are flee'ing for your life. Big......and most ammusing difference...... RUN FOREST..... RUUUUUN!

And dragging GM's to the portal area in PI is so last decade. They were pulling that stunt years ago. On heavy population nights, the heroes usually just pound on them. But on a night when only a few are on, or there are a lot AFK. the AoE's generally kill a few before they can hit a doorway to Portal Corp.

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04/08/08 16:53

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