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Chrisworld
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Well Aeon's post got me thinking to another point. First of all im telling you thin right now im not trying to steal spotlight from Him or anyone by posting this and taking away attention from his post, Please that is not what im doing im just starting a completly different topic, please post in his thread too, its good to have your ideas out there.
So the question is...Taking Dropped Items, Fair Game or Aganst the EULA?
Say someone Drops 100k or a Really good Gold Item, a Black dye or Ecto. You take it, or vice versa, you drop it and someone takes it.
Technically I have heard that this is fair game and shame on the "dropper". So i want your ideas too, lets talk, don't get into a flame thread, DONT GO OFFTOPIC. Admins, i don't care if you gotta delete or lock it if it gets out of hand.
Now lets discuss this topic :)
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| 05/12/08 18:18 |
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Fair game.
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| 05/12/08 18:20 |
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CorruptNinja
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Ive never had it happen to me, but Id go with the other side and say 'Shame on the Dropper'. Its common sense if you drop a Rare Item or Weapon, someone isnt going to hesitate to think about snatching it. :)
Yes it's wrong, but you can't really get someone in trouble when you basically set it up. It's like rear ending a car in an accident, no matter what, it's your fault.
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| 05/12/08 18:22 |
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ValravenPalindrake
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I agree.. if you are stupid enough to drop 100k or a rare item, or any item for that matter and not expect someone to at least attempt to pick it up, then you deserve to lose it. You can call someone a scammer all you want, but when trying to report them, tell other people, the only response back from anyone, including ANET would be.. You dropped it. Guess you didn't want it.
I used to do that with Guildies while hfff'n to make it more interesting. We used to drop items and try to grab them before someone else got them. We all knew it was in fun and all items would go back to the owner, but we were all in agreement that if someone was stupid enough to drop a q9 non-insc crystaline sword, it's fair game to anyone. Me though, as I'd love to say I'd keep it and sell it, w/e.. I'd more than likely grab it to stop others and trade it back to the person. Even if it was a complete new player who didn't know the price, I would just PM them and see if it was a mistake or not and inform them if they were making a huge mistake.
I actually did that once. Some guy was cleaning out his inventory dropping items during a Sorrow's Furnace run, and he had gotten a purple crys sword from one of the free chests. At the time, they went anywhere from 50k-100k+. (Way before NF). I snatched it, as I was standing near him, and everyone else was hauling ass when they read the chat to see it dropped. I PM'd the guy asking if he meant to drop it, and if he actually knew the value of it. He didn't, so I traded it back to him. He PM'd me about 3 days later, and I met him in a town, and he traded me 10k for giving him the information. He wound up selling it for like 70k.
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| 05/12/08 18:45 |
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Aeon
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As seems to be the common consensus so far, I think that once its on the floor, it belongs to whoever picks it up first.
The main reasons I can think of for droppig stuff are as follows:
1) Accident.
If you drop something by accident, and have it stolen, it will teach you to be more careful where you click the mouse.
2) No more inventory space.
By choosing something to drop, you have decided that that item isn't as good as the 1 you want to pick up. If somebody wants your old item, there's no reason for them to not get it.
3) The "Dupe" Scam.
Being manipulated into dropping an item by a scammer saying he can dupe it is preying on one thing: Greed. Although both are morally dubious, I think you would sort of deserve having the item stolen - earn your stuff, don't take shortcuts.
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| 05/12/08 18:52 |
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I'd say it's not against the EULA.
It's also not against the EULA to pick it up then offer it back / ask if the person wants it back or not.
Whether you pick it up and run or not is up to your own cognizance. Personally I tend to... never mind, read the last line of my sig and figure it out.
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| 05/12/08 19:05 |
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| QUOTE | I'd say it's not against the EULA.
It's also not against the EULA to pick it up then offer it back / ask if the person wants it back or not.
Whether you pick it up and run or not is up to your own cognizance. Personally I tend to... never mind, read the last line of my sig and figure it out. |
Too bad you don't have a sig, eh?
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| 05/12/08 19:08 |
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| QUOTE | | Too bad you don't have a sig, eh? |
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| 05/12/08 19:11 |
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It can be fair while unfair.
If you and everyone in the group is alive and someones drop goes past the 10 minute limit, its fair game.. If you get a high-end drop, your dead and they refuse to rez you, then its unfair.
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| 05/12/08 19:23 |
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Chrisworld
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| QUOTE | It can be fair while unfair.
If you and everyone in the group is alive and someones drop goes past the 10 minute limit, its fair game.. If you get a high-end drop, your dead and they refuse to rez you, then its unfair. |
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| 05/12/08 19:47 |
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I say my view is this.
1: If you try to trick them into dropping something then it would be scamming.
2: If they drop it by accident or did not know the value of something then you being the "better person" should pick it up and give it back. Telling them to be more careful on dropping items you do not know the value of.
3: If items go past the 10 min limit. If it's a crap white/purple then pick it up. If it is a gold. At least offer to give it back. If it is a item you know will fetch 10k+ then again being the "better person" you should give it back and inform them to pick items up.
There are many reasons why someone did not pick up a item. Did not see it drop or could not get to it in time.
A lot of this is not the issue is it against the EULA or is it just shady. It is who is the better person. Yes, this is a game but think of it like this. Would you do this in real life? If someone dropped their wallet, would you go and pick it up and say HA MINE NOW FAIR GAME. Not really.
