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Mimori
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The easiest thing to notice lately is people’s negative attitudes and behavior on this forum. Guild Wars may be an older game now, part two is nearing the shelf, and the immaturity here is rising.
Personally, I’d rather see the majority of these users banned and this site having fewer members…compared to having people who are just here to argue...
Some of the common arguments begin over:
Posting Etiquette
Basically this is how you present yourself on the forums. Typing in capitals, punctuation, spelling, and grammar make post harder to read. It leaves your post open to misunderstandings and eventually fights.
Language
This site isn’t just for adults. You do have to keep in mind younger viewers visit the site. Insulting or improper language shouldn’t be something a mod has to continuously edit out of your post. Think before you type.
Spam
You shouldn’t post in a forum posting over and over again that that topic should be locked…eventually an admin will get around to doing it.
“Issue” Threads
If there’s a question/or problem with someone from the administration team or member of the site, PM (private message) them. DON’T make a thread to complain about a person or admin...especially directly calling them out.
Keep this sort of discussion in a private message…
- Try to help one another whenever possible.
- If you’re having a discussion, try to keep the discussion from becoming a heated one. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. There is something wrong about behaving like a two year old about it.
- The forums should be fun and useful.
I’m going to keep posting and submit things to the site…
I don’t think its lost hope. I’m not that pessimistic.
But maybe the administration team needs to consider spring cleaning members if things don’t improve…
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| 05/01/08 22:52 |
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if "these users" get banned although it may be a friendlier place it would also be completely inactive.
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| 05/01/08 23:05 |
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is that a new avatar?
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| 05/01/08 23:11 |
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Well said Mimori!
I think it would be a good idea to draw people's attention to THIS once more. Might be prudent for everyone to give it a good read again. From what I've seen from today alone, there has be some rampant breaking of these forum rules.
GW@GameAMP is a great community. We've prided ourselves on being helpful and welcoming to anybody who bothers to stop by. What I've seen recently is that this "pride" has dwindled significantly. Now is the time for all of us to realize that and choose to make a change here. Let's get that pride back! Let's be proud of what we've been able to accomplish (and can still accomplish) as a community!
Guild Wars is not dead and neither is GW@GameAMP!!!
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| 05/01/08 23:20 |
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If people can't write their opinion, it's not much of a forum huh?
Big Brother is watching you
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| 05/01/08 23:30 |
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Sticky this imo. And Beano, we never lost that pride, the people we know made this community great are mostly gone, along with the game slowing (not an unexpected thing, all MMOs die at some point.) and those people leaving for other games.
People need to step up to the plate and encourage "things" not sure what, but something out of everyone.
Admins need to do less behind the sceens and more posting, no offence guys but when posts like Dear Aeon go unlocked... thats just not good guys.
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| 05/01/08 23:35 |
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wanna know why im incredibly inactive on this site? well Mim just put the words in my mouth. Theres no reason for me to even post or try to help, caus half of the time the thread always ends in a flame fest or some rant.
It is bloody high time that we fix this forum, I'd much rather have less activity and better quality. All for say Aye!
sticky this and kick some butt. And also, if you dont have anything constructive or positive to say then be quiet. There is enough negativity in this world, most people come here and in game to get away from that negativity, other people bring it here. Lets make this a safe haven, I remember the day when the policy "flamers will be banned" was made ... what happened .... I think this goes beyond "flaming" ... they stopped with the traditional method and found a different way to do it ...
common people, wtf is wrong ... why cant we all get along and be nice? its not that freaking hard, all you have to do is think twice before you hit "post" ....
Mim, you have my 100% support on this. Im sick and tired of the things you are talking about, and its high time that its dealt with!
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| 05/01/08 23:45 |
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How about we put the flammers will be banned back, keep R&R, flaming can happen there, R&R posts don't show up on top 5?
Kay? Kay.
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| 05/01/08 23:48 |
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Mimori
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Glad you guys read it. =)
I don’t mind opinions being stated. I just think its silly to see so many flames and fights starting up because people can’t find anything else to talk about.
“Can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all” =p
| QUOTE | If people can't write their opinion, it's not much of a forum huh?
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Read this part:
If you’re having a discussion, try to keep the discussion from becoming a heated one. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. There is something wrong about behaving like a two year old about it.
Hehe. There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion. It's all about how you state it that’s been the problem.
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| QUOTE | How about we put the flammers will be banned back, keep R&R, flaming can happen there, R&R posts don't show up on top 5?
Kay? Kay. |
your a genius :) lol ... indeed that would work for me!
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not to mention if you look at the great teacher Confucias, he strongly urged for compromise and respect. Flamers display NONE of that. If they would show respect in their posts, either their post would be nice and to the point, or at least meet some sort of compromise.
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| 05/01/08 23:49 |
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might aswell remove the forum topics and just keep off topic, NOTHING here is about Guild Wars anymore. And when we have discussions about Gulild Wars it is Ursan and im FINE with that since URsan suck!
Edit: yeah yeah, i brought up Ursan here. Neg cred me plizz!
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I swear, SOMEONE IS HOAXING MY POSTS TO MAKE MY GRAMMAR LOOK BAD!
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| 05/02/08 01:04 |
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| QUOTE | | Edit: yeah yeah, i brought up Ursan here. Neg cred me plizz! |
Only people with 1500+ cred can neg fyi, atleast thats what it used to be...
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| 05/02/08 01:07 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | How about we put the flammers will be banned back, keep R&R, flaming can happen there, R&R posts don't show up on top 5?
Kay? Kay. |
your a genius :) lol ... indeed that would work for me!
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not to mention if you look at the great teacher Confucias, he strongly urged for compromise and respect. Flamers display NONE of that. If they would show respect in their posts, either their post would be nice and to the point, or at least meet some sort of compromise. |
Oh yeah that got him far pretty sure hes dead now.
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| 05/02/08 01:20 |
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| QUOTE | might aswell remove the forum topics and just keep off topic, NOTHING here is about Guild Wars anymore. And when we have discussions about Gulild Wars it is Ursan and im FINE with that since URsan suck!
Edit: yeah yeah, i brought up Ursan here. Neg cred me plizz! |
That’s rather inaccurate considering I have a pretty new post questioning if anyone wants to vanquish with me… And it actually spawned some interest from a few members.
The game isn’t isolated around Ursan; nor are these forums “all” about it. My post isn’t even about Ursan. I never mentioned it. But thanks for pointing out exactly why I wrote the topic. =)
| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | QUOTE | How about we put the flammers will be banned back, keep R&R, flaming can happen there, R&R posts don't show up on top 5?
Kay? Kay. |
your a genius :) lol ... indeed that would work for me!
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not to mention if you look at the great teacher Confucias, he strongly urged for compromise and respect. Flamers display NONE of that. If they would show respect in their posts, either their post would be nice and to the point, or at least meet some sort of compromise. |
Oh yeah that got him far pretty sure hes dead now. |
Everyone dies at some point. Confucius is just a philosopher who emphasized honesty, accuracy, justice and sincerity. His teachings influenced Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese lifestyles. If you ask me…that is getting pretty far.
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| 05/02/08 01:33 |
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I'd go along with not having R&R posts on the top five. Or somehow limit it to just one at a time (not sure how you'd do that without one R&R thread becoming THE ONE that everyone posts in, just because its always there).
True there isn't much game news, but people are still posting asking for help in areas and missions, or asking about guilds, etc, and I hate to see these posts get buried.
I expect as we get closer to GW2, and especially after its release, these fora will once again be alive more with game content than with personality clashes. Its just that we're quite far from it. Personally, I'm hoping for big news at PAX (gonna try to get up there this time, so I can give live reports, lol).
I don't say much here except when there is news, because its the news that interests me. Hmm, gonna go see if I can dig anything more up... ;-)
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| 05/02/08 01:41 |
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Hehe, I tend to post when its Guild Wars related or something site related.
I’ve just noticed no one decided to step up and throw down the obvious that’s keeping good players away from the site... There have been a few posts of members leaving for those arguments listed… =) and some are just staying quiet and not bothering to post because of them.