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| 05/12/08 19:56 |
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| QUOTE | I say my view is this.
1: If you try to trick them into dropping something then it would be scamming.
2: If they drop it by accident or did not know the value of something then you being the "better person" should pick it up and give it back. Telling them to be more careful on dropping items you do not know the value of.
3: If items go past the 10 min limit. If it's a crap white/purple then pick it up. If it is a gold. At least offer to give it back. If it is a item you know will fetch 10k+ then again being the "better person" you should give it back and inform them to pick items up.
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1) Can show it on trade option with out dropping it.
2)I still do not know how you drop something by addicent? You have to open up invintory, move mouse to item, then move item out of invintory. How many people can actually say they did all those steps by addicent?
3) Only time I would say to offer it back is if you know the person and obviously like them, unless the fight goes past the 10 min. It shows in the chat log that a gold dropped. What is someone disables the chat log you may ask. Well part of the game (PvE I am refering to) is getting drops. If the person leaves it I say "Fair game".
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| 05/12/08 20:10 |
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well i still don't like taking other peoples items because once someone dropped something valuable and i just gave it back. But i guess its up to the person if they are mean and greedy or nice and they are being the better person.
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| 05/12/08 20:31 |
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Mordakaida
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| QUOTE | 1) Can show it on trade option with out dropping it.
2)I still do not know how you drop something by addicent? You have to open up invintory, move mouse to item, then move item out of invintory. How many people can actually say they did all those steps by addicent?
3) Only time I would say to offer it back is if you know the person and obviously like them, unless the fight goes past the 10 min. It shows in the chat log that a gold dropped. What is someone disables the chat log you may ask. Well part of the game (PvE I am refering to) is getting drops. If the person leaves it I say "Fair game". |
1: It's called a trick for a reason. Scammers are good at their job. Just check out all the magician tricks on how they get the watches/wallets from people. We all laugh when they get their wallets back and deserve it for being gullible but it's called a scam for a reason.
2: There are times I grabbed the wrong item while putting it out of invy. Things happen and people should not be greedy instead of being honest.
3: I have missed golds dropping in chat before and did not know I even picked one up until I started to sell to merchant. I should of paid more attention but things happen. I may be more hesitant to offer a gold back to a person I have malice for but I am the better person remember?
To me.. PvE is about having fun with friends. Getting drops is good but being a honest upstanding person is a lot better then making gold. My friends know that when they are partied with me, they don't have to fear me taking items from them and even know I may give them my items. Because I am just nice like that.
It is not about who is right or who is wrong. It is about your personal conviction. If you don't want it done to you then don't do it to others. If you have to make up reasons why to get around why not then it's most likely not a good idea.
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| 05/12/08 20:40 |
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I agree with you...was just using your quote as a basis. Playing devils advicate if you will. I run around and drop items when we are out doing HM or what not. Just for others to pick up.....really does not matter to me. It is only a game and meant to be fun, so thats what I try to do:)
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| 05/12/08 20:51 |
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| QUOTE | It can be fair while unfair.
If you and everyone in the group is alive and someones drop goes past the 10 minute limit, its fair game.. If you get a high-end drop, your dead and they refuse to rez you, then its unfair. |
Totally agrees!
 Another thing i have to fix when i notice it tomorrow...
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| 05/13/08 02:46 |
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I say it is unfair unless the person whos drop it is says they don't want it. People occasionally drop an item to show it at once to all partymembers so they can read the req; stats etc. If someone runs over to pick it up and pretty much says: "nahnahnah its mine now!" it is, in my opinion, unfair and just lame. Fact is that those people immediately leave as well in 90% of the cases.
Also when someone is AFK the drop is theirs. Someone might have a phonecall, go to the toilet or any other RL intervention. We all have that. I have been in a team rhat started camping at an ecto dropped for someone who had an emergency phonecall (something in his family); how lame is it to camp near an ecto in order to get it? 6 people for crying out loud! Too bad for them i was the MM (was in the good ole ToPK days) and after telling them for 5 minutes "leave the ecto; it's his" i ragequitted. Back in those days minions were unlimited; best thing was to get a TY from the dude who was afk who saw the team lying dead and thus was able to get his ecto ;)
Point is; if something drops for a person; either he drops it himself to show it or because it is a drop while he/she is afk; just leave it and when they come back (when having been afk) tell them that it is their drop. In my opinion it is honest to do so. Stating; too bad 10 minutes are over is lame and childish in my opinion. Are you that desperate for that drop? Maybe in the time you have been camping at an item you could have had that same drop.
Only if someone says: i drop this item for one of you to take (or if someone is clearly clearing their inventory, but ask to be sure) then it is fair to pick it up. If someone says: "wow take a look at my drop!" then leave it and read the stats.
Honesty and some sense of fairness is the key concerning this subject. If you feel like 'stealing'; the person indeed dropped it and therefore can't do anything about it; you havent broke the EULA either; or at least not in a proveable way. But ask yourself: how would you feel when it happened to you?
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| 05/13/08 03:38 |
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Normally When some one drops somthing it means there inventory is full and there making space for that item by salavaging somthing or just dropping somthing useless AKA white item.Of course durring event if the person is AFK and there invetory is full and it turns fair game I will grab it.
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| 05/13/08 04:46 |
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