I just believe that the administration teams needs to consider enforcing the rules more.
Might make some people upset. But in the long run…I think we’d get more members in return. (Even if they’re newer players)…
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| 05/02/08 01:56 |
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Just saw this topic and wanted to say: well said/put Mimori.
You just stated exactly why i look at this forum about 5 mins a day instead of the 9 hours i spend per day in past days. I might have not looked at it constantly; but it was always minimised on my taskbar; both at home as at work.
The past 2 months i have seen the general attitude de-generate to something we always have said we were proud NOT to have: eeg meaningless posts, noobbashing (because someone didnt know something), flamefests because a person is less liked etc. In other words: the attitude de-generated to GURU levels; of which all here used to laugh about.
I have read 5 different posts about Ursan; all stating the same thing (except for one that stated what i think: its there; use it or dont; move on). It is almost of people here try so hard to make people believe what they think is truth. Sometimes i even wonder if people realise that this is a game. Something to spend free time in for leisure. I understand that people are passionate about GW; but there is a degree from passion to obsession. The amount of times that it is said: PvE sux; it's too easy is amazing. If you think its too easy: drop your heros equip alesia and rayna and do it the proph-way. make the game interesting again for yourself. Hence the reason that i (and now some people who remember me will drop off their chairs) moved on to PvP. I try to train myself a bit in RA and TA and with the guild (now even more people will faint since they know what [MU] is known for) we are preparing for GvG's. And you know what? There is no ursan in PvP! Problem solved ;)
Anyway before i start to ramble on to how people can make GW@AMP a better place again; If someone posts; stick to the OP and dont start typing totally random things. You might think it's 'funny' but people like me will just click back to wiki or whatever. I come here to read and share about GW; not to see lolcats, personal attacks or whatever. If a topic dies within 3 posts; then so be it. If one of the posts contains the answer sought for; then the OP has done its purpose. No need to make it 3 pages of random trolling about how supid the question might have been.
If you disagree with a post; just make sure to tell as to WHY you disagree in a normal and respectful way; dont start posting shouts, flame or whatever straight away. Because 1: you will lose all respect from other members; 2: (and this is my opinion) it makes you look like an idiot.
I think some people will need to take a look at themselves.
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| 05/02/08 01:56 |
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God I wish you two were still staff sometimes lol...
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| 05/02/08 02:20 |
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| QUOTE | Spam
You shouldn’t post in a forum posting over and over again that that topic should be locked…eventually an admin will get around to doing it. |
Lol, I only come here to cause drama, but I'll behave Mim :(
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| 05/02/08 05:42 |
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| QUOTE | | The easiest thing to notice lately is people’s negative attitudes and behavior on this forum. Guild Wars may be an older game now, part two is nearing the shelf, and the immaturity here is rising. |
Nobody is perfect. You can't tell me you've never seen anything in a negative way. The fact that some seem to be constantly negative is due to the fact that in a game which has been out so long, that all the fundamental behind-the-scenes mechanics are known, there really isn't much room for silly mistakes.
| QUOTE | | Personally, I’d rather see the majority of these users banned and this site having fewer members…compared to having people who are just here to argue... |
If you just want a certain type of people, why not make your own forum, with your friends, where everyone will be exactly how you want them? No 1 member of this forum should be able to say what sort of attitude people should have, and who should get banned.
| QUOTE | Posting Etiquette
Basically this is how you present yourself on the forums. Typing in capitals, punctuation, spelling, and grammar make post harder to read. It leaves your post open to misunderstandings and eventually fights. |
People playing an M rated game should at least be able to type coherently.
| QUOTE | Language
This site isn’t just for adults. You do have to keep in mind younger viewers visit the site. Insulting or improper language shouldn’t be something a mod has to continuously edit out of your post. Think before you type. |
An M rated game - people not old enough to not find commonly used words offensive are definitely not mature. I'm sure you hear it all the time in real life, why should an internet forum about a game for mature people be different? To be honest, editing the words annoys me more - we know exactly what you want to say, just say it - stuff like f***,ship etc look babyish, and kitten, muffin, etc just look like the person is bordering on mentally handicapped.
| QUOTE | Spam
You shouldn’t post in a forum posting over and over again that that topic should be locked…eventually an admin will get around to doing it. |
Spam is annoying. +1s mean nothing.
| QUOTE | “Issue” Threads
If there’s a question/or problem with someone from the administration team or member of the site, PM (private message) them. DON’T make a thread to complain about a person or admin...especially directly calling them out. |
Actually, a public version lets people see what is going on - none of the behind the scenes crap. If multiple people have a problem with 1 person, why not let them all say it? Maybe some people will be exposed as not quite what they portray themselves to be...
| QUOTE | | But maybe the administration team needs to consider spring cleaning members if things don’t improve… |
With that attitude, maybe you are one of the people they should consider. There is no need to be all high and mighty - you are no more important than, say, Blazings, Wyat_Hawke, or even some of the previously banned people. The community is the whole of what you have, not some jaded ideal.
| QUOTE | | “Can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all” =p |
That's what you say to kids. I would hope that "mature" people have a thick enough skin to be able to handle some criticism. If not, I think they need to seriously re-consider whether they should be out in the big scary world where everything isn't revolving around them.
Right, before I address the next few points, lets keep in mind that its an M rated game.
| QUOTE | | How about we put the flammers will be banned back |
No thanks. That just encourages people to not bother thinking about their posts. If there is no penalty for posting stupid stuff, why bother checking to see if what you have written is actually good? It also encourages whining, since everything remotely negative eventually gets called flaming. The problem is not people flaming. The problem is people being unable to handle it.
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Feel free to pm me ingame if you have any Qs about what I say or about game mechanics, or just wanna talk random crap :p
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| 05/02/08 06:16 |
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| QUOTE | | Right, before I address the next few points, lets keep in mind that its an M rated game. |
You are talking about Guild Wars, right?
Last I checked it was Rated T...
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| 05/02/08 06:23 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Right, before I address the next few points, lets keep in mind that its an M rated game. |
You are talking about Guild Wars, right?
Last I checked it was Rated T... |
Ah, yea, my bad.
In that case, vulgar language will be even more common - I've heard more "foul" language in a school playground than anywhere else.
They're just words, deal with them.
Feel free to pm me ingame if you have any Qs about what I say or about game mechanics, or just wanna talk random crap :p
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| 05/02/08 06:29 |
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| QUOTE | | if "these users" get banned although it may be a friendlier place it would also be completely inactive. |
And more attacks, you gotta think of more attacks because banned users used to keep comming back on different IP'S and Proxies and messin with us.
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| 05/02/08 07:00 |
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Aeon hon, you kind of missed my point.
| QUOTE | | Nobody is perfect. You can't tell me you've never seen anything in a negative way. The fact that some seem to be constantly negative is due to the fact that in a game which has been out so long, that all the fundamental behind-the-scenes mechanics are known, there really isn't much room for silly mistakes. |
I didn’t tell you I’ve never seen anything negative. Those who are constantly negative have no real need to be. There are still people joining Guild Wars-as new players… My boyfriend just joined for example.
The game may have been out for a long time. But that doesn’t mean everyone has played as long/as often/etc…
| QUOTE | | If you just want a certain type of people, why not make your own forum, with your friends, where everyone will be exactly how you want them? No 1 member of this forum should be able to say what sort of attitude people should have, and who should get banned. |
I don’t want a certain type of people. I’ve been apart of other forums where the administration kept it under control. Meaning, there weren’t flames consonantly. Did you read the rules of the forum? All I’ve basically stated was rules the members are supposed to be following. I would just like to see them enforced.
| QUOTE | | Actually, a public version lets people see what is going on - none of the behind the scenes crap. If multiple people have a problem with 1 person, why not let them all say it? Maybe some people will be exposed as not quite what they portray themselves to be... |
Experience. It causes e-drama. =) Like you said though Aeon, if one member of this forum can’t pick the attitude of a member, why can they decide to publicly bash another? What exactly does it accomplish then? Interventions are great and all. But if it’s a huge issue, why do you feel the need to express it to every member of the community?
Personally, I don’t understand why there would be a need to “publicly bash” a member. If multiple people have a problem with them…why don’t those multiple people bring it up separately? Is there some form of accomplishment trying to make someone upset?
| QUOTE | | With that attitude, maybe you are one of the people they should consider. There is no need to be all high and mighty - you are no more important than, say, Blazings, Wyat_Hawke, or even some of the previously banned people. The community is the whole of what you have, not some jaded ideal. |
The admins have spring cleaned before hon. =) I’m not acting all high and mighty.
I’ve read your post before Aeon, you’re big on stating opinions. Which is a good thing usually, but you yourself come off rather “high and mighty” as you so kindly labeled me.
| QUOTE | That's what you say to kids. I would hope that "mature" people have a thick enough skin to be able to handle some criticism. If not, I think they need to seriously re-consider whether they should be out in the big scary world where everything isn't revolving around them.
Right, before I address the next few points, lets keep in mind that its an M rated game. |
It’s a saying that most people know. Try and lighten up some. You don’t have to take every post I type here and turn it into such a serious discussion like you’re defending yourself. You aren’t really proving anything to me… except you want to feel right about everything. =)
I have other things that are a bit more important right now then to continue this back and forth. So cheers hon =) good luck and have fun in game and on the forums.
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Well said Mim.
Half the reason I hardly post here is because of the flame fests, and negativity. I've gotten a lot of useful info from this site and some decent feedback on screenshots, but it seems that lately a lot of members come here to bicker and fight.
Let's all try and get along, when GW 2 comes out it may only get worse. I hope that isn't the case.
Thanks for the sig, Mim!!
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| 05/02/08 08:13 |
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I'm hoping when GW2 comes out, it'll be a fresh game with new ideas and concepts. Sure there's gonna be people who hate it and compare it to another MMO I won't mention. I just like to stir up things because there really isn't anything new to do in GW :) Gets boring easily nowadays.
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| 05/02/08 08:34 |
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i must agree with both , my account is new yes but ive been comming here for about 2 years. i used to post under a name i forgot prob soemthing liek artex nightowl, anyway , i quit posting cuz of stuf like this , i like good discussions , but that is not why i come to forums like these , its cuz of mim's vanquishing post to name an example, post which you see only once in a month
im not saying how the forum should be , just stating that i get why people leave this forum
i made a new account to look for a new guild else i wouldnt even have done it , eventho there are some great members here i know from the amp alliance from back in the day
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| 05/02/08 08:50 |
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pfff i don't see what the big deal is.. ppl come to the site and eventually leave if they can't adapt or don't fit in with the people. what i dislike tho are the ppl that keep whining about how the site "is going to the dogs" and then try to make it worse. strange that it comes from a guy that is in mrswith and evil geek's guild..if u got ur opinion from them then obviously it's not gonna be all positive as they would still be active on the site. (no disrespect here, i joined AMP guild the day EG left and Kanna became leader)
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| 05/02/08 09:35 |
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I don't know what to say to this, I mean I agree but I disagree at the same time. People don't behave very nicely but I think admins shy away from things such as religion, race etc far too easily :/ I mean that's just a short summary of some of the things. That doesn't make a good impression on others when their posts get edited just so it doesn't offend other people. Then again it will turn into a flame war, so the topic then should be moved into a flame section......not locked.......this ......"rant and rave" section? is a LAME section, seriously call it flame section let people really be able to let things out.
That's my opinion on things, but then again I'm probably "immature".........w/e
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| 05/02/08 11:43 |
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| QUOTE | | I think admins shy away from things such as religion, race etc far too easily :/ I mean that's just a short summary of some of the things. That doesn't make a good impression on others when their posts get edited just so it doesn't offend other people. |
i dont think admins shy away from it EASILY as i think they have cos of the society we live in today but it is pretty pathetic when people have to have their post's edited for voicing an opinion. not blaming the admins tho.
And tbh Mim i agree with you to a certain extent but im getting well bored with how everyone says "GA has gone down" deal with it...its a game site not real life O.O
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| 05/02/08 12:10 |
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